Canadian Gun Laws

I live in a NY border town. When I was actively involved in Bullseye matches, there were many Ontario clubs that came over and participated in matches. Also, our NY clubs reciprocated and went over there. When ON basically eliminated handguns, our comradery ended.

My inlaws were Canadian, but with dual citizenship and living in the USA. As citizens, they got their "free health care". If they needed something they came to a USA hospital because they wanted to survive.

Our border waters have an imaginary USA/CDN line down the middle. It's not like there is a stripe down the middle. If you are caught in CDN waters without a license, or if your catch exceeds the limit, they confiscate your boat and put it up for auction. In the USAS they only give you a ticket.

I'm on the fence about a 51st state. On one hand maybe it would be an improvement. Anywhoot, I think I'll stick to USA territorial waters and call it a day.
 
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I live in a NY border town. When I was actively involved in Bullseye matches, there were many Ontario clubs that came over and participated in matches. Also, our NY clubs reciprocated and went over there. When ON basically eliminated handguns, our comradery ended.

My inlaws were Canadian, but with dual citizenship and living in the USA. As citizens, they got their "free health care". If they needed something they came to a USA hospital because they wanted to survive.

Our border waters have an imaginary USA/CDN line down the middle. It's not like there is a stripe down the middle. If you are caught in CDN waters without a license, or if your catch exceeds the limit, they confiscate your boat and put it up for auction. In the USAS they only give you a ticket.

I'm on the fence about a 51st state. On one hand maybe it would be an improvement. Anywhoot, I think I'll stick to USA territorial waters and call it a day.

Jim my good friend, and hunting buddy lived in Ft Erie till last yr when he moved up north permanently to his lake house near N Bay. He comes down every yr for deer opener. He got to the point where he just borrows one of my rifles. Bringing his gun into the states was not a problem with the correct paperwork. It was a bigger hassle for him to return to HIS country with HIS gun than to bring it into the states.
 
Hard for us Americans to throw stones at Canadian laws. Canadian homicide rates (incidents per 100,000 population) are far lower and crime rates generally are lower than are ours.

So, I deal with Canadians and their criminality A LOT with my job… Canada is not any safer due to those laws. They aren't any safer due to a lot of reasons… to include their "open borders."

There are crimes that make aliens (just got the approval that we can start using that word again… even though it is actually in US law) inadmissible to the US. I'm broad stroking it, but stuff that is morally wrong (theft, fraud, murder, anything involving sex) or drugs are the main things we see.

I've seen pretty much everything in the past couple of years; still creeps with child porn on both sides of the border. I had a guy who was a watered down version of Bernie Madoff that I sent back (not the same scale, but destroyed plenty of people's lives in fraud schemes). I personally don't look at statistics on either side, being they can be skewed in whichever way someone wants… but I can clearly see that Canada isn't the shining beacon that some make it out to be. Big thing with the US, I'm not losing my property in the way that Canadians have.

I started working my job a little before that NS shooting happened, which Trudeau used to push his gun control. Handgun ownership was cut… people still have them, but they cannot be transferred. If someone has to give them up for whatever reason, let's say due to a messy divorce, the government will not give the party back their handguns.

Are handguns no longer floating around Canada? Nope… and we do see some still cross thru from time to time (approved ATF paperwork… good as long as other stipulations are met). I don't see the guy anymore who had a $8,000 race gun, and competes when he goes down to FL, but there is a guy with a German jeep that also brings in a Walther PP and MG34 for shows (I'm unsure if the MG is deactivated or a semi-auto clone… one of the two).

I had a Canadian LEO argue that he was covered under Constitutional Carry when he goes down to train at SIG… told him he may be allowed to attend the training, but there is nothing in the US Constitution that allows a foreign armed agent to carry/have any LE power in my country; if he wants to be an off-duty LEO… stay in Canada. Small world that it is, I've seen that specific person directly noted in the NS shooting investigation.

Prior to the ban going into effect, some people bought a bunch of guns… similar to the CO magazine ban where Magpul flooded the market. I know of one alien that I interacted with who had a bunch of firearms that were purchased just prior to, and we stopped him from coming in and buying a bunch of gun parts. My investigation into it showed me a little angle of Canadian gun culture… to include the questionable edges of gun culture over that that are similar to the questionable edges over here. To a point, I sympathize for them being in that boat… until it gets to where they are knowingly breaking our laws. Canada laws… I leave that for the Canadians to worry about.

