Canadian Gun Laws

[8shot]

Looks like their gun laws aren't working,
23 people arrested. 16 illegal firearms recovered. Over 100 shots fired. 105 charges laid. 8 suspects were out on bail when they were arrested. Some have already been released again.

Link:

14 new arrests made in wake of brazen Queen West shootout | CBC News

 

[venomballistics]

watched the vid .... It's become ones civic duty to 3D print a Glock

 

[glowe]

Proves the old statement about excessive gun laws, only the criminals have guns!!!!!!

 

[StillStanding]

Regarding Canadian gun laws, what are the laws regarding Lugers ?
Thanks

 

[dockmurgw]

8 suspects were out on bail when they were arrested. Some have already been released again.

They're just adopting our policies...preparing to become the 51st state.

 

[Empe]

Canadian gun laws not working ? Well I don't know about that, but I do know that shootings of this type while increasing are still not very common in Canada .
Unfortunately here in the USA they occur on a pretty regular basis.

 

[Jeff423]

An incident like this probably wouldn't make it to page 3 here.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

watched the vid .... It's become ones civic duty to 3D print a Glock

Somebody have the program they could lend out for a week??? Asking for a friend.

 

[oldbrownhat]

Canadian gun laws not working ? Well I don't know about that, but I do know that shootings of this type while increasing are still not very common in Canada .
Unfortunately here in the USA they occur on a pretty regular basis.

Oh, don't get us (here in Canada) started ....! They haven't been working worth squat since Bill 68 (the revision of the Firearms Act in the mid 90's) was introduced, supposedly as a reaction to the massacre/shooting of several women at the Ecole Polytechnic in Montréal in 1989. And after an even worse shooting, the worst in Canadian history in Portapique NB a few years ago, committed by a crazy who was not licenced and smuggled his guns in from the US, all "they" did was ban a large number of "assault-style weapons" none of which he had AFAIK.

These shootings "are not very common" here largely because we have a smaller population, but it's growing. Just yesterday I read of a carjacking by armed thugs in a community just outside greater Vancouver (BC). A house where a known criminal is said to live 2 blocks from me got at at 3am a few weeks ago. The REAL criminals are having a field day. As we all know, they can get any gun they want. The would-be criminals - legal gin owners like me - are getting screwed.

A couple of years ago I saw pics of some guns taken from actual criminals: 2 Glocks with short barrels (< the civilian 105mm- about 4.15" - limit), with 27-round drum mags. (prohib. here) a Ruger SR9 - just like mine except with a standard 17 round mag.(We're limited to 10, like some US jurisdictions), suppressor (never been legal here) and a Sterling MG. We haven't been allowed full auto since the late 70's. NONE of these was acquired legally in Canada; they must all have been smuggled in from the US.

We used to have somewhat reasonable gun laws (admittedly maybe not to your standards) but they have gone from bad to worse in the last 25 years.

Someone asked about Lugers. Well, ALL selling/transfer of handguns is currently frozen, so it's a moot point, but aside from the barrel length (4" being just "conveniently" under the 105mm limit) they were legal if rebarrelled. As such they were in the Restricted category. Anything less than 105mm is in the Prohibited category (12.5 I think) as per Bill C-68, which at the time meant that if you owned something in that Category, you were allowed to keep it but it had to be re-registered.

Grrrrrr....... All this is putting my BP up so I'll stop now, before it really ruins my day. It also impinges on politics, which is verboten here.

 

[Bald1]

Canadian gun laws not working ? Well I don't know about that, but I do know that shootings of this type while increasing are still not very common in Canada .
Unfortunately here in the USA they occur on a pretty regular basis.

It's not the guns. It's the Gangsta mentality in the US. Canada has a much smaller population than us. Way fewer big cities where these things tend to occur. I'd be willing to bet Chicago has more gun violence than Canada as a whole.

 

[SMSgt]

Canadian gun laws not working ? Well I don't know about that, but I do know that shootings of this type while increasing are still not very common in Canada .
Unfortunately here in the USA they occur on a pretty regular basis.

They don't occur as often because it's too cold to go out and do something stupid.

 

[biku324]

Canadian gun laws not working ? Well I don't know about that, but I do know that shootings of this type while increasing are still not very common in Canada .
Unfortunately here in the USA they occur on a pretty regular basis.

Hard for us Americans to throw stones at Canadian laws. Canadian homicide rates (incidents per 100,000 population) are far lower and crime rates generally are lower than are ours.

 

[wood714]

I'd not live in a area where the police tell you to leave your car keys outside your front door to keep thieves from breaking into your home to get them.


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[Rob613]

Hard for us Americans to throw stones at Canadian laws. Canadian homicide rates (incidents per 100,000 population) are far lower and crime rates generally are lower than are ours.

Canada's violent crime rate has grown by 44% the last ten years, compared to 5% in the US. Violent crime is now worse in Canada than it is in the US, wonder why?

 

[Screwball]

And after an even worse shooting, the worst in Canadian history in Portapique NB a few years ago, committed by a crazy who was not licenced and smuggled his guns in from the US, all "they" did was ban a large number of "assault-style weapons" none of which he had AFAIK.

