Can I just say it makes me sad...

I agree it's sad. I also agree plastic guns don't have that same allure as a classic revolver or semi auto. I have a few plastic guns and I can't imagine passing those down. My kids gravitate towards a nice revolver or traditional semi auto. There's just not the collectibility there for a Glock or any other modern plastic weapon.
 
When I retired from the Eff-Bee-Eye I gave my duty guns away, not seeing any point in waiting til I'm dead to do it. I made personalized cases for each gun and included a handwritten letter about each one and some of the adventures we had together.

My oldest gun nut son got my Sig P220. My youngest gun nut son got my Glock 27. My gun nut nephew (who's lived with us since his Dad died) got my 870.

My beloved purple-haired (this week!) liberal daughter got my Model 36. She cried when I gave it to her but asked if I would keep it in my safe for her. I get it - she's just not into guns. No problem.

Also - not everyone wants to remember their dear old Dad. The memory they may associate with that P&R Model 19 might be Mom getting her teeth loosened with it.
 

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My own father is knocking on 83 and has a modest collection of 20-30. He has taken the time to visit with each grand child and asked them if there is anything particular in his safe that they would like to have upon his passing. My siblings either have their own or are not gun people so he bypassed us and went right to the grand kids. My son being the wisest of the group said he would like to have the safe (nice Fort Knox). He has a decent start at 24yo, but no safe yet. He also piped up about an old civil war musket that has traveled down the family tree. Last I heard dad was on the fence with that one---either my son or a museum.

Beware of museums. Once you give them anything, there is no guarantee they will display it or even keep it. Especially in these troubled times, curators with an anti-gun bias tend to liquidate firearms in their collections.
 
I have (in my opinion) only a few guns compared to most here. I bought my daughter a shield that she shoots when I take her to the range. I've got one stepson (USAF) who will get my other guns when I go. He's not really interested in them but I hope his son (my two year old grandson) will want them when he grows up. I have a good friend who's dad passed and left so many guns that after they'd been picked through by the kids he still had three gun safe's worth. I know him well enough to know he'll never get rid of them while he lives and his kids are all hunters and gun nuts so the family collection is in good hands.
 
I am thinking about my collection. I have told my wife where to take them for a consignment sale, but I'd really rather give them to my relatives. Nobody is interested at all. My son was a history major in college, but a Civil War war musket or a Spencer carbine is not of interest to him. I finally got tired of asking my grandkids, nephews, nieces and any anybody else. So the valuable ones get sold, and the working ones get given to people who appreciate them. So far, I gave four 16 and 20 gauge pumps along cases of ammo to four young guys, grandsons of a friend. They had been shooting .410's on our dove field. Then I gave an Ithaca 37 to my friend to round out the family gifts. I met a young woman who was working with a dog trainer and was going duck hunting with a borrowed shotgun. She got the 870 Magnum with screw in chokes. I gave a .32 to a woman who was concerned for her safety. I plan to keep on doing this until I run out of guns or until I run out.
 
I have read this thread, reading along as it progresses, and I'll have to admit it changed my whole thought process with regards to the subject matter.

Initially, had I posted immediately to the OP, or at least had been one of the first responders, I would have agreed: Tragic indeed! But as the thread progressed, I realized that there is another side to the coin, and it's something I, and many of us, have used to our best advantage. Also, society/values change, lifestyle decisions often come into play, life, in general, is unpredictable, etc.

Before I progress, I am always willing to provide a good home to that antique or vintage Smith & Wesson revolver your kids detest, LOL!

First, it is probable that If you collect antique or vintage firearms, as I do, one or more pieces came from an heir who decided they didn't want their father's or grandfather's old gun. They had to have, and this is an OPPORTUNITY, to collect quality firearms. I know that two Smith & Wesson revolvers I have purchased recently were nice inherited revolvers, one being a 3rd Model Perfected Single Shot pistol that two sisters inherited upon their father's passing. They had no use for it and sold it. The second is a .44 DA Frontier which was once owned by a Connecticut U S Senator who passed away over 70 years ago now. His heirs just did not lead the same lifestyle he did, and thus had little interest in firearms. Attached are two photographs of that firearm. Also pictured is a photograph of a Colt Camp Perry pistol from the same collection. Both purchased at auction, as consigned by the heirs. The reality is, where would one find nice stuff such as these unless an heir somewhere decided they no longer wanted them? You would be limited to the same old recycled firearms, passed only from dealer to dealer, collector to collector, all originally obtained from the estate of someone with no heirs.. It would be the same stale inventory with no surprises! Even the good Senator obtained both of these firearms second hand as the ship location of the Smith & Wesson revolver was to a destination that suggests, but is by no means conclusive, that the senator was not the original owner. The Colt was shipped to a Colt employee. Perhaps purchased by the Senator, but not shipped directly to the Senator nor to, what I was hoping, a prominent individual who might have presented this to the Senator upon election to the Senate, as this revolver was brand new when the Senator was elected. This Senator and President Hoover were good friends and he even rented Hoover's private residence from him as Hoover had vacated it to move to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. No such luck...

