Charlie Kirk Shot

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ladder13 said:
Matthew Dowd has been fired. What took so long?
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I am actually against this. He has a 1st amendment right to say what ever stupid thing he wants. I know that the news channel has the right to fire him but they would need to fire so many more people that work for them because of the insanely stupid things they say on a daily basis. The news channel he was on is already on life support. I would be happy if they had more people like him to send them to the trash heap of unwatched news programs.
 
There are videos from individuals showing someone on the roof of a nearby structure before the assassination and they are heard saying "Look at that person on the roof". Why would they not tell someone of authority about it?? Even if it turned out to be nothing, what would be the harm?
 
Breakaway500 said:
There are videos from individuals showing someone on the roof of a nearby structure before the assassination and they are heard saying "Look at that person on the roof". Why would they not tell someone of authority about it?? Even if it turned out to be nothing, what would be the harm?
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How do you know they didn't?
That video lasted literally just seconds and has zero context.
 
IAM Rand said:
I am actually against this. He has a 1st amendment right to say what ever stupid thing he wants. I know that the news channel has the right to fire him but they would need to fire so many more people that work for them because of the insanely stupid things they say on a daily basis. The news channel he was on is already on life support. I would be happy if they had more people like him to send them to the trash heap of unwatched news programs.
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Dowd's first Amendment protections remain intact since he was fired by his employer for poor job performance; not arrested and criminally charged by government.

As an ex-employee he can continue to spout all the vile comments he chooses without fear of government prosecution.

There are legitimate consequences to free speech outside of any criminal ramifications.

His ex-employer ought to fire more of their irresponsible employees.
 
So...about palm prints and forearm impressions. Unless you have the suspect against whom you can compare these, they just sound cool. Palm prints are very (very) seldom taken from people except as 'major case prints,' wherein you capture impressions from palms and sides of hands - these are not taken broadly, like the ten-print impressions most folks have had ad nauseum for employment or the military or in criminal arrests. If this suspect hasn't had major case prints taken before, and I've taken these maybe 3 times in 21 years of police service, the prints aren't going to be useful in establishing an identity pre-arrest; think James Earl Ray after a thumb or fingerprint was found on the rifle used to shoot MLK.
 
IAM Rand said:
Couple of things, There have been people in the media saying this was a professional hit. I seriously doubt it. I have a feeling that the shooter was trying for a head shot to make a bigger "impact." Someone wanted to do to Charlie what they tried to do with Pres. Trump in PA. I have a feeling that the person didn't count for bullet drop and therefore he was hit in the neck. Someone with real knowledge of shooting would have gone for the safe chest shot.

2nd thing is that this was most likely done by someone that had knowledge of shooting but not a big hunter or gun person. Probably someone that has been dabbling for the last year or 2. 200 yards is not a big deal for the average hunter. I have my rifles under an inch at 100 yards. I have taken a Pronghorn at 460 yards and that is not a big deal. Some of the rifle and scope systems could probably hit a fly at 100 yards. So considering that Charlie was hit in the neck confirms that it was someone without much experience.

3rd, the security around Charlie needs to be held accountable. There is 1 thing that could have saved Charlie Kirk that, from what it appears, was not used. If they had a drone there, that would have saved his life. I know, Monday morning QB. If they had a drone, it would have definitely have caught the shooter on the roof. If they did have a drone then it was only used for the crowd closest to him and not looking for threats farther out.

Lastly, we, certain people in the United States, have normalized poor mental health. The ACLU did no favors to the country when it sued to let people with mental health issues out if they are not considered a danger to themselves or someone else. I think I could make a case that homeless people and people with addiction issues ARE a danger to themselves at the very least. We have made it normal to dress as a cat or a dog or whatever animal and people around them have to treat them as such. We have made it normal to let children go to strip shows and even encouraged it. We have made it normal for our politicians to call for violence against their opponents or any one they disagree with. I say we because if we aren't opposing it at every turn we are giving acceptance by silence.

Something has to change with mental health. We may have to go back to some kind of involuntary mental health hold to help these people.
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Medical textbooks have been altered to declare people previously described as mentally ill to be perfectly sane and normal human beings.
 
I was trying not to comment on this thread due to it being inherently political, but I have to say one thing.

Those who do not have a Biblical worldview do not see murder as wrong, only as expedient. The person may or may not be a leftist nut, a right wing nut, etc., but he is of his father, the father of lies.
 
I followed Charlie Kirks career. He was a polite, friendly, Christian who was conservative. His method of spreading his opinion was to go to college campuses and politely debate those who disagreed with him. He believed polite debate was the answer. Check the internet now to see who is celebrating his death. Yes, some people are. Prayers for his family.
 
IAM Rand said:
I am actually against this. He has a 1st amendment right to say what ever stupid thing he wants. I know that the news channel has the right to fire him but they would need to fire so many more people that work for them because of the insanely stupid things they say on a daily basis. The news channel he was on is already on life support. I would be happy if they had more people like him to send them to the trash heap of unwatched news programs.
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New York is an "at will" state which means he can be fired for any reason or no reason.

Misrepresentation or simply making the company look bad is enough of a reason.

Just because we can speak freely doesn't mean we should.

Lack of common sense is another reason to get canned.
 