I've dealt with some pretty dangerous people from that side of the border. The area I am neighboring… I'd say pull the Carolinas and then SW chunk of the US… mix the criminal element together… and that is what I see for their criminal element. There are outlaw motorcycle gangs, drugs and guns. I refused one guy who had pending charges in Canada for firearms trafficking… among a few other things. Again, the investigation showed some **** firearm violations (cutting down break action .410s into pistols) up to some serious stuff (decently made suppressors). I've seen the business dealings of the same individual and organized crime that Canada got help with due to our refusal and notifying them we had some dangerous people on the way back.

I am on good terms with a few of my Canadian counterparts. I also do the active shooter policy for my work in the area. With my time here, I can put a check mark up for both countries when I was alerted of a potential school incident. The US side, was prior to my current role, but we responded. The Canadian side, I took as much of a description that was given… and had our officers on the lookout for someone potentially trying to make a run out of the country. Both incidents turned out to not be to that level… just a student that made some questionable comments and school officials made a few calls to make sure nothing went down the wrong path. But the threat over there isn't any less than it is in the US.

I've talked about the NS shooting… we had the Lewiston shooting a little over a year ago. Issues in both countries allowed deaths on both sides of the border. Would Canadian laws have stopped Lewiston? Nope. Would the stupid 72-hour waiting period that is currently instituted in ME stopped Lewiston? Definitely not… and would have hampered people from getting a firearm during the time it took LE to find the shooter's body, which was not found for about 48 hours.

The one thing I am happy about being on this side of the border is if I'm responding to an incident, at least I potentially could have good people with guns making a difference when I'm still getting out of my truck. Canada… that sort of is frowned upon, even if talking about LEOs.
 
...Bringing his gun into the states was not a problem with the correct paperwork. It was a bigger hassle for him to return to HIS country with HIS gun than to bring it into the states.
Ridiculous, but I don't doubt it for a second. OTOH, last year I ordered a replacement extractor for my Ruger SR45 from Numrich (after checking that to do so was legit) and had it sent to my gf's place in Bellingham. When I came to Canadian Customs I explained what I had, that it was a replacement part for a pistol I legally owned and said, "I have my Restricted Permit and the Registration for the pistol with me." The agent in the booth said, "Can I see it?" (the part). I handed it to her, stapled to the invoice, and she said, "OK", and waved me through without checking any paperwork.
 
Joe and Jane are less far likely to be victims of violent crime in Canada than in the good 'Ole USA. That's unimpeachable fact.

So; I've worked with Canandian LEOs as part of Five Eyes CT capacity building in SE Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and SE Europe since 2014 until last December. We shared levels of policing nethods, casework comparisons, and how (and by whom) data is gathered. Let's not pretend there is any close comparison between violent street crime, organized crime, and TOC between the US and Canada. They have serious problems, to be sure, but not at all of the national scope and severity we have. Same-same UK, Australia, and New Zealand.
 
Ridiculous, but I don't doubt it for a second. OTOH, last year I ordered a replacement extractor for my Ruger SR45 from Numrich (after checking that to do so was legit) and had it sent to my gf's place in Bellingham. When I came to Canadian Customs I explained what I had, that it was a replacement part for a pistol I legally owned and said, "I have my Restricted Permit and the Registration for the pistol with me." The agent in the booth said, "Can I see it?" (the part). I handed it to her, stapled to the invoice, and she said, "OK", and waved me through without checking any paperwork.

I went on a once-in-a-lifetime grizzly hunt in Canada several years ago. I was hassled and screwed around on the US side at Sweetgrass / Coutts Border Crossing. Canucks on the other side were unconcerned - I told up front what I was doing, they took a look at my hunt booking, then started talking best calibers.

Coming back after the hunt was a pain in the posterior at Roosville, MT Checkpoint. They didn't like the firearms reimportation paperwork that Coutts-Sweetgrass POE had me do their way.

Not sure why it's fashionable to bad mouth our best, most trouble-free neighbor.
 
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How much fentanyl is seized at US borders each month? | USAFacts

yeah, trouble free. Nothing says love thy neighbor like sending them drugs and illegal aliens
Well, according to that same report, most of it doesn't come from us! So yes, we are relatively "trouble free."

