choosing a smith and weson revolver for a college student in a wheelchair

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Dear Smith and Wesson Forum i have a hypothetical question. what would be a good Smith and Wesson revolver for a college student in a wheelchair to carry for self defense? Who is an experienced shooter. Any and All help in answering this would be greatly appreciated sincerely and respectfully mg357 a proud member of the Smith and Wesson Forum.
 
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If it was my child, I would arm him/her with a 642 with a set of LG-405 Lasergrips. That package is the real deal in CCW and self defense IMHO...
 
What one eye joe said. That is a good combination.
 
A lot of questions are unanswered here. Is this person an experienced shooter and if not, are plans in place for training and practice? A 642 is a good weapon, but takes practice and experience to master. My suggestion would be for the same model, but in a steel frame (not sure of the model number) and with lots of training and practice.
 
A lot of questions are unanswered here. Is this person an experienced shooter and if not, are plans in place for training and practice? A 642 is a good weapon, but takes practice and experience to master. My suggestion would be for the same model, but in a steel frame (not sure of the model number) and with lots of training and practice.

I second this.
 
I know you asked for a S&W revolver, but I really like my Colt Detective special in 38 Special.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Smith fan, but I also own a few Colts.
The Detective Special (3rd model with barrel shroud) is an all steel gun that shoots more accurate than my 637, and has 6 instead of 5 rounds.
You can't go wrong with the Smith, but I wouldn't rule out a good Det Spcl if you come across one. I picked one up in excellent condition for $450 around 9 months ago.
 
A +1 on the 642
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All right, I'll play. Since you say your "person" is an experienced shooter, can I assume that he/she has better than average hand/forearm strength from working that wheelchair. I vote for an N-frame. Plenty of ways to conceal a 4" barreled N-frame in a wheelchair. Pick the perp's poison: 610, 625, 627, or 629..........all of the above with a set of Crimson Trace laser grips. I personally favor the 10mm. Those clipped rounds reload fast, and full power 10mm loads are easy to shoot from the 610, and they do hit hard! You can waste the perp, his posse, and their ride in 12 shots from a 610. Plus all you have to be concerned with is policing up one full clip of brass as your person wheels off into anonymity.

Please............No threads about a grizzly bear attacking a wheelchair bound hiker. I will sit on the sidelines for that discussion.
 
How will it be carried, drawn and presented? For car seats I've seen suggestions like cross-draw, permanently mounted plastic holsters, lock-box, belly or fanny pack, etc., etc. If a carry solution is available that doesn't require a snubby, then a 4 inch K frame might be preferred. Also depends on how big the person is.

You might post this question over in the Concealed Carry and Self Defense forum as well.
 
As mentioned, the chair will be supporting the weight not the person. Hence, the disadvantages of the ultralights will be a poor tradeoff for a weight savings. If he wants a snubby, a steel ladysmith is a very good gun or a snub 66. My best recommendation would be a model 66 with 3" barrel. The K frame guns are a perfect fit for an average person's hand size. I don't see any gain going to the big frame L or N because a defense gun needs only to be able to deliver one or two rounds accurately of a good .357 round. Any K frame can do that.

I am not a fan of idiot lights on the grips for defense guns. I think lasers are a good tool for LE's to persuade belligerent drunks to calm down by putting a dot on their chest but for most regular people, it's just one more complicated thing to think of during an extreme stress encounter where "point and pull" is all they should be thinking about.
 
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since he's in a wheelchair I feel he can "carry" the most powerful load he is comfortable with. he should be free to wear baggy clothes no matter the weather, thus hiding his "carry" rocket. ...........on a related topic not too long ago I read where the grand-daughter(or daughter) of bumpy johnson pulled a 357 and shot a would be robber while in her wheelchair somewhere in the bronx. I don't think the guy died but he sure got the message.
 
Over the years I've dealt with this situation more than once.
Here's some pointers.

The gun has to be powerful enough to positively do the job and one the user can handle.
That means if there's problems with strength in the hands or arms you have to balance the gun chosen with that fact.
This may mean the gun will be one that's not the best caliber for the job.

The gun has to be fairly small and easy to conceal.
A larger, heavier gun WILL get left at home sooner or later if it's too big or too heavy.
What constitutes "too big or too heavy" varies from person to person.
Generally, most any of the 2" to 3" barreled S&W "J" or "K" frame guns is perfect, usually fitted with rubber grips.
Consider a hammerless gun or one with the hammer spur removed to prevent catching in the clothes or chair rigging.
In automatics, there are many choices in "mini-guns" like the Kahr Arms or small guns from S&W.
ALL THAT COUNTS in a gun is that it be reliable. Accuracy is totally a non-issue.

NEVER carry the gun attached to the chair.
The very first thing an attacker will do is dump the person out of the chair so he's an easier victim.
If the gun is attached to the chair and the person transfers to a car seat and loads the chair separately, an attacker will simply grab the chair and pull it away from the user.
In either case, the person is disarmed without the attacker even knowing he was armed.

