Carry and home gun for a lady

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I finally convinced my wonderful girlfriend (is lady friend a little too weird to say?) that she needs a gun that is "more" than the Walther P-22 that I gave her years ago. So I thought that for fun I'd pop in here and ask the Forum for recommendations and ideas.

The brand doesn't matter. I'm unsure if she can handle too much recoil but we'll find out. I'm thinking that we stick to .38 Special or 9mm - we'll find out today if she can rack the slide on a 9mm pistol.

If we just use a gun from my "accumulation" she is not getting my M649 and it's my only J frame. But I have a miscellaneous accumulation so let's leave the door open and see what folks think.

So, like I said, it's a fun topic, toss out some ideas for me!

Gracias!
 
IMHO, a .38s in a J frame or similar is going to be a bit "snappy" with recoil. Conversely, a semi auto pistol may be difficult for her to rack. Thankfully many manufacture's of guns and ammo have begun address these phenomena. As always it's best to try to range test as many guns that suit your needs as possible.
I feel comfortable that my wife has a Shield and a 9c. She is able to rack them, handle the recoil and quickly follow up on target. She is much better reloading with a new mag than a speed loader. She prefers an external safety. Not my choice, but it makes her more comfortable so ultimately makes her better in an emergency situation.
 
When Ruthie decided 11 years ago to go heeled we made three weekend trips to a range with a large assortment of rental guns. She gave a lot of guns a fair shake and landed on an LCP.

She chose wisely.

That's the ticket. Have her shoot a variety of prospective guns and allow her to make the choice.
 
After some experimenting my lady friend went with an LCRX 3". A good all round combination of weight (its light), fairly decent sights (I added an XS standard dot front) with adjustable rear, rugged finish that still looks great after 5 years and shoots 90 - 148 grain to POA at 50' and inbound. Balances well with the 3" barrel and factory grips absorb a lot of recoil. She carry's in a gun specific hand bag and it resides in a ballistic scabbard at home on the night stand. I have never had a gun this easy to clean and maintain.
 
All the women in my life who I've provided firearms for have 642's loaded with standard .38 sp.
Point it and pull the trigger. The j frame fits most women's hand well.
No need to rack the slide, worry about the safety, or lack thereof. No hammer to snag. No need to practice shooting more than 10-15 feet away (if that far).
Perfect, imo, for the woman who doesn't train enough to develop muscle memory. Nothing to think about when the time of need arises except point and shoot.
 
One of the biggest mistakes I see are people thinking that women should carry light weight handguns. The idea is that if it’s not really light they won’t carry it.

It’s far more important that a woman carry a gun they are comfortable shooting and are willing to practice with enough to attain and maintain proficiency.

The handgun, pistol or revolver absolutely must fit her hand so that:
- the trigger reach is not excessive (pad of the finger for an SA only pistol, and all the way to the first joint with a DA/SA pistol, DAO pistol or DA/SA or DAO revolver);
- she can get her fingers far enough around the grip to properly control it (thumb and middle finger should be able to touch or very nearly so); and
- the sights are visible and close to being aligned naturally when she raises the pistol to her line of sight.

Similarly she must be able to rack the slide on the handgun (although there are some techniques such as bracing the shooting arm against the hip while holding the slide with the weak hand and then pivoting the him hole pushing the pistol forward to rack the slide held in the other hand).

The DA trigger pull must be manageable whether it’s on a DA pistol or a DA revolver. And again, being able to get the trigger finger on the trigger all the way up to the first joint is essential.

Cartridge considerations are secondary or even tertiary.

In general recoil springs are lighter for locked breech designs than for blow back designs and in most cases a locked breech 9mm will be easier to rack than a blow back .380, but a locked breech .380 ACP pistol will generally be very easy to rack as is a blowback .32 ACP.

The Kimber Micro is light, compact and easy to rack, but the cartride is one many consider to be marginal. Hornady XTPs will expand and penetrate 12” in ballistic gel, but they need 1000 fps to do it and that’s a stretch in a 2.75” barrel. Choose the load carefully. Recoil is about the same as a Walther PPK/S, even though it’s a lot lighter.

The Kimber Micro 9 is slightly larger and is 9mm. But recoil can be objectionable. However, I bought one with the slightly longer threaded barrel and a compensator. That compensator is surprisingly effective and puts it high on the list for a concealed carry handgun with reduced recoil.

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A steel frame Model 36 or Model 60 is a good choice, especially with .38 or .38 +P ammunition.

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The Ruger SP101 is also a good choice and with about 5 oz more weight compared to a model 60, it even more recoil friendly.

