Canceled the P365 order. I'll stick with the Shield
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cmj8591
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If you took a Sig, Shield, Glock, Springfield and any other brand now on the market and ran 10000 rounds through each of them, the failure rate would be the same. The biggest problem I see is someone buys a gun and they put a box or two through it and then form an opinion. A carry gun needs at least 500 rounds through it before it can be considered broken in for defensive carry. Most modern guns on the market today use basically the same manufacturing techniques. Quality control goes up and down for every gun maker. For the most part, problems and accolades exist mainly in the eyes of the beholder. Perception is reality.
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"NEVER GIVE UP"???
It appears you have made a decision based on interweb info, without the gun ever reaching YOUR hands.
With the reliability parameters you mentioned, I'm surprised you didn't pick a revolver. NOT SAYING your decision is right OR wrong, Just unexpected given your handle. I BELIEVE there is NO single correct choice for EVERYONE. 
It appears you have made a decision based on interweb info, without the gun ever reaching YOUR hands.
With the reliability parameters you mentioned, I'm surprised you didn't pick a revolver. NOT SAYING your decision is right OR wrong, Just unexpected given your handle. I BELIEVE there is NO single correct choice for EVERYONE. Cal44
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I just bought my first Sig. A P238 HD, all stainless version of the pocket 380.
It's a proven design that's been around for a while.
I may get a P365 is a few years, but I'll let other people debug them first.
It's a proven design that's been around for a while.
I may get a P365 is a few years, but I'll let other people debug them first.
Got my Magguts +2 for my Shield today and installation was simple, but after install was complete used a mag loader to load it and as soon as I pushed down to load 1st rd. the front of the follower popped up
and was ready to come out (many say it does this if empty and u push rear of follower, so load 1st rd. manually) loaded fine and I shot 2 mags with 0 issues!The parts, spring etc... all well made but I think follower should be longer in front so it wont pop out, had been using the Strike EMP's + 2 on both my 7 & 8 rd. mags and they work great, but the 8 rd mag with the EMP is very "Ugly and long" looking but the 7 Rrd. EMP looks and feels great they were about $14. compared to $33. for a Maggut.
The Maggut makes my 8rd. 1/4 longer then the regular 8 rd. but looks and feels great compared to the EMP 8 rd. +2 its 1/2" shorter, the Maggut on the 8 rd. mag is the same length as the EMP on the 7 rd. mag but the EMP is 1/16" longer in front since baseplate is curved in front and about 1/16" wider on sides since EMP has scallops on sides.
I have no idea how well the Magguts "Leaf Springs" will hold up over time?
On a side note Tim on MAC said he uses Magguts on his PPS, which really doesn't mean much since he carried and was bragging for over 1 yr. how great the H&K VP9 was before he bad mothed it!
Lee in Quartzsite
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My wife and I recently traded in our 12 year old M&P9 compacts for two Sig P-365's. We have had them now for about 3 months, and fired close to 1000 rounds through each of them without one failure. Frankly, it's a much more accurate shooter than my 9c ever was, even with the Apex trigger update. With the 12 round magazine it carries the same amount of rounds as the 9c, but with the same size as my 642.
Nothing is perfect. When I bought a Shield when they first came out it went back to S&W for multiple problems, my wife had to send her new Ruger LCP back for a recall and FTE failures, and my new $1000 Springfield 1911 had to go back for a broken barrel lug.
The 365 is a great carry gun and I don't regret buying one....actually two.
Nothing is perfect. When I bought a Shield when they first came out it went back to S&W for multiple problems, my wife had to send her new Ruger LCP back for a recall and FTE failures, and my new $1000 Springfield 1911 had to go back for a broken barrel lug.
The 365 is a great carry gun and I don't regret buying one....actually two.
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How does the Sig P365 compare in accuracy to the Sig P320? Because I have the SC P320 and I don't have anything that compares to it in the striker fired world. I wish they would have made the barrel a little longer on the P365. They could have done so easily.
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I don't have a 320, but I will tell you that out of all the carry guns I have shot, the 365 is by far the most accurate gun out of the box that I have shot.
The length of the barrel for me is perfect, fits easily in a pocket.
I think I forgot what this thread is about. I've never owned a Sig but do own the Shield 9. It was amazingly cheap + rebate, it's reliable, it carries easily and it's plenty accurate for it's intended purpose. I have to do the FDLE qualification which is out to 15yrds. It's center mass at that distance without difficulty. My first little 9 was a PF9 and it's OK but I like the Shield much better.
