Carrying Concealed really Does Mean Concealed

[Ziggy2525]

There's a blogger/trainer that goes by the alias John Mosby/Guerrilla Gunfighter. He has some decent stuff. He differentiates between Concealed Carry and Clandestine Carry.

Concealed Carry is when you're in permissive areas. Your weapon is covered and not noticed by the general public. You haven't given up on a fast draw. You may print occasionally. An experienced gun guy can probably pick you out. Think a M&P Compact IWB under a t-shirt.

Clandestine Carry is when you are carrying in a legal, but non-permissive area. Maybe your work. Your bosses holiday party. etc. You give up on a speedy draw and capacity for not ever being made as carrying a weapon. By anyone. Here we'd be talking something like an LCP or Bodyguard .380 in your pocket or a belly band.

Concealed Carry, you'd prefer not to be made, but if you do, you explain your way out of it. "It's legal," "it's my insulin pump," etc. Clandestine Carry, you treat being made like a life or death event.

I think those two distinctions, concealed vs clandestine, make sense.

 

[ContinentalOp]

There's a blogger/trainer that goes by the alias John Mosby/Guerrilla Gunfighter. He has some decent stuff. He differentiates between Concealed Carry and Clandestine Carry.

Makes sense. I think that's consistent with my view on concealed carry, though I tend to think of it more as a continuum, with open carry on one end and super-discreet "secret squirrel" carry on the other, than two distinct categories.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[fredj338]

I wouldnt wotty much about modest printing. Imo, only gun otiented people will notice. In the incident quoted, the ccw made the mistake of handling his gun outside his car where somone would see it. Put the gun on, cover it up, no one will notice. I make sure I dont accidentally expose my ccw. After all, in Kalif, not common to see a handgun in public & I dont need hysterics.

 

[wheelyfun66]

Good IWB holster and gunbelt work wonders to keep things tucked in tight to the body.
Just got a haircut today, nothing but a simple black tee shirt covering my Glock 26.
Concealed properly is important in the uber-liberal northeastern states that i frequent!

 

[uncleted327]

I wouldn't necessarily call the NE uber-liberal with VT, NH, and ME all having constitutional carry. Even here in NY, outside of NYC and a handful of upstate cities the state is actually very conservative and carry is quite common, though with more ridiculous hoops to jump through. Its really NYC, Massachusetts and Connecticut that stain the NE.

 

[haywood]

Some days I go out and just watch people. I very rarely see someone carrying. I don’t last that long watching because it gets boring. I don’t even see people wearing gun clothes much anymore.

 

[BAM-BAM]

I don’t even see people wearing gun clothes much anymore.

"Gun clothes"???????????

 

[Ozark Marine]

I'm sure glad I'm hangin' out in a free state......

OC or CC, no permit needed !!!

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Same here in the great free state of Missouri.
Carry what you want however you want.
I still renew my MO CCW permit for traveling out of state.

 

[steelslaver]

Where I live nobody would think much of it. I sometime see people open carrying and I think many people don't even notice that. Seeing a gun in Montana is just about as common as seeing birds. They are all over the place.
On hips, in gun racks, in gun cabinets, wall racks, glove compartments. between the seat cracks. I see them in gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, parking lots, on tractors. Anyone who tackled someone for carrying a gun around here would be the laughing stick of the town.

 

[KSDeputy]

I carry in a Desantis Gunny Sack. They may think they know what is in there, but as fanny packs are used for lots of things, they can't be sure. I always carry concealed, except when in uniform. In KS a law abiding citizen can carry openly or concealed. The only reason for getting a permit is out of state travel. I rarely travel, but do have a LEOSA permit.

 

[Practical]

I would not assume the general public is naive as in the past. Most places of worship liberal and conservative have security teams. School training of staff teaches hundreds in your community how to spot signs of weapons.

There are a lot of people now in the community trained to look for guns on a person and that did not exist 20 years ago. My anti gun state legislature office hired experts on firearms and the gun owning community to teach him and his staff. The anti-gun professional community is spending millions to create grass roots groups to rival the NRA.

I think the number of people reached by the antigen message and the see something say something is much larger than you think. I know my church has every entrance watched and is some one is walking in late they are greeted at a door by an radio earpieces greeter.

I don't agree at all that people are oblivious.

 

[medic15al]

"Gun clothes"???????????

Like photographer's vests, 5.11 tactical pants/shirts/coats, fanny packs, Gun branded clothes, Baggy, sagging on one side, "guarding" carry side, hiking up pants, ETC...

 

[Echo40]

Some days I go out and just watch people. I very rarely see someone carrying. I don’t last that long watching because it gets boring. I don’t even see people wearing gun clothes much anymore.

Same here, most guys I see these days are wearing skinny jeans or even leggings. Only older guys wear cargo pants anymore it seems, which is odd because up until about 10 years ago I saw them everywhere.

In fact, the other day I was out shopping and the only guy I saw dressed in concealed-carry-friendly attire was an older man with a long gray beard.

Nowadays you get a lot of folks online who put others down for wearing clothing that makes it possible to concealed carry a full-size pistol, ammo, a BUG, and a knife, claiming that it makes you stand out too much and thus makes you a target, but given the choice between standing out and attempting to camouflage myself by dressing more casually but being less armed in the process, I'll take my chances.
Besides, I think I'd stand out even worse with a man-bun and leggings because frankly I'm just not effeminate enough to pull off the look, and my glowing beat-red face from the sheer shame of dressing that way would definitely call more attention to me.

 

[Jon651]

So basically, some idiot wannabe action hero tackled a senior citizen for carrying a firearm.

It seems to me that the guy had to be looking for trouble, itching for an opportunity to play the hero, and subsequently jumped the gun by stupidly attacking some old man in the parking lot like a total thug. He's lucky that nobody else was there to intervene and come to the old man's aid.

Honestly, this is why you don't go jumping somebody just because you think that they might be up to something. At the very most Mr. Vigilante should have followed the old man inside the store, kept an eye on him from a safe distance, and in the event in which the old man actually drew his gun, THEN he should have done something, but that would have actually taken guts, unlike preemptively tackling an old man from behind and putting him in a chokehold.

What a jerk.

We are also probably lucky that Mr. Vigilante wasn't carrying a concealed weapon as well and decided that deadly force was an option. THAT mess would probably stay in the news for at least a year and give ammunition (no pun) to a lot of nuts on both sides of the argument. That's one problem we all DON'T need.