Charles Krauthammer "Disarm the Citizenry.

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Wow, I've always agreed with most of his commentary, but never knew his stance on gun control. I believe I will have to rethink my admiration for him. Although that was 15 years ago. I wonder if he has changed his tune.
 
"domestic tranquility" is all in the eye of the beholder. I've never been to GB but have been to Canada and know the mugging/shootings/armed robberies/stabbings that took place within walking distance of the nice parts of town I was staying in were not isolated events. Thanks just the same, I'll keep the good ol USA with all its flaws but at least some provision for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
 
I am unfamiliar with his political leanings, and the article is old, but I'll comment on it anyway, it sounds similar to much that we hear today.

An interesting hypothesis:
"the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security."

I'd like to see the statistics before and after the ban. Probably not statistically different, I bet.

He does make a valid point:

"De-escalation begins with a change in mentality. And that change in mentality starts with the symbolic yielding of certain types of weapons. The real steps, like the banning of handguns, will never occur unless this one is taken first, and even then not for decades."

If you want to disarm a populace that is used to and relies on currently legal arms for self-defense and hunting, you have to change the mindset over time, several generations, a tiny bit at a time. Trying to pass "all-or-nothing" legislation just won't work well.


Where his argument fails, in my opinion, is comparing the US to the socialist countries of England and Canada. Their governments mostly take care of EVERYone. Half the population can stay at home entitled to food and rent assistance, the other half works to support themselves and the stay-at-home entitled. When you can sit home, play video games, watch TV, eat, and you don't have to earn it, you are 'gentled.' No need to go out and commit a crime, you can sit home, fat, dumb, and happy, with no pride and no responsibility. You want anything, just ask. If the government, for generations looking out for your best interest and telling you how to live, says that to continue your entitlement you need to give up your guns, what do you think they will do?


Although we sometimes look like we are moving towards an entitlement government, we are not, yet. We have individual rights, and we should be responsible for them. Our ancestors came from those entitlement, controlling countries to make something better. We are supposed to make our life on our own two feet. And that comes at a price.


More locally focused, a couple of things always stick in my mind what I hear someone wants to take my guns away:

Law abiding citizens are just that, law-abiding. The criminals are by definition NOT law-abiding. If the law says no guns, I, being a law-abiding citizen, will give up my guns. But the criminal, NOT law abiding, will of course not follow the law. Thus, if the criminal has access to a firearm to commit an offense against me it would be unfair, even inhumane, to take an equal opportunity away from me to defend myself.

The police do NOT protect and serve, and are protected by law from the responsibility of doing that. I do know a few cops and I am sure they would protect and defend me if they knew ahead of time that I was going to experience an armed home invasion or a street-corner mugging. But of course they don't see into the future. I also know that they cannot be in two places at once. If the police come to your house to defend you from an armed home invasion, they cannot come to my house at the same time; that just won't work in my town, with one officer on duty at any time.

And our constitution says I can have a firearm and I can bear it. The very people who thought England was too oppressive and started a new country because of that oppression wrote and approved that.



As an aside, Krauthammer's murder statistics might be correct for 1992, but more recently, according to the FBI in 2009, there were 13,636 total murders in the 50 states, of those 9,146 were by firearms, and of those 6,452 were by handguns.
Compare this to NHTSA date from 2008 - 34,172 motor vehicle deaths, of which 5,312 (more than double the 1998 count, by the way) were motorcycles.
And they want to take my guns away from me.
 
When times are fairly tranquil, we have the luxury of these intellectual exercises. I suspect that there is a bit more introspection going on in the Madison WI area with all the death threats being flung around by those peace-loving demonstrators.

There was some mention that if this keeps up WI could wind up with CCW yet.

As for Krauthammer, I wouldn't be surprised to see his position evolve over time.
 
I think it just depends on how you want to be victimized. do you want to be strangled with wire, bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat, have your throat slit? the list goes on. I prefer to go rather quickly if it ever comes to that. none of that up close personal stuff for me. I want to go like the mafia, one in the back of the head. "nothin personal, just business".
 
I think it just depends on how you want to be victimized. do you want to be strangled with wire, bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat, have your throat slit? the list goes on. I prefer to go rather quickly if it ever comes to that. none of that up close personal stuff for me. I want to go like the mafia, one in the back of the head. "nothin personal, just business".

Not me, surrounded by empty shell casings I want to see my last enemy die 2 seconds before I do. Ahhh bliss. :)
 
We can continue with this mental masturbation till the cows come home, but the bottom line is........we just aren't that civilized. And taking away our guns is not going to make us more civilized. It never ceases to amaze me what a man is capable of doing to another man once he reduces him to something less than himself. I believe our evolution is far more complex than a gun ban. But what do I know.
 
We can continue with this mental masturbation till the cows come home, but the bottom line is........we just aren't that civilized. And taking away our guns is not going to make us more civilized. It never ceases to amaze me what a man is capable of doing to another man once he reduces him to something less than himself. I believe our evolution is far more complex than a gun ban. But what do I know.

+1 and added that it seems that for the vast majority our evolution is spiraling down instead of up.This is why the "smarter,more civil folks"need to control us.We're just animals and can't take care of ourselves.:rolleyes:
How many people have died from my bad decisions?None.
 
+1 and added that it seems that for the vast majority our evolution is spiraling down instead of up.This is why the "smarter,more civil folks"need to control us.We're just animals and can't take care of ourselves.:rolleyes:
How many people have died from my bad decisions?None.

+2 with one exception.......those "smarter, more civil folks" don't exist. We didn't get to where we are because we're just uncivilized animals......we've been enslaved to a system of work, debt and control having given us no time to look up and check on what the politicians, corporate businessmen and bankers were doing to us via our money supply. The vast majority of people are decent. It's that 1% that's uncivilized. Unfortunately, they run everything.
 
Oh,"They" do exist.Just ask them and they will tell you without telling you anything at all.

Slippery kind of smarts.
 
Ah ambiguity........the safe haven for those who lack answers and that "slippery kinda smarts." :rolleyes:

Bingo,I was gonna name names but didn't want the door slammed in my face.All here pretty much know who the players are,then and now.So I use the terms like "They" and "Them".
 
When was the last time you saw an "intelectual" change his position on anything? To much ego at stake here to benefit the common man. We have spent much to much time trying to convince these people of the values we cherish.
 
Not every conservative or neo-con adheres to the "Party Line" 100% just as not every liberal adheres to their Party Line 100%.
 
"Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquillity of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain."

Sipsey Street Irregulars: For those of you who thought the Krauthammer quote was tongue-in-cheek. It wasn't. Never trust a neo-con.

I wonder how he got so smart?

I think I'd prefer to live in an uncivilized society as a free man. Krauthammer can give up his guns (but I'll bet he doesn't plan to).
 
Disarmed society is less prone to crime?

One only has to look at Chicago, New York, DC, E. St. Louis etc. to see what a load of BS that is. Take a look at the Swiss where owning full auto weapons and seeing them being carried on the streets by everyday people, you don't see gun battles on the street there every day. We don't need our guns to protect us from the drug crazed crack-heads, they are to protect us from our gov. and that is what the framers had in mind.
 
Who says "domestic tranquility" is a good thing. It's contrary to human nature. China has domestic tranquility, be tranquil or get a bullet in the base of your skull. No thanks. Joe
 
Wow, I've always agreed with most of his commentary, but never knew his stance on gun control. I believe I will have to rethink my admiration for him. Although that was 15 years ago. I wonder if he has changed his tune.
I bet he has.....maybe we should write and ask him?
 
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