...Although there are legal ports of entry throughout the US, fentanyl is primarily trafficked across the southwest border, with 88% of it passing through official southwest ports of entry...

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But there is no question that we DO have a drug lab problem. Last fall the RCMP busted the biggest fentanyl lab in Canadian history, in the interior of BC.

"...The combined fentanyl and precursors seized at this facility could have amounted to over 95,500,000 potentially lethal doses of fentanyl, which have been prevented from entering our communities, or exported abroad..."
 

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Looking in from the outside, recent changes in Canadians opinions of the direction their leadership has been taking them may indicate a re-thinking and maybe slow reversal of some of the more onerous firearms restrictions?

Larry
 
Joe and Jane are less far likely to be victims of violent crime in Canada than in the good 'Ole USA. That's unimpeachable fact.

Really? Because I deal with Joes and Janes from Canada daily. Same concerns up there as down here.

I didn't put the example of the traffickers or other groups because it is the norm, but because it is just as common there as it is, here.

I'm in northern ME. Meth problem is strong here, and it is pretty identical in NB. I get the intel reports and all the other stuff that talks about what organizations are moving into Canada, but most of my experience comes from talking to people. RCMP… not only do we talk when they come over (gas is A LOT cheaper over here), but I have some who I'm waiting to refuse because of pending charges. I hear about the people who are scared that the meth-heads are going to break into their houses. I know the one off crazies that decide to get in their car and drive the wrong way on the TransCanada… running multiple people off the road. Stuff happens up there just the same… only people add an "eh" at the end of the sentence.

I'm about 5 hours away from Halifax and about the same from Quebec City, so it is more of a unique subset of Canada… as most other populations are nearer big cities. Deal a lot with truckers, who tell me they have the same concerns about unloading in Trenton, NJ as they do in London, ON.

Then, I'll also say… what exactly are we calling a violent crime? And when you look at statistics (another reason I don't like using them), are both countries calling the same crimes "violent?" I think assault, murder and rape are easily distinguished as violent crimes. Robbery? I've seen some places say if a weapon isn't presented, not violent. If scumbag grabs Granny Appleseed's bag and shoves her on the ground… I'd say that was violent. But again, some places don't count that… whether they are trying to keep their area viewed as "safe" or they legitimately don't want to expend more resources, that are already spread thin, to investigate a less violent crime.

Read your own source. 16,401 pounds of fentanyl came through the Southwestern Land Border, 326 from our coasts or interior, and (wait for it) 40 pounds across the longest land border in North America.

How much fentanyl is seized at US borders each month? | USAFacts

Just wanted to touch on this…

My office actually got a decent amount of that 40 pounds. What if I told you that the US really only tends to find stuff that is legitimately entering the US… or if someone makes a wrong turn?

Fentanyl isn't being made or smuggled into Canada to be smuggled into the US. I am sure that there is a drug flow from the US into Canada… supply and demand. Money would be what comes back from Canada. From past arrests and seizures, there doesn't seem to be a northern transportation route along I-95 into Canada (likely not enough market to justify it, when it can be transported via Canada).

Now, when you travel up I-95… after Bangor, ME… it is like driving 2 hours thru the cornfields in the Plains. Boring as hell! And when you get to the last town (Houlton), it becomes Canada really fast. Like to the point that the government put a huge sign up that says "last exit before Canadian Customs."

Do you know how many people we get that either spin around prior to Canada Customs, spin around on the highway (go the wrong way) or stop/freak out because they don't know what to do? Way too many! When you get into those numbers, just by odds, you'll get people doing illegal stuff.

I know the bigger cities have similar issues. There is actually a Supreme Court decision that shows even if someone doesn't mean to go to Canada, if they get past a point that someone could not turn off and still have nexus with the border… CBP has border search authority (we search without warrant or permission; found to be covered by the 4th Amendment). Again broad strokes, but this is the same authority that every person, vehicle or package entering this country is subject to search and/or seizure. It is actually very fun to listen to people argue that we don't have that authority, which we give them a comment card and let a manager talk to them as we do our job.

So, I'm not saying that 40 pounds seized on the northern border is not correct… but it is due to a very different situation than cross border trafficking.
 
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The biggest heist ever attempted in Canadian history was when the city of Toronto, Ed Rodgers, and Jon Bonjovi ( not Canadian but definitely a traitor ) conspired with Rogers Communications to try and steal the Buffalo Bills and move them to Toronto.
 
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