Caveat emptor-the batfe will be paying you a visit

As a retired cop I would like to be able to tell everyone that it is best to cooperate with law enforcement officer conducting an official investigation. I would certainly like to be able to do that. Yes I would.

Unfortunately, there appears to be a pattern of "fishing expeditions" being conducted under the guise of official investigations, and some of the officials involved are utilizing heavy-handed tactics to intimidate citizens into permitting searches without warrants or probable cause, and pressuring citizens to provide information that is not pertinent to any legitimate investigation; rather is simply sought in an attempt to place those citizens in jeopardy.

So, what I will tell everyone is to do these things:

1. Demand identification, make a point of writing down the names, titles, identifying numbers, etc. If in any doubt about the identification shown, get on the telephone and call the agency involved to verify the identities and purpose of the officials involved.

2. Ask for a full explanation of the purpose of the investigation being conducted, and make notes of what was said and by whom. If there is even the slightest indication that you are the subject of the investigation, it is time to contact a lawyer and shut up until you have legal representation present.

3. Ask for a copy of any warrant or court order the officials may have. If they produce nothing, you are simply not required to permit them entry to your home. Again, make notes of anything said and by whom it was said.

4. At any point at which an official makes any comment that might be construed as a threat, no matter how slight, tell that official that you are contacting a lawyer and will say nothing more until you have legal representation present.

5. Do not, under any circumstances, engage in argument, raise your voice, make any threatening gestures, speak any threatening words, or otherwise provide any cause for the officials to escalate the situation. Simply stand your ground, firmly and politely, and explain that you intend to exercise your civil rights completely.

Enough said.
 
But, a mendacious interviewee is a criminal. Just ask Scooter Libby.
However agents are not allowed to lie UNDER OATH, and that was the case in the NFA training video. They were EXPLICITLY being instructed to testify FALSELY to the accuracy of the NFA record keeping system, and the person presenting the lecture STATED such in the video.

+1 on warrants, attorneys, and Miranda rights. Those are the rules of the game. Best to know them, abide by them, and demand the same of "Johnny Law." The smartest people in the world can "paint themselves into a corner." Do not let it happen to you!
That's why it's NEVER advisable to "banter" with police or Federal agents. Leave the witty dialog to "Law & Order". Invoke your 5th Amendment right to remain silent and SHUT UP.

Sorry if I sound adversarial, but government agents showing up at my door demanding information that they are not legally entitled to without due process is adversarial.
No need for appologies. It is BY ITS NATURE, an adversarial system.
 
Sorry if I sound adversarial, but government agents showing up at my door demanding information that they are not legally entitled to without due process is adversarial.

NONSENSE! If you hadn't been doing SOMETHING wrong they wouldn't be there and if you didn't have something to hide you wouldn't be afraid to cooperate.

You are obviously a terrorist, a Threat to the Republic and a menace to society generally. Don't you realize It's For The Children?
 
I try to be courteous to anybody who shows at the door, even the "college" kids selling magazine subscriptions, but I think a very business like approach is best with the BATF. They are not your friends, and might want to use me as a career enhancement move! If they want to look around, they will need a warrant.
 
oh those were exactly what i was hoping to get. thanks all and especially lobo for the suggestions. I'm going to print that out.
 
I think it should be difficult to get a warrant to "look around", but I suppose with a complacent judge and mendacious LEO, anything is possible.
I am not certain what if anything I am required to prove to a BATF "special" agent, that I still have a firearm I acquired in 1942?
Should not the proof shoe be on the other foot? They allegedly have the guns and serial numbers recovered from the cartels. Should they not be asking specific questions about those guns rather than fishing around in someone's collection of revolvers that no respectable gun banger would use?

As a private citizen in a state with no registration and no record keeping requirement, what on earth do they think I could tell them if I wanted to co-operate. I have no records to show them.
That does not mean that I have none, just none to show them.

I am a strong advocate of the maxim; "If you know how many guns you have, you do not have enough".
 
No one is getting a warrant just to "look around." It would be a waste of time in any case.
The warrant must come from specific articulable facts. The only circumstance I am aware of where ATF agents showed up at people's homes was where the dealer had knowingly sold a stolen gun and ATF was going to recover it.
 
No one is getting a warrant just to "look around."
Actually, for the most part they aren't GETTING warrants. Most of the recent reports involve fishing expeditions involving lawful buyers and their NEIGHBORS.

Refuse consent and they've got to fish or cut bait. Most times they'll try to find someone more gullible and more easily intimidated.

Know your rights and exercise them. They can like it or lump it. It's all the same to me.
 
Then there was the flap about the gun owner's NEIGHBORS being contacted about his owning guns; did the neighbors know he had guns, did they know how many, was it OK with them, etc.
 

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