The method of carry ON THE PERSON, depends on the person.
Some methods are cross-draw, shoulder holster, and a fanny pack.
The ankle carry is not a good method, even though is sounds good.
it sounds good because the gun is close to the hands, and you don't have to lift a leg or squat to get the gun.
It's no good because a person in a chair can't get the pants legs up very fast, even if they're baggy. The chair interferes with that.

A strong side is dangerously unusable. Again, the chair interferes with the draw because of the sides and the tight fit. You can't brush the clothing back out of the way and get your arm between the chair and the gun to grip the gun. Plus, the gun is totally inaccessible to the off-hand.

The shoulder holster is very good, BUT it's hard to put on and sooner or later the gun will be left at home because it's too much trouble to put on.
Non-handicapped people are prone to the same problem and do the "I'm just running down to the store" only to walk into an armed robbery with the gun at home on the dresser.

A cross-draw works very good.
It conceals well when sitting, the gun is easily accessible with either hand, and it's fast to draw. A variation of the cross-draw is a driving holster made for bodyguards who drive the car.
These are usually quick-detachable-quick attaching so the guard can switch carry positions fast. This quick on and off snap system is easy to use.

It's hard to beat a fanny pack.
You can carry everything you need from the gun and reload to a wallet, cell phone, keys, etc all in one package.
This actually makes it LESS likely the gun will get left at home, since you have to make the effort to remove it from the pack.

On a handicapped person a fanny pack is less noticeable. Sitting, a black pack blends in with all the nylon and metal of the chair, and people are used to seeing handicapped people wearing packs.

A fanny pack is FAST if you choose the right one.
Since most people sitting keep their hands in their laps, you're hands are literally right on the gun. All you have to do is lift the coat or open the pack with one hand while the other hand draws the gun. As the gun clears, the off hand goes to a two-hand grip.

The pack needs to be one in which the front of the pack opens. The types that are a tunnel you slip your hand in or require peeling open the side are too slow and more difficult to work sitting.
The pack needs to include an internal holster for the gun to prevent the gun from flipping out when the pack is ripped open.
A pack that allows positioning the gun in a more upright position is better than one that positions the gun horizontally. This allows a faster draw.

The pack has to use a rip cord opener. The packs that use a plastic buckle or a peel-open feature to open are simply too hard to "find" and grip for a fast draw.

Training and tactics is necessary, more so than anyone else.
Since the user can't effectively run or take cover, you have to learn a "stand your ground and shoot it out" technique.
The user MUST learn never to threaten or brandish the gun.
An ordinary user can get away with that.
A person in a wheelchair can be encircled and attacked from the rear if the attacker knows he's armed.
Bluntly, the attacker should find out the victim is armed when he sees the muzzle flash.
Try to avoid trouble and even try to talk your way out of it, but when it's time to shoot....SHOOT.
You owe nothing at all to someone who is getting physical with a person in a wheelchair.
Legally and morally shooting is acceptable due to the disparity of force doctrine.
This is something the user either fully understands and will carry out, or he shouldn't be armed.

Last, even though it's very difficult for anyone, the wheelchair user MUST be more aware of his surroundings. The Jeff Cooper "Color codes" are something you have to take to heart.
Criminals are often like sharks: They circle, looking the target over before attacking. You have to keep your head up and eyes open.
The wheelchair user has to just learn to live his life staying OUT of bad neighborhoods, bars, and risky situations most people don't have to worry about.
Most handicapped people want to be very independent and may have trouble remembering that it's just too dangerous to go some places.
A favorite store at noon is one thing, the same store at night may be quite another.
 
What happened to the rabid racoons taking over the garden?
 
this...
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19-7 "K-Comp"- compensated 6 shot .357mag, 3in barrel with compensator that gives an overall barrel length just under 4in, smoth and consistant double action pull, absolutly accurate with minimal recoil and for added bonus a tritium front sight, for added ease of use one could invest in a set of ctc grips, the weapon is small enough to tuck away on their person yet big enough to handle any full house load comfertably, all steel and a pleasure to shoot, infact my 115lbs 26yr old wife shoots it with a smile and she didnt start shooting untill we married 6 years ago... just my two cents
p.s. it being a 357 it will allow cheep practice with 38 special, which is a good thing because we all know that college kids are broke!!!
 
infact my 115lbs 26yr old wife shoots it with a smile and she didnt start shooting untill we married 6 years ago... just my two cents
If she finds out you posted her weight on the internet, you might need a protection gun....
 
I hope this student doesn't plan on carrying his revolver on campus, or to class. Colleges or "No Firearms Zones". No guns are permitted. Well, mentally disturbed people and common criminals carry guns on campus, but they are an exception to the gun free zone.
 
Driheat: What is the make of the holster, you are showing? Looks pretty neat.
 

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