CC comes to Illinois

[Buford57]

While folks in Texas and Vermont might find this law a joke, let me point out the following:

1. It replaced an almost complete prohibition.
2. It is shall issue.
3. It limits the ability of municipalities to pass new restrictions.
4. It includes safe harbor provisions for licensees to secure their firearms prior to entering restricted areas.
5. The range qualification provisions are so easy that they almost guarantee success.
6. It will stimulate the economy by creating jobs for anyone with an NRA firearms instructor certificate, as the ISP predicts 300,000 applications the first year.
7. It is the result of the first genuine bi-partisan effort I've seen in the General Assembly in recent years (Congress take note).
8. Did I mention it replaced an almost complete prohibition?

This is something to build upon. We are in it for the long haul and we will not be silent.

 

[Hill_Country]

THIS person from Texas doesn't think the IL law is a joke. It is a heck of a lot better than what you had and better than many states. The first Texas cc law had some unnecessary restrictions, but many of them have been relaxed when the sky didn't fall and it was obvious they weren't necessary.

Well done to everyone who had a hand in the new law. We shouldn't be satisfied until we have nothing less than full constitutional carry, but ya gotta start somewhere.

 

[bluegrassarms]

I sure dont' think so. Double posting from another thread, but I see this is a positional victory for pro gun forces, and the legislators and supporters there deserve congrats.

From here on out the battles will be not about who can carry and whether they can carry, but where they can carry. As Hill Country pointed out, lots of states (even Kentucky which had a pretty liberal standard) have seen restrictions removed over time as stereotyped predictions of Yosemite Sam running down the streets have proven false, hopefully Illinois will follow suit.

Even if it doesn't, outside of Chicago as long as businesses don't throw up their own signs I can see people being able to carry like those in more pro-carry states for the most part. What is being done to the poorest areas in Chicago is an affront, but it's the best deal that was going to get done and a victory in the big picture.

I'd say enjoy your new found freedom, but we here all know the freedom was there all along, so enjoy having had it at least partially restored.

PS -- what is the range qualification? In Ky it's 11 out of 20 rounds anywhere inside the ink of a b-21 standard police silhouette at 7 yards. If it's easier than that.... lol.

 

[TACC1]

Heartfelt congratulations! That "safe harbor" issue
sounds good, too. I get a little tensed up sometimes
when driving thru certain areas. Better days are on the way!
TACC1

 

[chud333]

Congrats to all our Illinois friends.
Here in Indiana we are and have been (Free)
forever. The best state for carry in the Union.
Stay on top of the naysayers there and those
who will try and fill the press with un-truths.

Chuck

 

[cmort666]

1. Where do lots of violent crimes against INNOCENT people seem to happen in Chicago? Parks and beaches.
2. Where is carry forbidden? Parks and beaches, if I'm not mistaken.

Sounds like a law authorizing people to carry bear spray... except in forests, woods, and places where bears are likely to be encountered...

 

[sctman800]

Qualifing might be pretty tough, it uses a B-29 target and total of 30 rounds. Ten shots at 5 yards, ten shots at 7 yards and ten rounds at 10 yards. As long as the round hits the target it counts but you must have a total of 21 rounds out of the 30. At least as far as I know there is no time limit so you can take plenty of time. Jim.

 

[heavyharmonies]

B-27 actually, not B-29.

(b) An applicant for a new license shall provide proof of completion of a firearms training course or combination of courses approved by the Department of at least 16 hours, which includes range qualification time under subsection (c) of this Section, that covers the following:
(1) firearm safety;
(2) the basic principles of marksmanship;
(3) care, cleaning, loading, and unloading of a concealable firearm;
(4) all applicable State and federal laws relating to the ownership, storage, carry, and transportation of a firearm; and
(5) instruction on the appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a concealed firearm.
(c) An applicant for a new license shall provide proof of certification by a certified instructor that the applicant passed a live fire exercise with a concealable firearm consisting of:
(1) a minimum of 30 rounds; and
(2) 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards; 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards; and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards at a B-27 silhouette target approved by the Department.
(d) An applicant for renewal of a license shall provide proof of completion of a firearms training course or combination of courses approved by the Department of at least 3 hours.
(e) A certificate of completion for an applicant's firearm training course shall not be issued to a student who:
(1) does not follow the orders of the certified firearms instructor;
(2) in the judgment of the certified instructor, handles a firearm in a manner that poses a danger to the student or to others; or
(3) during the range firing portion of testing fails to hit the target with 70% of the rounds fired.
(f) An instructor shall maintain a record of each student's performance for at least 5 years, and shall make all records available upon demand of authorized personnel of the Department.
(g) The Department and certified firearms instructor shall recognize up to 8 hours of training already completed toward the 16 hour training requirement under this Section if the training course is approved by the Department and recognized under the laws of another state. Any remaining hours that the applicant completes must at least cover the classroom subject matter of paragraph (4) of subsection (b) of this Section, and the range qualification in subsection (c) of this Section.

 

[MichiganScott]

It's not that far off from the original Michigan carry legislation. Now the Illinois politicians can do like Michigan and slowly modify the law for the better.

 

[66Park]

1. Where do lots of violent crimes against INNOCENT people seem to happen in Chicago? Parks and beaches.
2. Where is carry forbidden? Parks and beaches, if I'm not mistaken.