Next, lifestyles change, life is unpredictable. The last two photographs depict a farm I wanted to buy earlier this year and a vintage butcher's wagon featured at the massive estate sale there. To me, the property was perfect, and full of neat items I appreciate, although no firearms. The owners were major collectors and the father even wrote the book on Pennsylvania fraktur, their history and design. They passed away, and the daughter sold everything. Well, there was so much there, she might have kept a few items, but not much. But, lifestyles change. When she showed me the house, I think she cherished the memories, but little else. Also, she had married and her job was not within commuting distance of the property. The butcher's wagon is neat, but I don't own it. That is illustrated to prove a point. I don't own it as I had nowhere to put it. Firearms are smaller, but your heirs might just lack anywhere to put them. I should also mention that property was perfect for me, based on where I work, etc., and what I value. The heir may not have valued this, or, if she did, where she worked made this prohibitive. My wife certainly didn't appreciate this property.

Folks go to university, just as I did, or go into the service, etc. Unless one lives near a major employer that is willing to hire at decent wages, one has to move, sometimes frequently, maybe renting from apartment complexes that aren't gun friendly. Even if they don't care, I'm sure the neighboring apartment dwellers will question why one keeps carrying into the apartment many long objects in cases repeatedly...

Personally, I thought I would never leave where I grew up. I went to the local university, got a fairly useless undergraduate degree that provided little else than the ability to think critically, and somehow expected to waltz into the door of some major corporation and earn the big bucks. This, despite there being no major, and few minor, employers in the area. I still haven't figured out how to telecommute now, so that wasn't an option then. Commuting 37 miles one way to a job with no benefits that paid 50 cents more than minimum wage forced me to make a lifestyle change really quickly!

In addition to that, colleges these days are so liberal, unless one sticks to their beliefs, after 4 years of that, one would come to the conclusion that all firearms are evil and should be banned. With such rhetoric, no wonder kids wouldn't appreciate dad's or granddad's old guns.

Lastly, folks just don't appreciate the past. That property sold with multiple offers for nearly 20% over the asking price, but that's because of the real estate market now. Even so, 75% if those who looked at it turned away really quickly because it was old, said it needed too much work. It was completely habitable inside, one bathroom was nearly new! But folks don't appreciate such things in a normal real estate market. They want new, New, NEW. Put up new houses in a development, watch them sell like hotcakes, even if there's little land and all components are cheaply produced in China. Meanwhile, that solid post and beam historic house with land sits on the market, often later razed to make way for several new homes.

So, in this lengthy post, a few take home messages. Folks may simply not appreciate what you do. It might be their values are different than yours, maybe society has caused this shift. Their lifestyles may be different, and maybe not by choice. And most individuals like new stuff, period!

But, like I said, this thread caused me to think differently about this whole concept. A tragedy for some, an opportunity for others!
 

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I have 5 children. Of the 5, 2 are boys. Of the boys I could see "maybe" they would want one of my guns as an inheritance to keep as a memory. The girls no interest what so ever.They would all take them l so they could sell them but have no idea what they are worth or there histories. I bought my 1st son a new Browning 20 gauge pump when he was born in 1985. I kept it in the box stored until he was old enough to hunt. But he never wanted to hunt. So when he was 18 I presented it to him anyway as his birthday heirloom from Pop. We went and shot it one or 2 times. When he is in his 30s he asks me if t's ok if he sells it? I was crushed of course. I had him sell it to me.
So about 2 years ago I decided that there was no gun that I was keeping for inheritance purposes. I would much rather sell them myself while I am alive and get a fair market value than have them or even my wife try to wholesale them off after I am dead.
You cannot tell make your family interested in what interests you.
 
I parted with my Dad's GP100, last week. I shot it several times, when we went hunting or to the range. I shot that gun better than he did, which meant something to me, because we were both so competitive, whether we were fishing, skiing, shooting, or debating politics. Whatever the "game", he usually won, but I could always outshoot him with that revolver.
He passed in April 2019, and I was tasked with distributing his weapons to the family. Nephew got the Ruger 77, 7mm Mag. BIL#1 ended up with the Browning A5, 12 gauge. I got the Beretta BL-3, Belgian A5 Light Twelve, Winchester 70, in .223, and the GP100. As much as I thought I had a sentimental attachment to that GP100, it made me feel all warm and fuzzy to send it off to sister #2. She and her husband are recent empty nesters, and starting to build a gun collection, and I hadn't shot that GP100, but twice, during my stewardship. She was thrilled that I offered it to her, and I know it's going to a good home.
I hope that my kids and my sisters' kids keep Dad's guns in the family. Hunting and shooting were some of my dad's favorite activities. They can do whatever they want with my other guns, but it would be nice if some of these classic Smiths stayed in the family, just because they are works of industrial art that will never be duplicated.
 