The small frame Taurus pistols like the 85 and the 9mm 905 below can also be good choices, but quality is all over the place so buy it and try it for you depend on it.

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I’ve been very impressed with the Taurus 856 Executive. It’s a bobbed hammer DAO revolver but the trigger is very smooth and light weight for a DA revolver. It’s equal to the triggers on my two Kimber K6S pistols that cost twice as much.

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My major objection with the 856 executive is that the grips won’t work with a speed loader and interfere with ejection of 1 or 2 of the cases.

An aftermarket grip and some carving of a speed loader got it to my preferred level of self defense speed load-ability.

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The Beretta 80X also has an excellent DA trigger. It’s a .380 ACP but it’s a double stack pistol that is very well made and reliable. It’s still a blow back design but the wide back strap and weight of the loaded pistol make recoil very manageable and suitably pleasant.

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I agree with some of the others, she should shoot an assortment of pistols and then make an informed decision. The smaller lighter pistols are traditionally more difficult to shoot well and tend to recoil more. Take the time to find a quality firearm that she enjoys shooting.
 
I think a lot of the modern single stack 9mm pistols (Kahr, Glock, Sig, Shield) are all viable options. Need to consider her hand size (what will fit her hand well) and how she will carry it (IWB, purse carry, etc). If you go with a J frame, my suggestion would be an all steel Centennial model. Also, consider grips. I love a J frame with Pachmayr closed back grips. May have to go back to that myself. Except that ammo availability and price for .38/.357 to be somewhat prohibitive!

Edit: if racking a slide is an issue, consider the EZ-9 or .380 EZ line of pistols.
 
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Mrs. robrossk likes our S&W 380EZ. Some people do struggle with the grip safety but the performance center version has a different safety piece and there are aftermarket options as well. A J frame revolver might be an option but double action pull accuracy requires a LOT of practice. I would suggest 110gr ammo or 148 gr wadcutters. And when done practicing, practice more.
 
Yeah, what he said

Check out a Smith EZ.9 (or .380 if recoil is an issue). Great pistol, easy to operate, easy to shoot. Wife’s had one since they came out. Four people (2 ladies) I’ve taught to shoot have tried them and bought their own. Highly recommend.

Seriously. What he said.
 
Recoil is a bit snappy with the Ruger LCP and any light weight 9mm auto. Hand fitting semi autos are much easier to shoot accurately for women than J frame .38s. A Glock 42 .380 would seem to be ideal.
 
Part of the answer lies in how much time she's going to devote to honing her craft.
Revolvers make a lot of sense for folks that want to have a gun handy, but aren't going to practice or shoot a lot.
My girl started with a 642, but when she decided she liked to shoot and wanted to do more of it, she moved on to autoloaders.
Walther seems to have taken the female shooter to heart, and make some fine guns for that purpose. The CCP is one of the best feeling pistols in the hand, IMO. Just make sure you get the 2nd version (M2)!
 
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My wife’s two guns. The 380 resides in the safe. The Model 60 goes with her. It fits her hand, has enough weight that the 38+p Gold Dots are comfortable to shoot, and is simple to operate. I pray she never has to use it but am happy she has it. Good luck!

Hugh


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Keep some simply Physics in mind. Note this is something that is TOTALLY ignored by many males purchasing firearms for a woman.

1) Lighter guns produce more perceived recoil than heavier guns.

(2) Guns with stronger recoil will have heavier recoil springs than guns with lighter recoil.


I personally have to keep these rules in mind when selecting what I'll be taking to the range for an outing. Because I have Arthritis in both thumbs and the radial head of both wrists. This means that a 1911 in 45 ACP is at my absolute limit for wracking the slide if the hammer is down and a bit painful to shoot. On the other hand my 9mm 1911 is a pure pleasure to shoot and it's one of the easiest slides of any of the guns I own. Speaking of Revolvers my model 36 is tolerable with some big fat Hogue rubbers on it but with those original postage stamps grips "rapid fire" ain't gonna happen considering it takes a full second or more to re-establish a proper grip after each shot.

My suggestion for a handgun for a shooter who is recoil sensitive and a bit lacking in experience is a 380 semi or 32 caliber revolver. Yeah, neither caliber is not a "man stopper" but in Fact and Science neither is the 45 ACP. What actually stops an assailant is is a well placed shot. So, what one chooses to shoot is vastly less important than getting a pistol that someone will actually enjoy shooting. Because Practice is critical for gaining and maintaining the ability to shoot well.
 
Why should she be different than anyone else, different from any of us? Take her to the range with a variety of guns and see what she gravitates towards. Let her decide.
 
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