Cessna 560 Crashes

[LVSteve]

I still think it was strange to have only 1 pilot flying. I got to fly in a Lear Jet once, got to sit in the jump seat for 30 min. or so. Two pilots. Must have been a "major malfunction". Will be interesting to see the final report.

From what I've read, single pilot operation of this type is pretty common, maybe even the norm.

Does the FAA require a plane of this type to be flown with the cockpit door locked? Somehow I doubt it. If there was access to the cockpit, you might wonder why the passengers wouldn't at least try the radio if the pilot was incapacitated. I reckon everyone on board was out for the count.

 

[M29since14]

I still think it was strange to have only 1 pilot flying. I got to fly in a Lear Jet once, got to sit in the jump seat for 30 min. or so. Two pilots. Must have been a "major malfunction". Will be interesting to see the final report.

Rudi, you think that's strange, just wait until they try to start herding us on to a commercial airliner that has no onboard pilot at all.

 

[ACORN]

I still think it was strange to have only 1 pilot flying. I got to fly in a Lear Jet once, got to sit in the jump seat for 30 min. or so. Two pilots. Must have been a "major malfunction". Will be interesting to see the final report.

Seems foolish to me.
Anyone can die at any time.
From what I understand there may have been no "black box".
I don't know what clues that there may be discernible after impact at that velocity.

 

[LVSteve]

Seems foolish to me.
Anyone can die at any time.
From what I understand there may have been no "black box".
I don't know what clues that there may be discernible after impact at that velocity.

We shall have to wait and see if the forensics process can reveal anything. "We don't know" is often a valid response when it comes to air accidents without a black box.

 

[Gamecock]

impact at that velocity.

In the 1960s, a Beechcraft Bonanza crashed in Hitchcock Woods, behind Aiken Estates, near where I lived in Aiken, SC.

It appeared a VFR pilot got himself into a storm, and, as many non-instrument trained pilots do, believed his butt and not his instruments, and flew it straight into the ground.

I bring it up to you now to say how complete the destruction was. It made a 20' deep crater. Identification was impossible. They found small pieces of people.

JFK Jr made the identical mistake.

May not have been as bad for this crash. I.e., it may have fallen, rather than having been flown into the ground. But, yeah, all are equally dead.

 

[ACORN]

From what I've heard the pilot was slumped to the right. Plane banked right and spiraled into the ground.

 

[Secundius]

I doubt it, Acorn. Someone would have figured out how to use the radio. And would have waved at the chase plane.

If the pilot was unconscious, then it's also possible that passengers were also unconscious. Also the plane was making a gradual descent, where the passengers in the passenger compartment might not have been aware of their impending doom…


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[Rudi]

Rudi, you think that's strange, just wait until they try to start herding us on to a commercial airliner that has no onboard pilot at all.

My flying days are long over. Happy about that, watch too many Mentour Pilot vids.

 

[Beemerguy53]

I live at 5000+' and have spent a lot of years skiing and hiking at higher elevations,but in my mid 50's to early 60s hiking long distances at 12-13000' was grueling and did affect my judgement significantly.

I've been to your fair state a number of times, and experienced mild symptoms in Pueblo and Colorado Springs. Back in 2005, when I was "only" 52, I went to the top of Pike's Peak -- the highest I've ever been outside of an airliner -- but I doubt I could do that today.

 

[Retired W4]

Single pilot ops in a C-560 is not the norm. A 500 or 525 yes, but a 560 requires special qualification. As for the last minute of that flight, I'll bet you $ it finally ran out of fuel. When that happens the autopilot will try to maintain the selected altitude, loosing airspeed in the process, until a full stall occurs.

No line pilot trains for a stall in that aircraft. The sym, yes. We are trained to react to the approach to the stall (stall warning horn). If you ignore that you get stick shaker. I would fly with the factory production test pilot on accepting flights for the Army and we would do full stalls in the C560/UC-35. I can tell you, from first hand experience, a stall in that thing is quick and ugly. It will flip inverted in a heart beat. If you let the stall go that far, good luck.

As an aside, no post crash fire almost always indicates no fuel on board.