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Not to call you out jmace as others have posted similar things, but as a general question as I really don't understand it:

How does it happen that kids of a gun collector wind up being "anti-gun"? My kids shoot guns in my collection and the older ones have started getting their own- each of them has their faves, but all of them like guns and shooting.
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I wish I knew. I suspect part of it is that when my kids were growing up, we always lived in the middle of big cities, where actually going out and shooting was rare. I grew up with the opportunity of shooting with both grandparents owning ranches. I appreciate the history and the mechanics of the guns I collect. My kids now live in big, "liberal" cities and are married to "liberal" spouses. I've tried to have 2nd Amendment conversations, but haven't changed their minds.
 
I have 5 children. Of the 5, 2 are boys. Of the boys I could see "maybe" they would want one of my guns as an inheritance to keep as a memory. The girls no interest what so ever.They would all take them l so they could sell them but have no idea what they are worth or there histories. I bought my 1st son a new Browning 20 gauge pump when he was born in 1985. I kept it in the box stored until he was old enough to hunt. But he never wanted to hunt. So when he was 18 I presented it to him anyway as his birthday heirloom from Pop. We went and shot it one or 2 times. When he is in his 30s he asks me if t's ok if he sells it? I was crushed of course. I had him sell it to me.
So about 2 years ago I decided that there was no gun that I was keeping for inheritance purposes. I would much rather sell them myself while I am alive and get a fair market value than have them or even my wife try to wholesale them off after I am dead.
You cannot tell make your family interested in what interests you.

I had a Walther PP my Dad captured from a German officer during WW2. While my son appreciated the historic nature of it, it would not have surprised me that he would have taken it to a gun "buyback" if I had given it to him. I gave it to my nephew and know he will keep it forever and give to his son when the time comes.
 
Thats unfortunate, but in some level I can understand and disagree, anybody who knows me in here knows I buy and sell how I feel, some things I'm happy with some things I'm not.... why am I saying that? Some people get in a hard way need the cash, some people just don't know, some just don't care.... I have my fathers Python (bought it from him) the one that started it all, he used it on duty his first couple of years in MICHIGAN, but it means the world to me and ill keep it until I can pass it to my Boy.. really its the only on that matters to me just because its sentimental to me...
 
I wish I knew. I suspect part of it is that when my kids were growing up, we always lived in the middle of big cities, where actually going out and shooting was rare. I grew up with the opportunity of shooting with both grandparents owning ranches. I appreciate the history and the mechanics of the guns I collect. My kids now live in big, "liberal" cities and are married to "liberal" spouses. I've tried to have 2nd Amendment conversations, but haven't changed their minds.

That's just it. The problem is in order to succeed financially, unless one is the entrepreneurial sort, one has to go to college. Most professors are out of touch with reality. If one is not brainwashed during four years of college, there is a strong chance that their spouse might be. And, the good jobs are in the cities, even during the Coronavirus times, and cities do not reflect a hunting culture, a rural way of life, for obvious reasons. And one's colleagues are a product of that brainwashing as well, and so it is a very anti-firearm culture in the cities and suburbs. The big question is how did academia become so liberal, and how did the cities as well? My in-laws have never owned firearms and they have more conservative values. Moderates, but support Trump. One of my wife's sisters is so liberal, and met a like minded spouse, that some of the stuff that comes out of their mouth, you wonder if they are serious about it all. They are a reflection of the direction society is going.
 
I would much rather sell them myself while I am alive and get a fair market value than have them or even my wife try to wholesale them off after I am dead.

That's definitely the way to plan, for estate purposes. Again, if you had brought up this topic a few years ago, I would have said absolutely not, but most heirs these days view an inheritance as a burden. They would probably just have the cash. Besides, you know your firearms better than anybody. You can probably get a better return on your investment selling them than your heirs could, wholesaling them out.

I see no future in "brown" vintage guns. The few left who even will be interested in firearms in the next half century or so will have lots to pick from, so they can focus only on guns with condition, and pay diminished prices on those due to too much supply and little demand.

It's just for that reason alone that I am thinking of parting with an antique firearm that I appreciate, but has little upside over the long term. It is definitely a "brown" gun, which is unusual as most of my antique firearms have condition, to some degree. I don't want to part with it, but as I see little appreciation, if any, in the short term, and probably little interest (hence, decreasing value) in the long term, it's probably time to let it go.