Sounds like a law authorizing people to carry bear spray... except in forests, woods, and places where bears are likely to be encountered...

Of course this makes no sense to you because you know what you're talking about. The bulk of Illinois politicians have no ability whatsoever to differentiate criminals with illegally obtained guns from law abiding citizens with a FOID card, a legally obtained gun, and a license to carry. To them, all people with guns are the same and are a danger. So, to them it follows that they need to prohibit guns in the places with the most violence. I often wonder how these people had a high enough IQ to make it through the sixth grade, yet they are running things, and the other morons keep voting for them.

 

[GaryS]

I think it's a good start. There is some hoop jumping to be sure in the requirements for the class, but that can be worked on.

The shall issue part is huge. That's much better than states that are "May Issue".

Of course if crime should drop after this, it will be mere coincidence to the politicians who opposed it. /sarcasm

Congratulations IL, it's been a long time coming. Congratulations also to the Second Amendment Foundation and other organizations that fought for this.

 

[yeti]

Of course this makes no sense to you because you know what you're talking about. The bulk of Illinois politicians have no ability whatsoever to differentiate criminals with illegally obtained guns from law abiding citizens with a FOID card, a legally obtained gun, and a license to carry. To them, all people with guns are the same and are a danger. So, to them it follows that they need to prohibit guns in the places with the most violence. I often wonder how these people had a high enough IQ to make it through the sixth grade, yet they are running things, and the other morons keep voting for them.

66 has summed up the situation pretty accurately, but I don't believe it is/was stupidity. It is a control issue and intellectual dishonesty on parade.
Perhaps our tide has turned now? I am pleased about the new law, but it was long overdue. When the antis prophecy of complete anarchy doesn't come to fruition we can work on crafting a better less restrictive law.

 

[66Park]

66 has summed up the situation pretty accurately, but I don't believe it is/was stupidity. It is a control issue and intellectual dishonesty on parade.
Perhaps our tide has turned now? I am pleased about the new law, but it was long overdue. When the antis prophecy of complete anarchy doesn't come to fruition we can work on crafting a better less restrictive law.

I think it is both control and stupidity. A lot of these people know nothing about guns, or the mindset of people like you and me, who are law abiding gun owners. They believe what they believe, and no amount of facts or logic is going to get in their way. Then there are those that just want to control the population - and there are lots of those.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I think it is both control and stupidity. A lot of these people know nothing about guns, or the mindset of people like you and me, who are law abiding gun owners. They believe what they believe, and no amount of facts or logic is going to get in their way. Then there are those that just want to control the population - and there are lots of those.

And, worse, they are proud of their ignorance of guns and gun owners. "I've never touched a gun in my entire life!" they'll proclaim.

ECS

 

[66Park]

And, worse, they are proud of their ignorance of guns and gun owners. "I've never touched a gun in my entire life!" they'll proclaim.

ECS

Arrgh...it's a difficult mindset to comprehend.

 

[yeti]

For us, it really is hard to understand that mindset.
Some folks let their emotions guide them to some staggering silly conclusions.

 

[Duster340]

It isn't perfect, but hey, it's a step in the right direction. It'll be nice not having to pull over when I cross the IL state line coming & going to get my pistol from the trunk, or putting back in the trunk. Ironic that the Utah CC permit allows me to legally carry pretty much anywhere I go, except in my home state LOL. Bottom line, IL is finally getting with the program.

 

[PIMking]

16 hours of training? Holy ****.. I'm sure those who are shooting one another in Chicago will go through those classes.

I do like the live fire requirements though

 

[Malpasowildlifer]

Congrats to all in the Land of Lincoln

 

[cmort666]

Of course this makes no sense to you because you know what you're talking about. The bulk of Illinois politicians have no ability whatsoever to differentiate criminals with illegally obtained guns from law abiding citizens with a FOID card, a legally obtained gun, and a license to carry. To them, all people with guns are the same and are a danger. So, to them it follows that they need to prohibit guns in the places with the most violence. I often wonder how these people had a high enough IQ to make it through the sixth grade, yet they are running things, and the other morons keep voting for them.

Having grown up and lived in Chicago for 20+ years, I think that it's more of a case of criminals protecting other criminals.

A study of the relative incarceration rates of people who lawfully carry firearms versus that of members of the Chicago City Council would be VERY interesting...

 

[66Park]

Having grown up and lived in Chicago for 20+ years, I think that it's more of a case of criminals protecting other criminals.

A study of the relative incarceration rates of people who lawfully carry firearms versus that of members of the Chicago City Council would be VERY interesting...

Oh, yeah. I have no doubt. The corruption in this city, and the entire state, is staggering.

 

[johngalt]

I see a lot of posts that this is 'a good start', and I hope the law is improved in the future. I'm not optimistic though.

I left IL 25 years ago. In that time, I'm not aware of ANY improvements for gun owners, it has only gotten worse. The ONLY reason you have a CCW law is the 7th court. This was your one and only chance. Now that the Chicago controlled legislature got the court decision off their back, they have no incentive to give any more ground, and they won't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is it.

 

[Neumann]

I'm not sure anything will get better in the near future. We can expect that anti-gun legislators like Eddie Acevedo will continue attach AWBs and magazine limits to unrelated bills, and see them brought to a vote with little or no notification. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.