I purchased the G43 and then bought the Shield for my wife. It turned out that she couldn't pull the slide on the Shield but had no difficulty with the G43 so we traded. I found I like the Shield better.
Mine is the Shield 1. I've looked at the 2s and actually like the 1s better. The trigger is just fine for the type of gun and how it's carried. I don't carry it all of the time as I carry what my wild hair tells me to that day but darn, I can't imagine the Sig being worth twice what I paid for the Shield, especially for a gun that get sweat soaked, left under car seats, etc.
With a mag in the gun and two spares in my pocket that's more ammo than I carried most those years on duty. I was going to say "all those years on duty" but remembered I carried a 659 and later a 669 as duty weapons for a bit.
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I purchased the G43 and then bought the Shield for my wife. It turned out that she couldn't pull the slide on the Shield but had no difficulty with the G43 so we traded. I found I like the Shield better.
Mine is the Shield 1. I've looked at the 2s and actually like the 1s better. The trigger is just fine for the type of gun and how it's carried. I don't carry it all of the time as I carry what my wild hair tells me to that day but darn, I can't imagine the Sig being worth twice what I paid for the Shield, especially for a gun that get sweat soaked, left under car seats, etc.
With a mag in the gun and two spares in my pocket that's more ammo than I carried most those years on duty. I was going to say "all those years on duty" but remembered I carried a 659 and later a 669 as duty weapons for a bit.
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I have a fullsize P320 with an Apex trigger and the accuracy is pretty comparable at 7-10 yards between them. At 20-25 yards the fullsize is easier to keep on target. That said I like the trigger on the p365 just a hair more because it's lighter and smoother.
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Yep, they're jacking it up cause it's hard to find. Kind of like Apple does with every new Iphone. Did the same thing with the P-320. Another reason to wait. Today I got an email from Brownells for a SC Sig P-320 (contrast sights of course) for $399. Always pays to be patient.
MAC on youtube bought 3 p365's himself and every single one has had issues that affect reliability. Same all over the place.
The g2c stainless model will work more than just fine although I don't know how well it will hold up to sweat. My shield and hk usp 40c both do okay with sweat, the roll pins rust on both but nothing else...
I did not know Mac's 3rd P365 also had issues, which is very sad since as he said the 3rd p365 was recently made and has all the latest updates but even it has the trigger spring scraping mags.
Hopefully that vid will be on u-tube soon?
Hopefully that vid will be on u-tube soon?
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I know about MACs issues but I have 4 other friends with 365s and no issues. I love my Shield and G26, but there is nothing close to the size and round count. Sig just needs to tweak some things and get a little more quality control and they will be fine.
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I was able to put a some rounds through a 365 this week and found it too small for my hands along with a G43.
The Shield fits my hands much better and I am more accurate with it. I will be getting a Shield for carry along with my 640.
The Shield fits my hands much better and I am more accurate with it. I will be getting a Shield for carry along with my 640.
So I finally got to see the P365 in person today. Daaaaaaamn That thing is sweet. I can't believe you can do 12 rounds in that thing. I can wait another year easily. Hopefully more ranges will have it to rent by then.
However my question to those that have a shield 9mm and a P365 is, is the P365 a softer shooter, about the same or snappier then the Shield?
However my question to those that have a shield 9mm and a P365 is, is the P365 a softer shooter, about the same or snappier then the Shield?
wnderr
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I love the looks of my Ruger SR9C, and it is a dream to shoot, probably because it's so heavy! The only problem is that is a beast to carry IWB, very uncomfortable, and heavy! I ain't selling it though, it's a keeper.
The M&P compacts (Shield or 9c's) are more comfortable to carry, lighter, and shoot just about as well - and are nice looking to boot!
If I had to choose, I would probably keep the M&Ps, but it would really be a tough decision.
What gets carried the most by me is my little Taurus PT738 as a BUG, Taurus PT111G2 because it is so comfortable to carry. Then the Smiths (9c and Shield) and lastly the Ruger 9C. I almost always have a BUG.
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HA !
I paid $1.79 for my fire extinguisher and $2.99 for my parachute.
Still looking for a defibrillator for under $10.
I paid $1.79 for my fire extinguisher and $2.99 for my parachute.
Still looking for a defibrillator for under $10.
As I recall, initial production Shields were being sold at a price pretty close to MRSP until the frenzy was over. Keep in mind that the P365 comes standard with tritium sights and definitely has a better trigger than the stock Shields.
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