Chiefs Special 9mm

[KWIndy]

I realize that at least 1 major vendor seems to sometimes mix these things up, but the CS guns only have 2 recoil springs, and they're broken down by caliber.

The 9mm models, meaning all versions (C, S & D models,) use a red spring, SW factory part number #26321000.

The .45/.40 models use the same green spring, S&W factory part number 26331000. Yes, the factory parts list will add the description "inside" after "recoil spring", even though there's only ONE recoil spring (and not a nested pair like the inside/outside recoil springs used for the compact .40/.45's).

I remember asking a couple of the factory LE parts/support guys why they were listed that way, and they basically just sighed and said that somebody else wrote the parts lists and sometimes things slipped by the editing. (Much the same explanation I used to receive when asking about reversed pics or typos in armorer manuals, comes to that. )

If you get a red CS recoil spring, it's for the CS9, and if you get a green CS recoil spring, it's for the CS45/40's.

So I went ahead and ordered that spring from Midway. What would be the downside if I put A CS40 /45 recoil spring in a CS9? It won't cycle correctly?
I ordered it for the heck of it, can't find CS9 recoil spring and a CS45 may be in my future anyway

 

[Fastbolt]

So I went ahead and ordered that spring from Midway. What would be the downside if I put A CS40 /45 recoil spring in a CS9? It won't cycle correctly?
I ordered it for the heck of it, can't find CS9 recoil spring and a CS45 may be in my future anyway

Dunno, since I've never tried the heaver CS45/40 recoil spring in my CS9. No reason to try it. Probably lead to functioning issues.

 

[KWIndy]

Does anyone have the part number for the 3913TSW Buttplate?

Not the whole mag, just the buttplate.

 

[max503]

I bought a CS9 a month ago. What a fantastic pistol. None of that Failure to feed or failure to eject or stovepipe stuff that has happened on my plastic pistols.

My local Farm store has a clearance on the small Ruger 9's. Anywhere from $199 to $229. That seems like a good price but I don't want something that jams even once every couple hundred rounds.
Were these the plastic pistols you were referring to?

 

[KWIndy]

My local Farm store has a clearance on the small Ruger 9's. Anywhere from $199 to $229. That seems like a good price but I don't want something that jams even once every couple hundred rounds.
Were these the plastic pistols you were referring to?

All I can is I have a Ruger LCP that has performed flawlessly for hundreds of rounds.

 

[Fastbolt]

Does anyone have the part number for the 3913TSW Buttplate?

Not the whole mag, just the buttplate.

The original wide/flat buttplate? Obsolete part. Last time (a few years ago) I called to order it (as a LE armorer) I was told that part was no longer stocked or ordered.

The regular curved and flat buttplates are still being used on currently produced 3913/908 magazines, and the CS9 magazines seem to get the curved ones.

Curved plate on left and original 3913TSW plate on right.


Curved buttplate on a CS9 mag.


Original flat/wide buttplate on a CS9 mag.



Now, just to show how sometimes things may get misplaced at the factory, several years ago, when I'd been told the original TSW buttplates were no longer available as separate replacement parts for any of the CS guns, my agency received a large box of spare mags for our late production 4513/4566TSW's (7 & 8rd mags).

Mixed up in the large box of mags was a brand new 6rd original 4513TSW mag, with the original wide/flat buttplate. Who knows how long that mag had been sitting in the wrong box in the parts dept? I was the only guy on the staff who owned an original 4513TSW that used 6rd mags, so the guy in charge of the unit asked me if I'd take it off his hands, because it wasn't worth sending back and he didn't want to toss it in the trash.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I love these resurrected threads!

My CS-45 has not been frequently carried of late but it could make a comeback soon, especially if I change the stocks. My CS-9 is in limbo until I replace the springs in the magazine because it became a jamamatic and I have been a little too preoccupied with rebuilding my house to deal with such matters. I actually substituted a Walther CCP for now, but even that has taken a back seat most days (but not always) to my pocket carried M649.

The CS-9 WILL BE BACK! I really like it.

CS-9:

CS-45:

Better picture of CS-9:

CCP:

The real Chief's Special:

PS:

I didn't know that the CS series came in blue until maybe two years ago. They were not discussed much here, I never asked, and I just figured that they were all stainless like my CS-45. Then a few years ago a discussion ensued and I learned the truth and learned that a blued CS-9 was available - in North Carolina - so I went to the Forum there and made it happen!

