Chrono data 357 / 2400 / CCI500 / 158 gr cast w/targets

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Did another round of 10 rounds - 10 different loads only this time with CCI standard small pistol primers.
I shot 5 rounds at a time into a target. Group size in chart and targets are just for the "best" 5. I did not post targets for 2nd five nor the group size - but they were not much different than what I'm showing here. Primers were down before all shots up to 13.6.

for those interested I did a previous test using CCI 550 magnum primers
link here:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/329743-chrono-data-target-groups.html

As I'm new to using a chronograph, any opinions, observations, interpretations, suggestions, criticisms are all welcome.

I will note that when shooting these loads - not through a chronograph - the groups are a little tighter - pretty much all are less than 1 1/2" and several are < 1"
So the chrono is somewhat still a distraction.

I'd like to narrow down the load range - but I notice the standard deviations and extreme spread are steadily decreasing as the load increases but the group size is increasing. With the knowledge that the higher charge loads will group better with the chrono put away - not sure which load to pick?

I can only conclude so far that any load - 11.4gr to 14.2gr is fine
I will take this one additional step - up to 15.0 grains in the near future





 
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Nice work!. All your data looks very consistent to me. I would not worry about the slight difference in "accuracy". I do not think it has to do with the loads, just normal variance, Are you shoot from a rest or free hand?

Pretty damn good at 25 yards.:)
 
Good stuff here! Shows the results of much detailed testing efforts at the range. Grateful to see you post this. My 6-inch Model 27 performs similarly with 14.0 grains of 2400 and a cast lead bullet.
 
Good work

Very clear and useful information and well presented. I'm shooting 140 gr jacketed out of a 6" 686. I think my groups are getting worse mainly because 15.1 grains of 2400 is starting to HURT!:eek:

Glad I'm not testing H110!:D



BTW those groups at 75' look GREAT to me.
 
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Thanks for posting all the data and pictures of all that work.

Did you notice that 12grs was center mass, the rest going to the right of target and your final load of 14.2 grs went all the way over to the left side of the target ?

Interesting, no ?

As for 15 grs of powder hurting................You got a full boat of passengers there, kiddo. Any more powder and you might need flares or life jackets.

However we all know Sketter probably used just a tad bit more, back in the day. :D
 
Nice work!. All your data looks very consistent to me. I would not worry about the slight difference in "accuracy". I do not think it has to do with the loads, just normal variance, Are you shoot from a rest or free hand?

Pretty damn good at 25 yards.:)


thanks Rule, shooting from a rest - with free hand I'm shooting 3-5" groups - still need a ton of practice for off the rest
I consider this a test of gun, bullet, powder, etc. and my assembly of ammo.
I'm thinking the same thing with accuracy - I want to pick a load and load up a few hundred rounds - and work on my shooting skills
 
Good stuff here! Shows the results of much detailed testing efforts at the range. Grateful to see you post this. My 6-inch Model 27 performs similarly with 14.0 grains of 2400 and a cast lead bullet.

bmcgilvray
thanks - have you picked the 14 grain load from other loads?
I am hoping to pick a load to "noodle" with - from my target results - I'm leaning on something under 13 grains
 
Very clear and useful information and well presented. I'm shooting 140 gr jacketed out of a 6" 686. I think my groups are getting worse mainly because 15.1 grains of 2400 is starting to HURT!:eek:

Glad I'm not testing H110!:D



BTW those groups at 75' look GREAT to me.

thanks rw
I really wish you were shooting lead - cause we shoot the same guns - for comparison purposes:D
 
Thanks for posting all the data and pictures of all that work.

Did you notice that 12grs was center mass, the rest going to the right of target and your final load of 14.2 grs went all the way over to the left side of the target ?

Interesting, no ?

As for 15 grs of powder hurting................You got a full boat of passengers there, kiddo. Any more powder and you might need flares or life jackets.

