CCW Reciprocity in Washington DC!!! I hope so!!!

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Well, I'd like to see National Reciprocity but at 76 I'm not going to make it. And I seriously doubt anyone reading this will either. The anti gun, woke, bleeding hearts are well entrenched, financed, organized and represented.

It's something along the line of a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet.
 
Ain't gonna happen. Even if it did, there are several states that have made it clear that they do not recognize all federal laws nor do they recognize all rights as defined in the U.S. constitution.
 
Honest answer…I really like CCW and the sense of / real measure of security it brings. With that being said, DC has enough places that are reasonably and sensibly "secured" that I think CCW for a tourist would be kind of silly.
 
Honest answer…I really like CCW and the sense of / real measure of security it brings. With that being said, DC has enough places that are reasonably and sensibly "secured" that I think CCW for a tourist would be kind of silly.
The Bill of Rights limits the powers of government. It shouldn't be subject to interpretation by States or Federal Districts.

Visitors shouldn't need a reason, but here's this years crime stats.

I wouldn't call that "reasonably and sensibly secured"...

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Honest answer…I really like CCW and the sense of / real measure of security it brings. With that being said, DC has enough places that are reasonably and sensibly "secured" that I think CCW for a tourist would be kind of silly.
Why single out DC? Replace the letters "DC" in your comment with the name of any state...you OK with that? And why single out tourists? Who gets to decide what is "sensibly secured"...and does someone in DC on business get to carry where a tourist cannot? I could go on to infinity with this one.
 
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The Bill of Rights limits the powers of government. It shouldn't be subject to interpretation by States or Federal Districts.

Visitors shouldn't need a reason, but here's this years crime stats.

I wouldn't call that "reasonably and sensibly secured"...

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I agree, but somehow I don't see being allowed to carry into the gallery or the actual federal campus, and there's enough security at those places to be ok. General DC tho? Strap up
 
The Bill of Rights limits the powers of government. It shouldn't be subject to interpretation by States or Federal Districts.

Visitors shouldn't need a reason, but here's this years crime stats.

I wouldn't call that "reasonably and sensibly secured"...

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Half the truth isn't the truth. On the same page you've posted scroll down and you'll see that crime in DC climbed dramatically from 2014 to 2023 and is down substantially in 2024 and is on track to fall in 2025.

Not a fan of invented emergencies. New Orleans, with roughly half DC's population, has 55 murders so far this year; it's being hailed as the lowest crime rate in almost 50 years. https://www.fox8live.com/2025/07/15/new-orleans-sees-historic-declines-murders-other-crimes/
 
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I suppose I should clarify my stance a little bit. I think that we should have the ability to carry in a lot of places, but there are some places where the potential for carry by almost anyone introduces a lot of risk for minimal gain. The prime example of this would be a sporting event, or someplace like the federal capital. As much as we all might disagree politically, we are peaceful, rational, reasonable people who do not use violence to further our political aims. We are also an extreme minority of people, and to provide effective security for our representatives and leaders, the security organizations do have a legitimate reason to seek a monopoly on force in those areas. It is functionally impossible to allow concealed carry into someplace like Congress and be able to maintain a defensible posture on one person one would have to have a literal shepherd on every visitor in every person in the building at all times. That is impossible.

I would even say this applies to many of the places on the national mall. There isn't really a threat there, and the police are Omni present. I would imagine that that's where the vast majority of the tourists in DC go.

Now, for DC residents, that's a different story. They should have the same rights afforded to them is every other American. They should be allowed to carry concealed weapons in their homes, as they go about their business, and as they recreate. They should also be afforded full representation in Congress, but that's a political issue that one party has fiercely resisted for decades because it advantages them to have Americans with fewer rights then the rest of us, so I won't discuss it any further.

I do think it is legitimate for anyone carrying a weapon in DC to understand that there are some very real reasons and restrictions on what is possible versus plausible and that their carriage should be adjusted to meet those realities.
 
