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Hi most of the responses have been helpful. Thanks for the replies
Carrying Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380 with round in chamber
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Galco has a leather pocket holster listed as compatible for the BG 2.0, but I'm not sure of any leather IWB holsters at the moment.I recently purchased one and am trying to figure since my 2.0 docent have a safety, which is best leather holster for inside belt or wallet pocket? Any ideas would be appreciated. Fangule
Whichever way you go, be very honest with yourself when the holster starts to wear and flex/sag. You don't have a lot of margin for error with the BG 2.0's light, short striker fire trigger.
Over on Active Self Protection, (Do you know that YouTube Channel?) there are a few lessons that the host is very clearly adamant about. This is one of them. Watching the videos of men dying because they never had time to rack the slide will have a strong effect on you.
Another very important one is NEVER DRAW ON THE DROP. You are the good guy; you don't get to decide. The bad guy does that. You are going to wait for a chance to counter ambush and you need to have a 1.5 second draw, from concealment to the first shot. I know of a man who can do it. He can draw, chamber a round and deliver an anatomically significant hit all in under 1.5 seconds. He racks the slide on the holster one handed!
You will guess that yours very truly cannot do this My solution is carrying the third generation S&W traditional double action pistol. The pistol found to be the ideal solution to this problem.
There are some instructional videos by the Israelis which show very credible techniques you should study. Remember that part of the problem is that a gunfight is a fight, and you may need to be controlling the assailant with one hand while you draw with the other.
Use the empty gun as a weapon hard into his soft vulnerable parts.
As he reacts you will make space to rack and fire.
If you are going to carry in condition three, please consider your empty hand fighting skills and/or use a blade.
Anyway I share the opinion that you can train your way to carryin with one in the snout.
We want a range report with pictures OK?
Best Regards!
BrianD
Another very important one is NEVER DRAW ON THE DROP. You are the good guy; you don't get to decide. The bad guy does that. You are going to wait for a chance to counter ambush and you need to have a 1.5 second draw, from concealment to the first shot. I know of a man who can do it. He can draw, chamber a round and deliver an anatomically significant hit all in under 1.5 seconds. He racks the slide on the holster one handed!
You will guess that yours very truly cannot do this
My solution is carrying the third generation S&W traditional double action pistol. The pistol found to be the ideal solution to this problem.There are some instructional videos by the Israelis which show very credible techniques you should study. Remember that part of the problem is that a gunfight is a fight, and you may need to be controlling the assailant with one hand while you draw with the other.
Use the empty gun as a weapon hard into his soft vulnerable parts.
As he reacts you will make space to rack and fire.
If you are going to carry in condition three, please consider your empty hand fighting skills and/or use a blade.
Anyway I share the opinion that you can train your way to carryin with one in the snout.
We want a range report with pictures OK?
Best Regards!
BrianD
I recently purchased one and am trying to figure since my 2.0 docent have a safety, which is best leather holster for inside belt or wallet pocket? Any ideas would be appreciated. Fangule
Bianchi at least used to make a leather IWB holster for the Walther PPK/S that works fine with my Bodyguard 2.0.
Ok...they still make them apparently. The model number is 100, size is 09. You can find them on Amazon at least. 50-70 dollars, depending on the vendor I suppose. Quality, at least when I bought mine is excellent.
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Like a revolver, it has internal, automatic safety mechanisms to prevent discharge if dropped. Otherwise, like a revolver, plan on it going off if you pull the trigger.
Therefore, don't pull the trigger.
Every police officer carries with a round in the chamber. Their guns don't "go off" (well, except one other model of one other brand maybe).
Do you think "their" guns are somehow less susceptible to whatever you fear than "ours"?
If you cannot get past it, better to not carry. An unloaded or "half-loaded" (full mag, empty chamber, aka Condition 3) pistol is a terrible idea.
When the enemy is coming over the wire you have plenty of time to chamber a round. Not so when you need your weapon and the whole thing is over in two seconds. Carried fully loaded or not at all.
Therefore, don't pull the trigger.
Every police officer carries with a round in the chamber. Their guns don't "go off" (well, except one other model of one other brand maybe).
