I did basic research fore I moved to Wy..I found out no state income tax..low property tax..gun friendly and most property(farm/ranch) was waaayyyy cheaper than where I came from..course re-sale is also less if you need to move so always a trade off..Oh..and I am close 'nuff to Montany to shop...no sales tax.. So I bought a small ranch where I live now..a good move. Real good!
City folks may need to stay in the city.
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I did basic research fore I moved to Wy..I found out no state income tax..low property tax..gun friendly and most property(farm/ranch) was waaayyyy cheaper than where I came from..course re-sale is also less if you need to move so always a trade off..Oh..and I am close 'nuff to Montany to shop...no sales tax.. So I bought a small ranch where I live now..a good move. Real good!
BearBio
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I realized early-on that, as a SoCal expatriot, we were "outsiders", both in NorCal and now in eastern Washington. It has been almost 15 years and we have integrated well. We have made friends and are accepted in our (rapidly growing) community.
I realize this is a contentious subject but I would like to offer a two-word rebuttal:
"Freeway Driving"!
I realize this is a contentious subject but I would like to offer a two-word rebuttal:
"Freeway Driving"!
finesse_r
Member
I certainly don't invite the neighbors over to my shooting range. I would be liable for any of their crazy antics. The reason I live out here in the country on 170 acres is for privacy and the right to hunt and shoot and to not have neighbors pestering me. Fortunately my neighbors all have their own shooting ranges, and most of them have enough land to hunt on their own property.
If you want a shooting range I suggest you plan on much more than 10 acres, especially in the hill country where trees are as scarce as Republicans these days. Most areas around here require a minimum of 5 acres to shoot a gun on, and I cannot imagine setting up a private range on something that small, without a lot of effort. Where I am I have natural back stops in the form of a large hill and heavy woods. On small acreage I would have to go to a lot of effort to make it safe.
All I ask of my neighbors is to keep their cattle off my place as much as possible, and not to trespass especially while hunting, and not to steal my timber. Biggest problem around here are poachers from the city or other areas. But every year more and more farm land is being converted into 3 to 5 acre home sites for people moving here from the cities or from up north. or even worse from other countries. I am far enough out that it will not reach me in my lifetime, but it is already beginning to effect the local politics, as the liberals moving in outnumber the conservatives 4 or 5 to 1.
Short of secession from the union there appears no way to stop this state from being conquered by mass immigration. It is the modern warfare tool. The entire western civilization is being conquered by immigration the most permanent form of culture destruction.
finesse_r
Member
The immigration into Washington has changed that state forever and not for the better. I would suggest much of the area in the last 15 to 25 years has been changed to look and feel more like southern California politically and socially and the old time Washington state residents are well aware of the change, especially to areas like Seattle which is now one of the most liberal cities in the nation.
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LVSteve
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I have three words for those like me who find too many people moving into "their" area:
Human over breeding.
Human over breeding.
Here south of town we have a gun range that has been there for decades. Owned by a local farmer, its the only 1000yd range in the state. Open 2PM til dark, $5 a head to shoot anything you can carry as much as you want. Metal targets at 100, 300, 500, 1000 yards.
A Californian bought the property just north of the gun range, on the other side of a hill that's several hundred feet tall, which is covered in trees - all on the shooting range / farmer's property. The property line between them is 24 to 26 HUNDRED YARDS (nearly a mile and a half) from the firing line - again with a hill several hundred feet high covered in trees between the firing line and the property line.
You guessed it, Mr. Californication has filed a lawsuit against the gun range attempting to shut it down. He claims that projectiles from the gun range (lead) is making it onto his property presenting a safety and environmental hazard.
A Californian bought the property just north of the gun range, on the other side of a hill that's several hundred feet tall, which is covered in trees - all on the shooting range / farmer's property. The property line between them is 24 to 26 HUNDRED YARDS (nearly a mile and a half) from the firing line - again with a hill several hundred feet high covered in trees between the firing line and the property line.
You guessed it, Mr. Californication has filed a lawsuit against the gun range attempting to shut it down. He claims that projectiles from the gun range (lead) is making it onto his property presenting a safety and environmental hazard.
I'm sorry, I'm a little "thick" sometimes - what exactly are you attempting to rebut those two words? I don't get what you're driving at (pun intended)...
