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With not able to buy or find or the cost of ammo.Thinking about reloading with the classic lee reloader for 9mm,38,45acp.Due mostly for the lack of space being retired I due have some time on my hands.So please feel free to chime in.
 
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With not able to buy or find or the cost of ammo.Thinking about reloading with the classic lee reloader for 9mm,38,45acp.Due mostly for the lack of space being retired I due have some time on my hands.So please feel free to chime in.
 
I do not use a lee loader, I use a 550 Dillon for all pistol, and a RCBS rockchucker for rifle. Reloading is a great way to shoot more for the same price. Get some reloading manuals and have a great time.
 
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If I was going that route, I think I would get a Lee hand tool rather than the Classic Reloaders
Sorry thats where I was going I dont have the room for a press and all the stuff you need to go with it the hand tool pack up in a small box the size of you hand and you have to supply the hammer LOL
 
For what it's worth, Lee Loaders got me into handloading for very little money when I was a college student. I also didn't have much room (or money, as I mentioned), but I upgraded to a Lee Hand Press kit, the entire thing of which (including dies and a pound bottle of Unique) fit in a small box about 16"x11"x4" . . . don't know if that's too big for you, though.

The ammo produced on the Lee Loaders worked just fine. The time saved by going to the hand press was notable. Either way, you're in business, and best of luck to you with your new endeavor.
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I started with a Lee Loader in 1971, pounding out .32 Winchester Special cartridges for my Model 94 Winchester carbine.
The Lee Loader remains the most inexpensive setup to produce quality ammunition.
However, it is very slow. Figure it taking at least 90 minutes to do one box of 50 cartridges, perhaps two hours. It all depends on how organized and accustomed you become to the steps.
Each case has to be driven into the sizing die by hand. Though you can use a hardwood handle, I prefer a nylon or plastic-faced hammer because it has some heft to it and will drive in cases faster.
Then, using a rod, the case has to be tapped out of the sizing die from the other end.
Next, the fired primer is tapped out, the primer pocket cleaned with a quick twist of a Lee primer pocket cleaner or close-fitting screwdriver.
The case is checked for length, or placed in the Lee Case Trimmer to ensure it's not overly long. Cases can lengthen forward after repeated firing, though the .38 Special and .45 Auto are among the least troublesome in this regard. The 9mm will stretch after a few firings because it operates at higher pressure.
If the case is too long, it is trimmed back and then chamfered to remove burrs at the case's mouth.
Next, a flaring tool bells the case mouth open slightly, so a bullet may be seated without shaving it or damaging the case.
A fresh primer is then tapped (carefully) into place so it's seated flush or, preferably, slightly below the level of the cartridge case.
At this point, your case is sized, at or below maximum length, primed and belled.
Next comes adding the correct powder charge. Lee Loaders come with a powder dipper, and a list of suitable gunpowders that the dipper will throw in the proper amount.
Once the proper gunpowder is added, bullet seating is next.
The bullet is started in the case and the case with loose bullet is returned to the die.
A close-fitting plunger is returned to the die, and gently tapped to seat the bullet farther into the case.
This is a critical step in the operation because the bullet must be seated to the right depth.
The proper seating depth, often listed as the Overall Cartridge Length (OAL) is supplied by reloading books and manufacturers.
In the case of bullets made for revolvers, it can often be determined by seating the bullet to the small annular ring around a jacketed bullet, called the cannelure or, in the case of lead bullets, to an indented ring around the bullet called the crimping groove.
Once the bullet is seated to the proper depth in the case, the entire cartridge is turned over and placed in the crimping section of the die. A metal protective cup (used earlier in depriming) is placed over the case and the case is tapped into the crimping die.
This rolls the edge of the case over and into the cannellure or crimping groove, securing the bullet to the case and preventing its movement.
Crimping is done with revolver cartridges, such as the .38 Special.
Semi-auto cartridges such as the 9mm and .45 ACP do not have their case mouth crimped into the bullet. Instead, the die is designed to size the case down well below the diameter of the bullet. The bullet is held in place solely with this tension.

As you can see, there are a lot of steps. The same steps are done in a bench-mounted reloading press but are done far faster.

With the Lee Loader, it's best to do all the steps at once to the entire box or two of cartridges. For example, begin by depriming all the cases you plan to reload, then size all of them at once. This will increase production.
It will also be safer. If you charge the cases en masse with powder, with a penlight you can look down all the cases to see whether you may have accidentally double-charged one case.

In addition to a Lee Loader specific to each caliber, you'll need:

1. A loading block, to keep the cases upright and from tipping over. I like the plastic loading block made by Hornady, but MTM makes a good one too. Yes, you can bore shallow drillholes in a scrap of wood to hold the cases upright during the stages, but you'll have to make a different block for each caliber.
The Hornady and MTM blocks are made to accommodate a variety of calibers.