Do you think "their" guns are somehow less susceptible to whatever you fear than "ours"?
If you cannot get past it, better to not carry. An unloaded or "half-loaded" (full mag, empty chamber, aka Condition 3) pistol is a terrible idea.
When the enemy is coming over the wire you have plenty of time to chamber a round. Not so when you need your weapon and the whole thing is over in two seconds. Carried fully loaded or not at all.
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I carry a striker fired gun with a round chambered, no safety in a holster. Normally IWB but occasionally in in a pocket holster. Your Bodyguard has a heavier and longer trigger that makes an accidental/negligent discharge much less likely. As others have said the added time it takes to chamber a round and chance something will go wrong make carrying a gun without a round chambered less useful.
Not only does chambering a round take time, it also requires two hands and adds a big opportunity for error. Guns are more likely to have a failure to feed when being manually cycled than when being fired. And there is always a chance that in a high stress situation I might forget I need to chamber a round.
While most people agree that the benefits of carrying with a round in the chamber far outweigh the risks deciding whether or not to use a safety is a much closer call. The biggest benefit is you cannot accidentally put a your finger in the trigger guard while holstering the gun and have an accidental discharge. Some guns like 1911s are not drop safe without the safety on so you have no choice but to use one. The risk is you might fail to take it off when you suddenly need the gun. I decided to go without a manual safety but can understand why many people will not carry without one. Simple is better and "point gun, pull trigger" is as simple as it gets.
Despite logically knowing that a properly designed striker fired gun is safe to carry with a round in the chamber and no safety it didn't feel safe at first. I had to carry it with an empty chamber a few times before it really felt safe to carry with a round chambered. As much as we like to think we are entirely rational beings making decisions solely based on facts and logic its not true. If the less logical part of your brain doesn't feel safe carrying with a round chambered it should come around after you carry a while. While gun with an empty chamber is much less useful carrying one does not make you less safe than carrying no gun at all. But it should be a step towards carrying with a round chambered, not the final destination.
Not only does chambering a round take time, it also requires two hands and adds a big opportunity for error. Guns are more likely to have a failure to feed when being manually cycled than when being fired. And there is always a chance that in a high stress situation I might forget I need to chamber a round.
While most people agree that the benefits of carrying with a round in the chamber far outweigh the risks deciding whether or not to use a safety is a much closer call. The biggest benefit is you cannot accidentally put a your finger in the trigger guard while holstering the gun and have an accidental discharge. Some guns like 1911s are not drop safe without the safety on so you have no choice but to use one. The risk is you might fail to take it off when you suddenly need the gun. I decided to go without a manual safety but can understand why many people will not carry without one. Simple is better and "point gun, pull trigger" is as simple as it gets.
Despite logically knowing that a properly designed striker fired gun is safe to carry with a round in the chamber and no safety it didn't feel safe at first. I had to carry it with an empty chamber a few times before it really felt safe to carry with a round chambered. As much as we like to think we are entirely rational beings making decisions solely based on facts and logic its not true. If the less logical part of your brain doesn't feel safe carrying with a round chambered it should come around after you carry a while. While gun with an empty chamber is much less useful carrying one does not make you less safe than carrying no gun at all. But it should be a step towards carrying with a round chambered, not the final destination.
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Pocket carry was my primary mode for several years. A good pocket holster is IMHO a mandate; making sure that pocket is never used for anything else is too. If one's not willing to carry a quality firearm with a round chambered, they need training or to get rid of their firearms.
I never considered my pocket carried Glocks (26, then 33) to be unsafe.
I never considered my pocket carried Glocks (26, then 33) to be unsafe.
The thing to remind yourself of is this... These guns were specifically and deliberately designed to be carried with a round in the chamber.
Perhaps even more important, in a self-defense situation it is highly unlikely that you are going to have time to rack a round into the chamber. At least, not unless you spend hundreds of hours practicing. If carrying a semi-automatic with a round in the chamber really worries you, then you should be carrying a revolver!
(And, yeah, I know that the thread is 8 years old, and the OP is probably long gone. Still bears repeating.)
