I am Shooting a 460 s&w with handloaded bullets. I am having a problem with the cases not ejecting out of the cylinder. I have that problem with 265gr and 370gr bullets. I loaded up minimum and maximum loads (according to the hodgdon load data) and they all get stuck. I use 'Lil gun powder, and tried both large rifle and pistol primers. I actually blew a hole through one primer, and the rest have a black ring around the primer...does that mean the pressure is blowing through there? Can anyone tell me what is going on? Do I need my cylinders resized?
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I am Shooting a 460 s&w with handloaded bullets. I am having a problem with the cases not ejecting out of the cylinder. I have that problem with 265gr and 370gr bullets. I loaded up minimum and maximum loads (according to the hodgdon load data) and they all get stuck. I use 'Lil gun powder, and tried both large rifle and pistol primers. I actually blew a hole through one primer, and the rest have a black ring around the primer...does that mean the pressure is blowing through there? Can anyone tell me what is going on? Do I need my cylinders resized?
Bruce51
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There have been other discussions of this issue. You can use the find feature to locate previous threads. Here is the link to one of them. Bruce
http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...531075123#8531075123
http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...531075123#8531075123
john traveler
Member
Your difficult extraction, blown primer, and primer leaks are all bad indications of serious overpressure. Time to go back and re-check your loads for the proper powder, charge weight, and bullet weight combinations you are using.
Bruce51
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Have you been shooting .45 Colt before your handloads?Bruce
john traveler
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Isn't Lil' Gun a really fast pistol powder? I was just wondering why you are loading such heavy bullets using that powder.
Bruce51
Member
Well you do say you are having a problem. I'm not a loader of the 460 but fast powders and heavy bullets do not seem to be a good idea as there are better powders for heavy loads. We are just trying to help. I have read several threads about the 460 and the information provided is quite interesting. John Traveler and SmithCrazy have a lot of good information to share. A good example was brass separation due to firing 460 loads after .45 loads. The 460 case would grip the cylinder walls where the mouth of the .45 left residue and stretch the case. That is why I suggested a search of previous posts. There is a lot of good information from very knowledgeable members. It is very good you are asking questions here. You will get the best advice from the most helpful people on the internet.Good luck Bruce
Skip Sackett
US Veteran
Lil' Gun and the 460 should be just fine. My favorite load for the 500mag was using Lil' Gun and I had no pressure issues at all.
Marine, how are you getting your powder weight? Are you using a powder measure or a digital scale or what? If I could take a guess I would suspect you are getting more powder in there than what you are supposed to have.
One thing for sure, you need to stop shooting your rounds NOW. Something is terribly wrong. With the minimum loads there should be no problem with extraction, period.
Do you have any factory loads?
Marine, how are you getting your powder weight? Are you using a powder measure or a digital scale or what? If I could take a guess I would suspect you are getting more powder in there than what you are supposed to have.
One thing for sure, you need to stop shooting your rounds NOW. Something is terribly wrong. With the minimum loads there should be no problem with extraction, period.
Do you have any factory loads?
Ya, factory loads work fine...no problems. I am using a 10 10 scale...not digital, and I am very precise with all loads and take my time and zero it out before each batch. I will compare it to another scale as to see if it is the scale that is messing up. Thanks for the advice. I'll let you know how it goes.
dwhite53
Member
Check your bullet weight and diameter too. I've gotten incorrect weight bullets before. I think they were supposed to be 180's and marked on the box as such. They were actually 200's. If they're oversize on the diameter you'll get the same effect.
Are these cast bullets? Did you cast them yourself?
All the Best,
D. White
Are these cast bullets? Did you cast them yourself?
All the Best,
D. White
both, I had the problem with my own cast bullets and factory bought casr bullets........I just compared my scale to another one, and they are the exact same, so it is not my scale, shouldn't be the bullets, could it be the gun?
Cautious_Mike
Member
You stated it did OK with factory Ammo, just handloads are giving you a problem. Wouldn't think the gun was at fault. I'd check Crimp.
Skip Sackett
US Veteran
Slug your barrel,measure your cylinder throats, measure your bullets. IF and I say IF they are too hard and too big, it may be causing this phenomenon. I doubt it though. The fit should be .001" bigger than throats and the throats should be .001" or more bigger than the bore diameter. The Hodgdon site doesn't list data for the some of the bullets you mentioned. Could you elaborate on how you got those loads? Their data says they use .451" jacketed and .452" cast, gas checked by the way.
Other than that, I need to see some pictures of your rounds. Before and after.
How hard are they to remove from the cylinder? Do you have to get a tool to get them out?
Other than that, I need to see some pictures of your rounds. Before and after.
How hard are they to remove from the cylinder? Do you have to get a tool to get them out?
The bullets are right at .453, the cylinder throat is .450. I am using data for the cpb wln gc. I was told that when reloading cast bullets you can use load data for whatever other kind of bullet that is stated for that weight. I am using gas checks on all loads. The cases are near impossible to get out. I had to carefully beat them out with alot of force. I do not have a tool, I used a small rod to bang on the inside of the cases while trying not to bang on the gun itself. I'd rather destroy a caes than my weapon. ...........I saw you are a Christian...I am a believer also. What a good combo of weapons, Marine Corps, and CHRISTIANITY.