2. A Lee Case Trimmer.
The cutter and lock stud is made for all calibers and sold together. You'll only need one. This is about $5. Also buy the cutter with the wooden ball; it's easier to grip.
The case length gauge and shellholder are sold together, but are packed specific to the caliber. You'll need three: 9mm, .38 Special and .45 ACP. Cost is about $6 apiece.

3. A Lee chamfer tool. Cost is about $3.

4. Lee Reloading Manual, "Modern Reloading" by Richard Lee. Made by the same people who make Lee equipment, it will lead you easily through each step and offers a wealth of information.

5. Case sizing lubricant. Also made by Lee.

6. Nylon or plastic faced hammer. Black rubber hammers are too soft to drive in a case quickly, so go with nylon or hard plastic.

7. Primers. No need to buy Magnum primers for any of these cartridges. You'll need both Small Pistol (.38 and 9mm) and Large Pistol (.45 ACP).

7a. If you can afford it, buy the Lee Auto Prime tool and appropriate shellholders for 9mm, .38 and .45 ACP. This tool holds 100 primers in a hopper and makes priming much faster and surer because thumb-pressure seats the primer, not gentle taps from a hammer.
Total cost for the Lee Auto Prime and three shellholders will be about $20, perhaps a little more.

8. Gunpowder. It's best to read the manual and decide which powder you need. However, all three calibers are well served by Winchester 231, Bullseye, Unique, Titegroup, etc.

9. Bullets. For the autoloaders, you'll find it easiest to start with full metal jacketed bullets. Plated bullets, such as those made by Berry's, offer slightly reduced price over the more traditional jacketed bullets.
For the 9mm, choose 115 or 124 gr. bullets. For the .45 ACP, choose 230 gr. roundnosed bullets.
Some autoloaders do not feed lead, hollowpoint or softpoint bullets well so it's best to start with the more traditional bullets that you know will work.
For the .38, lead bullets will work fine. The most versatile lead bullet for the .38 is the semi wadcutter of 150 to 160 grains.
This is a popular bullet, more so than the 148 grain wadcutter, so you may find a much better price on the 148 gr. wadcutter.
If the savings is significant, go with the 148 gr. wadcutter. These are barrel-shaped bullets made for target shooting out to 50 yards; they'll serve you well for practice.

10. Reloading labels. A peel-off white label will work fine but ensure that you finish each loaded box by noting on the label: date, caliber, bullet weight and type, powder type and weight, whether this is the first or 10th loading of these cartridges and any other information you deem important.
Also, don't mix cases after firing them. Return them to the same box from whence they came.
This way, if you begin to notice that some cases are wearing out and splitting, you'll know to throw away the entire box.

You'll also want a means to clean cases after firing. A soft rag damp with lighter fluid will remove grit and smoke residue but a vibratory case cleaner is the easiest, best way.
Ensure all cases are clean and free of grit and residue before you size them, or you may damage the die.

Avoid brass cleaners like Brasso, that contain ammonia and fine grit. They can create pretty cases but the ammonia and fine grit can accelerate damage to the case.

I hope the above helps you. Don't hesitate to return and ask more questions.
Not one of us was born with this knowledge, we all had to learn it too.
 
Gatofeo Thank you thanks you.I known for quite some time that S&W forum is the best around.Thanks again for people like you and others here.who share their experience and knowledge so freely.And did I say thanks. Great post to.
 
Get the Lee Hand Press. It's a little more money but you'll be a lot happier in the long run. It's more versatile and easier to use than the classic loader.

All the Best,
D. White
 
+1 for what D.white said. I, too, started with a Lee Loader. Everyone ought to pop a primer at their kitchen table, once. Better yet, is a Lyman 310 tong tool. There's a guy in AZ who has a ton of them, new or used for sale. Or RCBS still makes a hand lever type, I think. These are still not so good as a press set up. A nearby cabinet will hold everything needed and you don't have to set up everything at once. Use, e.g. the scale, only after you have resized and primed. You don't need that much space all at once.You'll eventually come around to a press and will make the process fun as well as cost-saving. best wishes.
 
A lot of good information already given from those who have been there and done that. I would like to also suggest another option for those with limited space. The Lee C style press is a great little press when used within the limitations of its design. To affored portability it can be mounted on a solid piece of wood and clamped to a flat surface such as a table or counter top with some inexpensive C clamps. I find using a press that is anchored down is soooooooo much easier. The Lee C style press is plenty strong enough for any pistol reloading and probably most rifle reloading. With the front of the press being open it makes it very user friendly. I bought one shortly after my introduction into reloading ten years ago and still use it for decapping and bullet sizing. I have two larger Lee presses I now use for the remaining steps of the reloading process. Here is alink to the Lee C press on the Midway site.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewP...productNumber=807734
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewP...productNumber=480380
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewP...productNumber=410804
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewP...productNumber=624416
All of this information is just my two cents but if I had to adjust my reloading hobby to fit into a limited space I would go with the Lee hand press or the Lee C style press. The Classic Lee Loader kit does work but going to the next step makes things a lot easier.
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The classic loader and the handpress are the last two decent Lee products going. I would say go with the hand press for pistol rounds with carbide dies. A RCBS hand primer would also be needed. The only draw back to the hand press is you have to remember to pour the spent primers out after 25-30 rounds or it will jam up your shell holder. You also have to be careful to not spill powder when seating bullets. I use one to deprime while watching the TV. The whole shebang, dies, hand press and hand primer could fit in a long shoe box with room left over for a few bullets and primers. The only thing left would be getting something to dispense powder. The Lee dippers would work well and fit in the box also.