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Maybe there ARE rounds finding their way onto his property. I've never seen a backstop too tall to prevent some moron from wondering....."What if I cranked one off at a 45 degree angle...." You'll soon see who has more influence in the situation with your range......might be decided by the zoning board....That's too bad....I always thought a golf course was a waste of a perfectly good rifle range....To steal a phrase....
As long as you can shoot on it too????? What if you can't?
As long as you can shoot on it too????? What if you can't?
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Faulkner
Member
It seems to me that a lot of people don't have enough common courtesy to be good neighbors anymore. I think it's probably because the golden rule is not really taught any more.
YogiBear
Absent Comrade
Aloha,
finesse r and others.
Wife and I understand very well that We are the new comers.
We do Not intend to Change any of your Texas ways.
We want to embrace it.
Is 100 acres enough to have a 100 yard range or do we need more?
finesse r and others.
Wife and I understand very well that We are the new comers.
We do Not intend to Change any of your Texas ways.
We want to embrace it.
Is 100 acres enough to have a 100 yard range or do we need more?
williamlayton
Member
Likewise, it may be said, country folks need to stay out of the city.
Blessings
Blessings
No problem here. LOL
I used to have a place in the Bitterroote Valley south of Missoula, MT. It was on the shoulder of a mountain and the beat up road ended in a loop on a big knob. At first all the little 5 acre plots were owned by native Montanans. One guy on the very back owned a small kennel and raised a few bird dogs. Then the couple from California moved in on the spot beside the kennel. The wife shortly appeared at my place with a petition about the kennel. She wanted to get rid of the kennel because she could hear the dogs barking sometimes. I said no. She said don't you hear the dogs. I said ya, but it didn't bother me much and the kennel was there first and what did she expect by right beside a kennel. She left in a huff. Another Californian moved in on the other side of the kennel. Next she comes around wanting a road association. Nope, said I liked thee road as it was kept the traffic down. But, it is hard on her new SUV. I said I don't have a new SUV. I have an old Dodge power wagon and some Jeeps and when something rattles off I just weld it back on. Next it was some rules for the area. Part of that seemed to be my collection of old 4x4s being an eyes sore. Some how they were offensive while her husbands collection of "antique" old cars weren't. She kicked that drive off by inviting everyone on the hill to a BBQ at her place. I guess it must have been her and the other California couple at the BBQ as everyone else was at my place having a good time that Saturday. I am sure she was thrilled when she heard I was moving. Sold the place to my brother, He is still there. She isn't.. WAAAAAAAAAAA
Now, where I live the next guy over is the county judge. He complains once in a while about my deer eating his wife's flowers. I guess they are my deer because I scatter some hay around in the winter so my dog has something to lay on besides snow. It is illegal to feed the deer. Darn deer are always around eating my dogs bedding. Oh, well. I think he only complains because his wife complains to him when her flowers get munched. Neighbors tree fell on the corner of my shop. He came over and helped me saw it up and fix the broken window. No, screaming, hollering, lawyers or insurance companies, just firewood.
finesse_r
Member
Hi,
Five acres is enough if you set it up properly. I am just saying in the Austin hill country you don't get a lot of natural barriers like you do here in East Texas with our piney woods. If you find the right kind of hill and back stop you will be fine, just don't expect to be invited over to the neighbors to shoot on his range. LOL On small acreage I would expect you will need some dozer work to build a safe range that keeps your lead on your property.
Also Austin has been flooded by foreigners, Californians, and Yankees to the point it is already lost to Texas, so don't expect to find Texas in Austin any longer. It is like a tiny Los Angles, more than it is like Texas so I don't know how friendly they will be to shooting there in the near future. The hill country is fast becoming like the canyons of Los Angeles. Truly sad, but there are still some ranches and Texans there, it is just that they are fast becoming out numbered, by non-Texans.
Texas is as much a state of mind as it is a location, and the state of mind in Austin is very different from most of Texas. The same is true of Houston and San Antonio now also. As more and more move here it will become less and less like Texas, so I don't encourage anyone to move here from any place. We are flooded with non-Texans to the point of drowning in them.
You would never hear me say "when I was Indiana..."
Rastoff
US Veteran
This is the nature of things. Most people are transplants from somewhere. What you're saying was common in California 25 years ago. The phrase, "Welcome to California. Now go back home" was quite common back then. You see what's happened here with the gun laws and it's likely it will happen in Texas over time.
