CCW instructor arrested.

[Chuck1217]

Can't help but wonder if that lady ever realized she just defeated her own argument. Dealing with that 'type' can be funny, if it wasn't so frustrating.

 

[palmetto99]

I've been waiting for something like this to happen. About ten years ago, one had to look very hard to find an instructor and class for the SC CWP. Now, they seem to be everywhere. All of the instructor I have met and know are very above board and good instructors. The fellow that was busted by SLED has been an instructor since 1998 (I think) and I figure he just got lazy.

 

[thndrchiken]

What's the problem? I teach private flying lessons. Anywhere else they're over $7,000 and take a full year. I do it for $1000 , you take a short yes/no test and get you your certificate in 10 days!

Another issue...why do we permit drivers to get a license with a brainless "Rules of the road" test and a drive around the block? We license the masses to drive a 3000 pound missle on our highways at 70 mph with very little training, yet scream that gun carriers must go through many days of classroom and range effort. Don't get me wrong...I'm all for PROPER training, but find the automobile vs. gun owners comparison totally inadequate on the vehicle side. Recently, I had a discussion with an "anti-gun" woman who thought guns were "deadly and should be banned." I asked her about cars and she replied. "Cars don't kill, it's the idiot drivers that cause the problems."

'Nuff said!

I'm with you on this argument.

 

[Gray Rider]

First off let me say that I'm all for the proper training in the use of firearms, but having said that I wonder why its eight hours. My point is it's totally arbitrary, set up when the law was written by law makers who have no idea of how much time it would take and is based on nothing more than "eight hours sounds good."

I took my original hunter's safety course in the early 70's. I took it on a Saturday morning, with a bunch of other adolescent boys, and it took three or four hours. Flash forward twenty years when I retook it with my son. It was now a twelve hour course, there was no new information and there was a whole lot of filler and many breaks because, the fact is, there just isn't twelve hours worth of info to impart.

One hour is definitely too little but the if the goal is to teach people the law and how to carry firearms in a responsible manner, how much time should it really take?

 

[dcxplant]

It takes as much time as the reluctant nitwits in the state legislature who have never owned nor shot a gun before thinks it takes, in their opinion!

 

[Moonman]

Time is one thing, WHAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE LAW "IS THE LAW PERIOD."

Obey it or suffer the consequences, LEO"S, ATTORNEYS, JUDGES, JURIES and APPELLATE COURTS don't deal with your opinions, the FACTS OF LAW COUNT.

 

[ButchG17]

The Wisconsin law says you have to receive training. No set time at all. No test to pass or fail.

I don't think the second amendment says anything about taking a safety course prior to exercising your right to carry a weapon.

I support training, and am a safety instructor myself, but I do not agree it should be required.

Exactly!

How long (and much $) is the training class to 'properly' exercise your First Amendment RIGHTS? And how much should the permit to voice your opinion or go to church cost?

On the other hand I don't want just anyone to be able to buy a gun and stuff it in their pants having no idea how it works or how to keep safe handling it.

That's my conundrum!

That's how it was in Minnesota till 1975....no permit required. That's how it is right now in Vermont, Arizona, and Alaska.....is it a problem?

Keep in mind that training and/or permits aren't likely to be much of an obstacle to fools or criminals, they'll carry anyway.

While I seriously disagree with the training and permit requirements, I do agree that the 'instructor' was ripping off his students and should pay for it.

 

[Lost Lake]

What's the problem? I teach private flying lessons. Anywhere else they're over $7,000 and take a full year. I do it for $1000 , you take a short yes/no test and get you your certificate in 10 days!

Another issue...why do we permit drivers to get a license with a brainless "Rules of the road" test and a drive around the block? We license the masses to drive a 3000 pound missle on our highways at 70 mph with very little training, yet scream that gun carriers must go through many days of classroom and range effort. Don't get me wrong...I'm all for PROPER training, but find the automobile vs. gun owners comparison totally inadequate on the vehicle side. Recently, I had a discussion with an "anti-gun" woman who thought guns were "deadly and should be banned." I asked her about cars and she replied. "Cars don't kill, it's the idiot drivers that cause the problems."

'Nuff said!

One difference (and I am a pilot and a driver) is that these two licenses require the applicant to pass a skills test. With the CCW permit, the training IS the test. Get the training and you get the permit.

The next difference is the scope of the permit. With a CCW permit, you are allowed to carry anywhere at all times. With many driving licenses you are restricted for a while to a limited number of passengers, limited night driving, etc.

A new pilot cannot fly IFR, Multi, HP, taildragger, Commercial, etc. So while I believe you can teach someone to fly in 10 hours, that pilot will not shoot an ILS at minimums into O'Hare the next day.

BTW, did you tell the woman that cars kill many times the number of people that guns do?