An auctioneer I discussed this with stated that Civil War stuff is really starting to reflect the change in values, much less interest recently. The firearm I have is a lever action Winchester, mid 1880's.
 
And if you sell them yourself and turn it into cash, you can pass that cash to your heirs without estate tax, if you pass it as folding money while you are still living.
 
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When a new member describes a gun inherited from a father and asks what it's worth so he can sell it? My dad had a small number of firearms and died when I was very young. Mom had to sell the guns so we could eat. All I have are some old photos in an album of him hunting with a Winchester Model 12 and plinking with a 1G Colt SAA. I would give anything to have just one of his guns. It breaks my heart to see guys so absolutely disinterested in keeping their dads' guns.

Oh well. I guess everyone has his own priorities.
I was very fortunate to inherit part of dad's collection. I will never sell them. Ever
 
I have about 300 guns in the collection right now and only one kid. What the hell is she going to do with them all? At some point they become a burden.

Family mementoes and junk are two different things. My mother's collection of little terracotta houses hanging on the wall is junk. As is my collection of police uniform patches.

I hope my kid is able to cash out on my stuff and enjoy life. If she wants to keep a few, fine. Like her Great Grandfather's Model 64 snubnose or her Grandfather's retirement GLOCK 19, or maybe her Mom's AR-15 or my Model 342Ti that I carry all the time off duty.

But honestly.... it is the memories that are worth something. Not the item itself. Out of all my Grandfather's stuff, I kept his ashtray, watch, and gun. Every else went by the wayside to other family members or my Grandmother cashed out on its value.
 
I wish I knew. I suspect part of it is that when my kids were growing up, we always lived in the middle of big cities, where actually going out and shooting was rare. I grew up with the opportunity of shooting with both grandparents owning ranches. I appreciate the history and the mechanics of the guns I collect. My kids now live in big, "liberal" cities and are married to "liberal" spouses. I've tried to have 2nd Amendment conversations, but haven't changed their minds.

Meh, I grew up in Miami. Went shooting all the time. And Miami is nothing but a concrete jungle. Again, had no problem growing up shooting and hunting.
 
First, it is probable that If you collect antique or vintage firearms, as I do, one or more pieces came from an heir who decided they didn't want their father's or grandfather's old gun. They had to have, and this is an OPPORTUNITY, to collect quality firearms.

I popped into this thread to say just this.

I would add that I feel it important to try to grab as much information about the past owners as possible, and try to do so on all my guns as I have the time and bandwidth to do it. Even if their families don't appreciate the guns, the guns can sometimes tell those outside the family who the owners were. I feel like with the really good guns this is a big part of the fun.


They can do whatever they want with my other guns, but it would be nice if some of these classic Smiths stayed in the family, just because they are works of industrial art that will never be duplicated.

Industrial Design is appreciated, and I think will become more appreciated as time moves forward.

My plan is to amass a collection of guns that are beautiful pieces of industrial design, coupled with artisan level craftsmanship in after market grips (where the originals are lost), and all the history I can attach to them.

If my child(ren hopefully) is/aren't interested in the guns themselves, nor the history, nor the artistry, then so be it, I intend the auction of my collection to be a good one.

Between the craftsmanship of S&W, and amazing nature of the SWHF, I feel like the majority of my collection will likely always be S&Ws along with accessories. But back to mrcvs' point; without others being uninterested in their family's guns, I'd never have the opportunity. So if the time comes and my kids are more interested in other things, I'll do my best to remember this and not be sad about it.
 
And another...
I have another neighbor who grew up in the Pacific Northwest, his father was a game warden/Ranger in that area. As a boy he learned to shoot with an old model 12 Remington pump .22. I didn't know any of this until a few years ago when he had to return to his father's home and deal with the estate. He gave most of his dads stuff to a couple of uncles but brought the model 12 home with him. He asked me to come over and look at a few things he brought back and ended up giving me a couple of knives from his dad's stuff. This neighbor does not hunt/fish/hike or otherwise spend time outdoors other than walking his dogs. We have always joined him on Sunday mornings for a long dog walk with his and ours. He mentioned this old rifle he had brought and showed it to me. He related learning to shoot it as a boy. But otherwise had little interest in it. I mentioned I liked it and that if he wanted he could go shoot it sometime when we were going out. He said he'd think about that. About 6 months later he called and said that since I helped them out by plowing their driveway when it snowed he thought I should just have the 22. I meant nothing to him despite it's history. So now it resides with me and my other vintage 22s. I'm glad to have it but it struck me as odd that it meant so little to him. Here it is at the bottom of the picture. Other than the Nylon 66 I bought at a gun shop in the '70s all these 22s have similar stories.
 

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