Perhaps even more important, in a self-defense situation it is highly unlikely that you are going to have time to rack a round into the chamber. At least, not unless you spend hundreds of hours practicing. If carrying a semi-automatic with a round in the chamber really worries you, then you should be carrying a revolver!
(And, yeah, I know that the thread is 8 years old, and the OP is probably long gone. Still bears repeating.)
Gunguy,
Please allow me to add my two cents.
First, I don't own a BG, but when I do pocket carry, it is either a G42 or a Sig P365-380 (without the thumb safety). While I do have a P365 in 9mm with a thumb safety, it is never pocket carried. Personally, I find that the thumb safety impedes a quick draw from my Vedder Pocket Locker.
Concerning carrying with a chambered round, do you drive your car without a seat belt on in the belief that you'll have time to put it on if you are having an accident? This past September, I attended the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit, and my chosen training class was Defensive Shooting Skills, which put me in the shooting house. In my second scenario, as I rounded a corner, a knife wielding aggressor turned the corner and we were no more than 4 feet apart. From facing and identifying the threat to the firing of the second round took no more than 3 seconds. That involved identifying the threat, drawing, putting the pistol on target, and firing 2 lethal shots. This particular FTX proved that I wouldn't have time to rack the slide or decide whether or not to shoot.
As an FYI, I've been shooting long guns and pistols for the better part of 50 years. I started with a 1911, and started shooting combat-style matches about 6 years ago. I shoot both revolvers, SA and striker-fired pistols. You need to be comfortable and familiar with any handgun that you choose to carry for self-defense. That may vary between a few weeks versus several months, depending on how familiar you are with shooting. The bottom line is that you need to practice and possibly get some formal training at a minimum. It's an added bonus if you can get some force on force training!
Please allow me to add my two cents.
First, I don't own a BG, but when I do pocket carry, it is either a G42 or a Sig P365-380 (without the thumb safety). While I do have a P365 in 9mm with a thumb safety, it is never pocket carried. Personally, I find that the thumb safety impedes a quick draw from my Vedder Pocket Locker.
Concerning carrying with a chambered round, do you drive your car without a seat belt on in the belief that you'll have time to put it on if you are having an accident? This past September, I attended the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit, and my chosen training class was Defensive Shooting Skills, which put me in the shooting house. In my second scenario, as I rounded a corner, a knife wielding aggressor turned the corner and we were no more than 4 feet apart. From facing and identifying the threat to the firing of the second round took no more than 3 seconds. That involved identifying the threat, drawing, putting the pistol on target, and firing 2 lethal shots. This particular FTX proved that I wouldn't have time to rack the slide or decide whether or not to shoot.
As an FYI, I've been shooting long guns and pistols for the better part of 50 years. I started with a 1911, and started shooting combat-style matches about 6 years ago. I shoot both revolvers, SA and striker-fired pistols. You need to be comfortable and familiar with any handgun that you choose to carry for self-defense. That may vary between a few weeks versus several months, depending on how familiar you are with shooting. The bottom line is that you need to practice and possibly get some formal training at a minimum. It's an added bonus if you can get some force on force training!
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HOLY NECRO-THREAD!
The OP concerned the OG hammer-fired double-action-only Bodyguard 380. I carry one of those - with a round chambered - in a pocket holster all week long and twice on Sunday. Similar to a double-action revolver.
Striker-fired pistols with popular light sear let-offs? They stay fully loaded also - but safely in a belt holster.
The OP concerned the OG hammer-fired double-action-only Bodyguard 380. I carry one of those - with a round chambered - in a pocket holster all week long and twice on Sunday. Similar to a double-action revolver.
Striker-fired pistols with popular light sear let-offs? They stay fully loaded also - but safely in a belt holster.
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Excellent analogy!
I always love the necro-threads!
I think they come back because they need to. I suppose better etiquette is to start a new thread and link to the Zombie thread.
Who even does that?!
I think they come back because they need to. I suppose better etiquette is to start a new thread and link to the Zombie thread.
Who even does that?!
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I carry my Bodyguard .380 with a round in the chamber, safety off and in a DeSantis pocket holster. It's not going to fire unless you put your finger on the trigger and pull that heavy thing all the way back. YMMV. tom.
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