However we all know Sketter probably used just a tad bit more, back in the day. :D

Nevada
you're welcome - and likewise - I always check your posts - they're a big help to me

yes I noticed - the horizontal baffles me:confused: - there is no wind - the range is surrounded by dense trees on 3 sides and a building to the rear - I read that as all me:o - I would love to see vertical stringing - that I can understand:D

have you shot your 15 grain loads yet?
 
Not as yet..........Deer season is three weeks away and have been testing loads in the 270 and '06 to see which gets to fire the single bullet, this year. 4 @ .61 inches at 100 yards is the best so far, still time for a few more test.

Last test with the 686 6" was a 158 xtp with 14.5grs of 2400 that put 5 @ .62 inches at 25 yards of a sand bag.

Today I snuck out to a lake in Calif and brought home five rainbow trout at 16" for the smoker...........
Fall is here.................... Enjoy life.

2jeo0vc.jpg
 
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Not as yet..........Deer season is three weeks away and have been testing loads in the 270 and '06 to see which gets to fire the single bullet, this year. 4 @ .61 inches at 100 yards is the best so far, still time for a few more test.

Last test with the 686 6" was a 158 xtp with 14.5grs of 2400 that put 5 @ .62 inches at 25 yards of a sand bag.

Today I snuck out to a lake in Calif and brought home five rainbow trout at 16" for the smoker...........
Fall is here.................... Enjoy life.

2jeo0vc.jpg

Kinda funny how you describe the gun that gets the one shot

I'll get to the 158 LSWC with 15grains out of the 686 soon didn't quite make it there this time

Did you ever try Trout Parmesan?? It goes in the oven but its great.
Wish I could sneek off to a lake:D
We got the bay, a bunch of rivers and the ocean's not to far---but lakes are just different
 
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Not as yet..........Deer season is three weeks away and have been testing loads in the 270 and '06 to see which gets to fire the single bullet, this year. 4 @ .61 inches at 100 yards is the best so far, still time for a few more test.

Last test with the 686 6" was a 158 xtp with 14.5grs of 2400 that put 5 @ .62 inches at 25 yards of a sand bag.

Today I snuck out to a lake in Calif and brought home five rainbow trout at 16" for the smoker...........
Fall is here.................... Enjoy life.

2jeo0vc.jpg

Nice!!

I'll Take Them!:)

I miss fresh water trout, They are soooo good.!

We have Saltwater Speckled Trout (Weakfish up North) that are good, but not the same.
 
I've done similar tests many times.
What really gets my head spinning is when a load with a much larger standard deviation performs the best in a given revolver.

You couldn't Devise a better practical joke on me:D

What load would you pursue? In both this test and the previous one using magnum primers - the 12.0 and 12.8 loads had the best groups - but I want to go up to 15 grains and pick the lowest SD.
 
I'd look further into 13.2.
May be the best in your gun.
SD isn't the lowest, but the target says your gun may like it.
The one that surprised me was 158 LSWC over Unique in my 357 Colt SAA.
 
I'd look further into 13.2.
May be the best in your gun.
SD isn't the lowest, but the target says your gun may like it.
The one that surprised me was 158 LSWC over Unique in my 357 Colt SAA.

Thanks Taroman
Yep gotta agree that accuracy trumps SD

What happened to the bold text? Had to check your screen name twice - something didn't look right:D
 
I don't want to turn this into a cooking show..........but

If you catch a catfish:
and have some fillets or whole 9-12" body, you might add...

1 Cup bread crumbs (seasoned opt.)
3/4 cup Parmesan cheese
1/4 cup Parsley
1 tsp. Paprika
1/2 tsp Oregano, Basil & black pepper
2 tsp salt
1/2 cup melted butter and some lemon wedges (opt.)

Mix dry units in a bowl, dip fish in melted butter, then roll into crumb mix. Place in 9x13 baking dish and cook at 375 for 30 minutes or until flakey.

Just in case there are no trout in your area.:eek:

Ok, back to just gun stuff unless you twist my arm with a pm...........
 
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