 

[jsbethel]

Does anyone have the part number for the 3913TSW Buttplate?

Not the whole mag, just the buttplate.

The part number is 262670000. I checked with S&W fairly recently about it and was also told it had been discontinued.

 

[KWIndy]

I have a question, is it normal that when releasing a full mag from a loaded CS9 a round will pull from the mag as it drops?

So out of the mag well comes the mag and one loose round.

 

[GaryS]

Yes, but it doesn't always happen. It seems to be a 9mm compact thing. I think it's related to the way the rounds are fed up the ramp into the chamber.

There was an old thread about it, maybe even a few old threads about it.

I have a question, is it normal and when releasing a full mag from a loaded CS9 a round will pull from the mag as it drops?

So out of the mag well comes the mag and one loose round.

 

[Fastbolt]

I have a question, is it normal and when releasing a full mag from a loaded CS9 a round will pull from the mag as it drops?

So out of the mag well comes the mag and one loose round.

Yes. More likely to happen with the longer 147gr loads than the shorter 115/123/124gr loads. Longer bullet noses are more likely to hang up on the frame (front of mag well) as they stick forward.

It's less often noted in double stack mags, but it does happen. I've seen it happen in older 59XX's and even often enough in the 4006TSW's our people were using. Not as much in the newer .45 mags, but before the .45 mags got their large rectangular pressed lips it used to happen with the older 645/4506's often enough to be noted by many cops.

When the slide's pickup rail runs the top round under the lips forward to be fed and chambered, the bottom of the slide's rail rubs along the "next" round rising in the magazine stack, and not uncommonly it leaves that next round displaced a little bit forward under the mag lips.

The good news is that when the chambered round is fired, the cycling of the slide (and it's bottom rail) now rubs backward on the top round, but the speed of cycling results in less friction than the slower forward run.

It's never been reported to cause a problem in normal live-fire functioning, even though it can be a little disconcerting the first couple of times you remove a mag to top it off (after chambering a round), and have the top round sticking so far forward it's just barely hanging on under the lips, or it catches on the top of the frame mag well and tumbles out of the mag well as you remove the mag.

 

[KWIndy]

i've never had this happen on any other gun, good to hear it's normal.

 

[Big Shrek]

Funny, just yesterday I was talking to my LGS manager about a stainless Chief's Special. Back in Sept, 2015, I asked them to find a used 45 that gets traded in. They have my contact info on file.Then I thought I would accept a 9mm. But it's so close in size to my 3913, why bother. The most I would pay would be $400, because I would have to add the cost of stainless [flash chromed] 5906 trigger parts which would make the gun acceptable to me. But he told me they have never taken in a Chief's Special. But also, over the years, they have taken in some amazing trades, of which I have purchased a few. So I'm still waiting for a stainless CS45. GARY

There's one CS45 Stainless floating around Fort Walton, FL right now that I know of. They are a bit on the rare side.

Even more rare are the CS40's in stainless...I know of one in Pensacola

And I'm STILL trying to locate a Chromed Frame CS9 sold in the Pensacola area last year...
because I wanna know the story behind it, and how they got Chrome on an alum frame!!

 

[18DAI]

I would guess that they stripped off the anodizing to hard chrome the frame Big Shrek. Not good.

When the ASP was being made in NY at Seventrees, some.....many?, had the anodizing stripped off before the black teflon was applied. This made for some soft weak frames.

I read about a fella who had an ASP like that. He said in under 500 rounds he had severe frame wear and would not shoot the gun anymore.

If they, whoever modded the CS9, figured out a way to apply the hard chrome without removing the anodizing, that might be a nice pistol to have. I hope you find out more about it! Regards 18DAI

 

[Jeppo]

There's one CS45 Stainless floating around Fort Walton, FL right now that I know of. They are a bit on the rare side.

Even more rare are the CS40's in stainless...I know of one in Pensacola

And I'm STILL trying to locate a Chromed Frame CS9 sold in the Pensacola area last year...
because I wanna know the story behind it, and how they got Chrome on an alum frame!!

Visited a friend today and he showed me a CS40 in good condition complete with numbered box. I already own one but guess his could be bought. He’s an FFL.

 

[KWIndy]

There is, what is claimed as, a NIB CS9 on the big auction site right now. With a reasonable BIN.
I have no affiliation at all with the listing, just came up in my surfing today.