Canadian Gun Laws

[biku324]

No amount of jawboning can erase the fact that Canada has less crime, and far less of severe crimes, than does the US - not equal by rate, not by volume. Canadian data is easily available online. Cross-border crime on our northern border is insignificant in comparison to our Southwest land border.

Back when I ran the NMSP Districts that encompassed the entirety of the US/Mexico border from Monument 0 to Monument 72 (2.5 miles between each or all of NM international border), I served on the HIDTA Board and developed good relationships with Border Patrol and Customs Enforcement command staff. One of my best friends took a promotion to go home to Swsnton, Vermont, the busiest US/Canadian border sector. He transferred back to El Paso after a year because he couldn't take the boredom after years in our 'quiet' NM border region.

Again, I've worked with and employed (routinely excellent) Canuck LE for a number of specialized Counter-Terrorism international police development projects on a number of continents. There is simply no equality in rates and severity of crimes, especially violent crimes, between us and Canada. There never has been.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Oh, don't get us (here in Canada) started ....! They haven't been working worth squat since Bill 68 (the revision of the Firearms Act in the mid 90's) was introduced, supposedly as a reaction to the massacre/shooting of several women at the Ecole Polytechnic in Montréal in 1989. And after an even worse shooting, the worst in Canadian history in Portapique NB a few years ago, committed by a crazy who was not licenced and smuggled his guns in from the US, all "they" did was ban a large number of "assault-style weapons" none of which he had AFAIK.

These shootings "are not very common" here largely because we have a smaller population, but it's growing. Just yesterday I read of a carjacking by armed thugs in a community just outside greater Vancouver (BC). A house where a known criminal is said to live 2 blocks from me got at at 3am a few weeks ago. The REAL criminals are having a field day. As we all know, they can get any gun they want. The would-be criminals - legal gin owners like me - are getting screwed.

A couple of years ago I saw pics of some guns taken from actual criminals: 2 Glocks with short barrels (< the civilian 105mm- about 4.15" - limit), with 27-round drum mags. (prohib. here) a Ruger SR9 - just like mine except with a standard 17 round mag.(We're limited to 10, like some US jurisdictions), suppressor (never been legal here) and a Sterling MG. We haven't been allowed full auto since the late 70's. NONE of these was acquired legally in Canada; they must all have been smuggled in from the US.

We used to have somewhat reasonable gun laws (admittedly maybe not to your standards) but they have gone from bad to worse in the last 25 years.

Someone asked about Lugers. Well, ALL selling/transfer of handguns is currently frozen, so it's a moot point, but aside from the barrel length (4" being just "conveniently" under the 105mm limit) they were legal if rebarrelled. As such they were in the Restricted category. Anything less than 105mm is in the Prohibited category (12.5 I think) as per Bill C-68, which at the time meant that if you owned something in that Category, you were allowed to keep it but it had to be re-registered.

Grrrrrr....... All this is putting my BP up so I'll stop now, before it really ruins my day. It also impinges on politics, which is verboten here.

Not sure I understand all this, but if you shoot a criminal (in the act) with a 5" barrel, it's OK, but a 4" it's not? Do they measure revolver barrels like the Feds do here, or like the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts does, including the chamber?

Does this barrel-length restriction apply only to law-abiding citizens, or even to criminals?

If not to criminals, at what point must the citizen commit a crime in order to obtain his exemption? Can the qualifying crime be committed after the actual use of the firearm?

Enquiring minds want to know.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

No amount of jawboning can erase the fact that Canada has less crime, and far less of severe crimes, than does the US - not equal by rate, not by volume. Canadian data is easily available online. Cross-border crime on our northern border is insignificant in comparison to our Southwest land border.

Back when I ran the NMSP Districts that encompassed the entirety of the US/Mexico border from Monument 0 to Monument 72 (2.5 miles between each or all of NM international border), I served on the HIDTA Board and developed good relationships with Border Patrol and Customs Enforcement command staff. One of my best friends took a promotion to go home to Swsnton, Vermont, the busiest US/Canadian border sector. He transferred back to El Paso after a year because he couldn't take the boredom after years in our 'quiet' NM border region.

Again, I've worked with and employed (routinely excellent) Canuck LE for a number of specialized Counter-Terrorism international police development projects on a number of continents. There is simply no equality in rates and severity of crimes, especially violent crimes, between us and Canada. There never has been.

There is a well-known difference between Canada and the United States, and it has little or no relation to firearms. It is subject to various interpretations, but it will not appear in a discussion on this forum. I'm pretty sure that that is a GOOD thing, but it does not negate the fact that firearms laws are NOT the cause of the difference between crime rates of Canada and the US of A.

 

[johngalt]

Obviously fake news. Crime isn't possible with strict gun laws.

 

[biku324]

There is a well-known difference between Canada and the United States, and it has little or no relation to firearms. It is subject to various interpretations, but it will not appear in a discussion on this forum. I'm pretty sure that that is a GOOD thing, but it does not negate the fact that firearms laws are NOT the cause of the difference between crime rates of Canada and the US of A.

Exactly. Canadians have a different world view; their laws reflect Commonwealth traditions and their less violent country.

Gun laws are only one of many, many much more important variables of crime causation.

 

[Kevin G]

The biggest heist ever attempted in Canadian history was when the city of Toronto, Ed Rodgers, and Jon Bonjovi ( not Canadian but definitely a traitor ) conspired with Rogers Communications to try and steal the Buffalo Bills and move them to Toronto.

I thought it was the Maple Syrup Heist, although not attempted but successful.
Kevin G


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[dockmurgw]

The biggest heist ever attempted in Canadian history was when the city of Toronto, Ed Rodgers, and Jon Bonjovi ( not Canadian but definitely a traitor ) conspired with Rogers Communications to try and steal the Buffalo Bills and move them to Toronto.

The biggest heist ever completed was the Whalers move to North Carolina...as if they know anything about hockey in North Carolina. Makes me hurl every time I think about it.

 

[dockmurgw]

I thought it was the Maple Syrup Heist, although not attempted but successful.
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They repackaged that Québécoise swill as VT Syrup and tried to pass it off as quality syrup to unsuspecting consumers.

Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist - Wikipedia

 

[biku324]

Sticky situation for international relations.