From today's NYT:

...You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion. When the left thought its hold on the hearts and minds of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up again and again to break it. Slowly, then all at once, he did. College-age voters shifted sharply right in the 2024 election.

That was not all Kirk's doing, but he was central in laying the groundwork for it. I did not know Kirk, and I am not the right person to eulogize him. But I envied what he built. A taste for disagreement is a virtue in a democracy. Liberalism could use more of his moxie and fearlessness. In the inaugural episode of his podcast, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California hosted Kirk, admitting that his son was a huge fan. What a testament to Kirk's project....

Gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
 
tlawler said:
He wasn't killed for what he was; he was killed for what he had the potential of becoming. Someone on the other side realized he would become a major political player working against their agenda and took preemptive action.
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Not only that but the fact that he resonated well with young, impressionable, college aged people. Someone so passionate about a subject, belief or agenda can sometimes enlighten others with opposing views with the truth common sense and facts that turn them around 180º. I guess the the assassin could just not deal with that possibility.

I would not be surprised if the shooter is someone who he interacted with at one of his rally's. As someone who never went to college (not that gettin a college degree means that much today - common sense is more important) he was a brilliant debater, he could think quick on his feet, and had a way of making stubborn, misguided and brain washed youths see their own flaws in their thinking and conclusions. That is VERY dangerous to the opposition and I guess they were threatened enough to assassinate him.

I originally thought this was the work of a professional (still might wind up being that way) but even if it isn't, whoever took the shot was well trained, experienced and knew what he was doing - unfortunate for Charlie! This entire thing sickens me and saddens me that our Country has strolled down this path. We can point fingers at many, but at the end of the day the uninformed voters are ultimately responsible for electing bad leaders, covering them up and wanting their hidden agenda.
 
It has been asked," how did the shooter get off campus?"
Maybe they're not. Might be sitting at a desk in an office.

My thoughts are with him and his family, and with the many people he has touched in a positive manner.
 
Kanewpadle said:
New York is an "at will" state which means he can be fired for any reason or no reason.

Misrepresentation or simply making the company look bad is enough of a reason.

Just because we can speak freely doesn't mean we should.

Lack of common sense is another reason to get canned.
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More to the point, he's absolutely free to say anything he wants. He, like any of us, is not free of the consequences, nor should he have spoken this on behalf of MSNBC.
 
biku324 said:
I just doubt most podcasters' security personnel, if any, use wide-ranging drones. Same-same small PDs and university police & security.
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As a retired (11 years now) Director of Campus Safety (armed officers) with 32 years in that position I can say with confidence many campus security and police departments operate on limited resources. They are professional and do the best job that they can. Bringing in local LE or supplemental event security for event screening costs money. Usually the local LE officers are off duty and are paid overtime which is then reimbursed by the college or university. In my years I have coordinated many campus events with high profile political figures and former heads of state. An event inside is much easier to secure and monitor. All of our access hatches / doors to roofs stayed secure 24/7 as a matter of general safety. The security landscape is constantly changing and it makes the job of security such events even more difficult than in the past.

Prayers for the family, those that witnessed the tragedy and for all the Law Enforcement Officers working to bring closure to the case.
 
venomballistics said:
More to the point, he's absolutely free to say anything he wants. He, like any of us, is not free of the consequences, nor should he have spoken this on behalf of MSNBC.
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The last twenty years, mainstream news outlets have been melding opinion with hard news creating biased narratives. Many viewers believe it's real news instead of opinion. All news sources need to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.
 
The FBI has released fotos of the perp. Also, they have the rifle, Mauser 30.06. They have prints as well.
 

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Political assassinations are a sad commentary on the current social and political environment in the US but when you constantly spew hatred karma has a way of catching up to you.
 
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Technocircus316 said:
crazies on both sides which side stormed on jan 6th, took a hammer to pelosi husband, and shot 2 Minnesota reps i don't think its one side or the other just loons on both sides. Once upon a time both parties had two groups within themselves. you had republican moderates and conservatives same on the other side but now seems you either have to be crazy left or crazy right . Whatever happened to the middle
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From Rutgers University:


Assassination Culture: How Burning Teslas and Killing Billionaires Became a Meme Aesthetic for Political Violence

Introduction

Political violence targeting Donald Trump and Elon Musk is becoming increasingly normalized.

Following the July 13, 2024 attempted assassination of President Trump, tolerance - and even

advocacy - for political violence appears to have surged, especially among politically left-leaning

segments of the population. This pattern builds on a broader trend NCRI identified in two December

2024 reports which analyzed how viral social media narratives were legitimizing political violence,

particularly in the aftermath of the UnitedHealthcare CEO's assassination.

1 The reports found

widespread justification for lethal violence - including assassination - among younger, highly online,

and ideologically left-aligned users. A spillover effect into offline domains is already occurring, as

illustrated by a ballot measure recently submitted in California that is macabrely named "the Luigi

Mangione Access to Health Care Act.

"2

A broader "assassination culture" appears to be emerging within segments of the U.S. public on the

extreme left. NCRI empirically assessed this shift with original survey data and open source

intelligence analysis to assess how normalized and justified violence against the administration has

become in public discourse. The findings signal a threat to political stability and public safety.
 
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