This was the guy who dressed up as a RCMP officer, had a fully marked RCMP replica car, shot and set fire to multiple neighbors… and then started driving around, shooting people at random. Some he drove to their homes, others he pulled over and a few he just rolled down the window and fired. Injured one RCMP, killed another… then was taken down by a tactical unit at a gas station (stopped to fuel up, and noticed the guy acting odd).

Wortman was not licensed and likely was crazy… that is correct.

Five guns were in his possession; Ruger Mini-14, Colt 6920 (I believe that model), Glock 23, Ruger P89 and S&W 5946. The S&W was the RCMP Constable's, who he murdered prior to being caught/killed.

The Mini-14 was acquired in an estate sale, IN Canada.

The Colt was picked up at a local US gun show (Houlton, ME), and Wortman acquired it afterwards (changed two or three hands between the show and Wortman getting it). I actually wanted to go to that gun show, but was in the academy for the new job I was starting when it happened.

Both pistols that he possessed prior to the shooting were sourced in the US; one possibly "stolen" and the other "loaned."

I'm aware of this mainly because I was sitting on the border, talking to RCMP the morning this was ending up. He neglected to mention any of it to me. Went back to our office, and was told what happened… and the supervisor was going to run another guy and M4 out to me, but suspect was dead before he left.

It is actually more of a CBSA problem than a US/CBP problem, even though he could have been charged for illegal export if we were aware of it. But end of the day, people who want guns will get guns… to include the criminals and crazies.

But just wanted to get the right info out regarding that event…

 

[biku324]

Violent crime is now worse in Canada than it is in the US, wonder why?

No. That is not true. Not even close. Canada and United States homicide rate 2023 | Statista

"Crime in general has declined in Canada since 2000 with the 2023 crime rate being around 25 percent lower than peak levels in 2003. When compared to the early 2000s, the severity of crimes committed has also been on the decline, according to the Crime Severity Index (CSI) which tracks crimes committed weighted by their seriousness. The rate of drug-related crime increased slightly over this period but began steadily dropping since 2011. The recent legalization of recreational marijuana in Canada is predicted to further decrease such offenses. The territories with some of the highest violent crime rates include Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and Yukon, all of which have violent and property crime rates multiple times higher than the national average."

 

[oldbrownhat]

I'd not live in a area where the police tell you to leave your car keys outside your front door to keep thieves from breaking into your home to get them.

You DID have to post that, didn't you? There goies my BP again. When I read that back when it was new, it really made my blood boil. What a load of utter twaddle.

As to "Violent crime is now worse in Canada than it is in the US", well proportionally perhaps so, as those figures show, but overall the average Canadian is probably still "somewhat" safer than many in the US. But it IS getting worse, without a doubt. I was just now reading our local paper and saw this:

...Police say the driver of a black 2008 Honda Accord had arrived at home when a man walked up to him, threatened to bear spray him, took his keys, and stole his car. The victim was uninjured...
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Bear spray is becoming the weapon of choice for those who haven't (yet) graduated to guns, probably because it's easier to get, although you do have to sign for it. Yes, a couple of rounds of 9mm from the owner might have resolved that, but we don't have that option. We can't even legally own pepper spray like Five Point Three

Edit: I see that this carjacking occurred in a nice, average residential area about a mile down the road from me.

 

[oldbrownhat]

This was the guy who dressed up as a RCMP officer, had a fully marked RCMP replica car, shot and set fire to multiple neighbors… and then started driving around, shooting people at random. Some he drove to their homes, others he pulled over and a few he just rolled down the window and fired. Injured one RCMP, killed another… then was taken down by a tactical unit at a gas station (stopped to fuel up, and noticed the guy acting odd)...

But just wanted to get the right info out regarding that event…

Thank you for this. It's good to have contacts right at the source.

Horrific and depressing, but sadly true. Apparently someone had alerted the RCMP that "I think this guy has guns" - and he was "known to police" from some minor infractions years before - but as I recall they didn't investigate, even checking the Canadian Firearms Database, which any police officer can do even from their car. The guy was brilliantly devious and evil, so not your typical criminal. But from what I read, our government's response in their so-called "investigation" of the event was, to put it as charitably as possible, an utter travesty and charade and an insult to the victims' families, in fact, to every Canadian. Ugh.


@biku: "...The territories with some of the highest violent crime rates include Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and Yukon, all of which have violent and property crime rates multiple times higher than the national average.

True. We have a real problem in our north. I just read that the RCMP are really beefing up their presence in northern BC as a result of violent crime. And BC seems to be a hotbed of the drug trade as well. They recently shut down the biggest fentanyl lab in Canadian history. And much of that ends up in the US.

 

[Bald1]

Hard for us Americans to throw stones at Canadian laws. Canadian homicide rates (incidents per 100,000 population) are far lower and crime rates generally are lower than are ours.

But it has nothing to do with access to guns. It's cultural.

 

[biku324]

And culture is supported by norms and (usually) laws.

If we start complaining about other folks, we need to clean up our act first.