Half the truth isn't the truth. On the same page you've posted scroll down and you'll see that crime in DC climbed dramatically from 2014 to 2023 and is down substantially in 2024 and is on track to fall in 2025.

Not a fan of invented emergencies. New Orleans, with roughly half DC's population, has 55 murders so far this year; it's being hailed as the lowest crime rate in almost 50 years. https://www.fox8live.com/2025/07/15/new-orleans-sees-historic-declines-murders-other-crimes/
Crime is down in many cities because criminals are not being charged or charged with a lesser offense. Be wary of crime statistics. As Benjamin Disraeli said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
 
Crime is down in many cities because criminals are not being charged or charged with a lesser offense. Be wary of crime statistics. As Benjamin Disraeli said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
No. The statistics (UCR and NIBRS) are from hard counts of crimes reported or discovered and arrests made - prosecution is not included. It's been that way since 1931.
 
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No. The statistics (UCR and NIBRS) are from hard counts of crimes reported or discovered and arrests made - prosecution is not included. It's been that way since 1931.
The statistics are predominantly from FBI UCR's and yes of "reported" crimes. You've said that you are a police "executive". Then you should be aware that those statistics aren't very accurate as various agencies flex and fudge those reports depending on political interference.

Furthermore DC in May suspended a precinct Commander for changing those reports to show a lowering of crime. According to the cops on the street, influencing the "reported crime" to downgrade its level has been ongoing throughout the MPD. It was union complaints that started this investigation. It goes a lot deeper than one "executive" at one precinct. Youshould know that.

Half truths? I find the all the quoting of DC stats and UCR's to be totally bogus. Either intentionally or by people who live a thousand miles away and know less than nothing about the reality of inner city street crime.
 
I was indeed an Area Commander (2 Districts combined) in an agency of 700 commissioned.

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As well, my masters thesis was on crime on the border for 6 specific years; I did hard counts from case files from each agency (and different prosecution numbers not in UCR from all District Attorneys on the border) in the study area and found they were dead on with their UCR submissions with less than 1% classification errors.

Can corrupt officials cook books? Sure, but that can't continue long without discovery - think Philadelphia and Chicago scandals many years ago. Your examples above illustrate that perfectly. The CompStat programs (known in NYPD as 'the capatain killer') gave unscrupulous commanders a reason to try, but they've never been able successfully deceive long-term - too many people know what reports are being filed, especially electronically.

Crime data isn't perfect, but no data is. But if you have an agenda that is unsupported by the data, unscrupulous people just claim the data is bad and do what they wanted to do anyway.
 
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No. The statistics (UCR and NIBRS) are from hard counts of crimes reported or discovered and arrests made - prosecution is not included. It's been that way since 1931.
It's not just prosecutions that I am referring to. Many states have de-criminalized or reduced felonious acts to misdemeanors. Doesn't that affect your statistics?
 
It's not just prosecutions that I am referring to. Many states have de-criminalized or reduced felonious acts to misdemeanors. Doesn't that affect your statistics?
Nope. Major crimes, the most used of crime data statistics, are not ever going to be 'reduced to misdemeanors.' The major crimes are murder (and non-negligent manslaughter), rape, robbery (theft by use or threatened use of force), and aggravated assault for violent crimes, then burglary, larceny, auto theft, and (for a while) arson for property crimes. Arrests are counted differently, but all are counted - that's because while major crimes are counted by what has occurred and been reported/discovered, arrest numbers go up or down based on police efforts - if police suddenly focus on making prostitution or drug arrests, that doesn't mean there are more of these crimes, it means police have added effort and work force to these issues.

The bottom line is that if someone claims they've made x arrests and seized x weapons in the last week, month, or year, there must be precisely that many arrest reports (including separate court documents) and similar evidence reporting to substantiate those claims or its just hot air.
 
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Can corrupt officials cook books? Sure, but that can't continue long without discovery...
Exactly. And substantial evidence has come out recently that police officials in DC have been cooking the books. That's why no rational person would, at this time, believe the DC crime statistics over the last couple of years.
 
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