The truth is, anyone who resides in Texas is a Texan. Yes, I hear you that someone new might not have your ideals and thereby doesn't fit your ideal of what makes a "Texan". Still, everyone is different. I'm sure there are those that have lived there longer than you that feel the same way about you.
Rather than try to push people away, embrace them and teach them your ideals. They will either embrace them too or leave. Attempt to just stay away, and they will eventually out number you and do what they want. I say work with them to maintain what you have.
Alas, that won't work either. The only constant is change and change is coming, like it or not.
finesse_r
Member
Well you are certainly entitled to your very politically correct opinion. Just don't think everyone will be rolling out the welcome wagon for those seeking to change their culture and their society for the worse.
Granted men have for centuries moved to the wilderness to get away from so called civilization and the corruption that comes with it and for centuries civilization follows once the land is made safe and then civilized folks and their new laws eventually destroy the freedom of that area as well.
Problem is their are no wilderness areas left for the independent freedom loving folk to move to.
D'ja ever notice, when you ask somebody where they're from, you'll get answers like 'I'm from Kansas', 'I'm from Colorado', 'I'm from Indiana', but some will say 'I am a Texan'?
Kinda like ask somebody about their military experience, you'll hear 'I was in the Army' or 'I enlisted in the Navy', then you get 'I am a Marine'. Acebow
Kinda like ask somebody about their military experience, you'll hear 'I was in the Army' or 'I enlisted in the Navy', then you get 'I am a Marine'. Acebow
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Faulkner
Member
Seems the Germans were saying something similar just before they invaded Poland.
Yes there are. Alaska is still over 99% wilderness
I used to shoot at Williams too, nice range.
I remember one day years ago when a travelin' salesman wandered down the road to where we were moving a bunch of cattle across the road from one pasture to another.
By the time he got to our place he wasn't interested in selling anything, he was lost and wanted to find some pavement to drive on.
He drove right up right beside my horse and honked his horn, which din't sit too well with neither of us.. He leaned out the window and hollered, "Hey, you, how do I get back to the highway from here?" Well the ruckus spooked the cattle and they took off.
I spit a big ol wad of tobacco juice on the hood of his car and said, "Well, I don't reckon I'd start from here," and took off to head the cattle back where they was goin'.
He turned around and went back the way he came. He may still be out there some-wheres for all I know.
Had a couple come out to the ranch, drove out in the middle of a hay meadow about a half a mile up the crick from the house, put up a tent and dug a fire pit.. I happened to see smoke and their car and went to investigate.
I asked them if they had got permission to camp where they were..
They said "They didn't think anybody owned this land."
I said "Well I own it."
They said, "Well, I hope you don't mind we're not hurting anything."
I said, "I'd kinda like to git your address if you don't mind."
They said "Why do you want to know that?"
I said, "Well, you're campin' in my front yard and I'd kinda like to return the favor, and come dig a hole in your lawn!"
I watched as they tore down the tent, packed their fold-up furniture back in the car, and put the sod back in the hole like I showed them.
As they got in their car, I said, "Mebbe I'll see you next weekend at your place!"
They din't smile back at me as they drove off.
By the time he got to our place he wasn't interested in selling anything, he was lost and wanted to find some pavement to drive on.
He drove right up right beside my horse and honked his horn, which din't sit too well with neither of us.. He leaned out the window and hollered, "Hey, you, how do I get back to the highway from here?" Well the ruckus spooked the cattle and they took off.
I spit a big ol wad of tobacco juice on the hood of his car and said, "Well, I don't reckon I'd start from here," and took off to head the cattle back where they was goin'.
He turned around and went back the way he came. He may still be out there some-wheres for all I know.
Had a couple come out to the ranch, drove out in the middle of a hay meadow about a half a mile up the crick from the house, put up a tent and dug a fire pit.. I happened to see smoke and their car and went to investigate.
I asked them if they had got permission to camp where they were..
They said "They didn't think anybody owned this land."
I said "Well I own it."
They said, "Well, I hope you don't mind we're not hurting anything."
I said, "I'd kinda like to git your address if you don't mind."
They said "Why do you want to know that?"
I said, "Well, you're campin' in my front yard and I'd kinda like to return the favor, and come dig a hole in your lawn!"
I watched as they tore down the tent, packed their fold-up furniture back in the car, and put the sod back in the hole like I showed them.
As they got in their car, I said, "Mebbe I'll see you next weekend at your place!"
They din't smile back at me as they drove off.
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