The little Lee reloader press would have to have a hole drilled in the bottom of the wood mount to collect spent primers and would have to be unclamped after so many rounds to remove the used primers.

Whatever method you use I'm glad you are getting into reloading. Wear saftey glasses if you get the Classic Loader and wrap a rag around the tapping round when inserting primers. By experience I will say if a primer goes off your ears will ring and you'll get a pretty nasty burn on your and. The rag stops both. Started using one when I was 13 years old until my dad would let me use his press a few years later.
 
The little Lee reloader press would have to have a hole drilled in the bottom of the wood mount to collect spent primers and would have to be unclamped after so many rounds to remove the used primers
You can drill the hole in the bottom mounting plate if you want. I didn't on mine. I just take the press and shake it upside down over a large trash can until all the spent primers are out. The resevoir for the spent primers will hold quite a few. I just empty it when I'm done and it's ready for the next time I use it. I also have limited space and use my shop for more that just reloading. All my reloading presses and powder measures are mounted on plates that can be C clamped to my bench when in use and then removed when I'm done so my bench can be used for other things. With a small shop this works good for me.
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A small press can be mounted almost anywhere by using a C clamp.The hand tools are so slow and tedious,I think you'll get tired of it very soon.A small press can be stored easily and by using a C clamp,you can set it up and remove it easily and quickly.
 
Yep, I wrote a ton about the Lee Loader in your thread.
But like the others here, I would suggest you buy a Lee hand press and standard 7/8 X 14 reloading dies. Lee is the best price on dies, and they're good dies too.
Lee also makes an inexpensive, single-stage press. You can buy the Challenger singly, but it's best to buy the Challenger kit that comes with powder measure, scale, lubricant, shellholders and so on.
Mount the press to a short length of 2X6, and you can use C-clamps to attach it to the kitchen table.
I drilled a couple of holes in the top of my Challenger press (it's made of cast aluminum) and with self-tapping screws I attached the powder measure to the top. Puts it at eye level and gets it out of the way. Just ensure it doesn't interfere with screwing in the dies.

The Lyman 310 "nutcracker" hand reloader is good, but it will cost nearly as much as the Lee Anniversary Reloading Kit with the Challenger press, when you add the cost of dies.

You'd be better served with a single-stage press. The Lee Loader works but others are right, it's slow and tedious.

I wrote the long reply to inform you, but also to impress upon you how much is involved. The same steps are done on a press, but much faster.

And down the road, if you decide to get a press with multiple stations, you'll already have the dies.

But if you get a Lee Loader, don't get rid of it later! I had one in .32 Winchester Special years ago and wish I hadn't given it away. It would be a fine nostalgic item to remind me where I came from, and still be useful in hunting camp.

But yeah, I agree with the others. Buy an inexpensive Lee press (though inexpensive, Lee presses are not cheap junk) and you'll be able to reload four times faster than a Lee Loader.
 
When I first got the notion to try and reload a few 30.06 shells ,I bought the lee hand loader. With the exception of a case trimmer and chamfering tool it's all there. Even the pre measured scoop is pretty failsafe. But like a earlier poster said,It will take you a lot of time to bang out a couple boxes of finished rounds. There are other ways like the partner press by rcbs. Very small,and will save you alot of finger wear working with the hand loader. If all you shoot is a box,then a hand loader is for you,otherwise save and get a starter press..they come in kits with most you will need.
 
Originally posted by Retired in 2001:
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If I was going that route, I think I would get a Lee hand tool rather than the Classic Reloaders
Sorry thats where I was going I dont have the room for a press and all the stuff you need to go with it the hand tool pack up in a small box the size of you hand and you have to supply the hammer LOL

Retired, the Lee Hand Press that some are recommending does not require a hammer or a bench. Rather, you simply operate it with both hands. I have had one for years and do all of my reloading from it. Assuming you are of average strength then it is as fast as any other single stage press. It is NOT the same thing as the Lee Classic Loader which requires the hammer. You can see it here:Lee Hand Press.
 
I'll go against the grain from the other responders. I've had a Lee Pro 1000 for about 12 years, and I heartily recommend you give this one a look before making a decision you will regret later. Why? Speed. I get a finished round with each pull of the handle. I've loaded thousands of 9mm and .45acp, and I haven't had to replace a part yet. Some look down their noses at Lee products, and would only recommend rcbs. Not knocking rcbs, but my experience with lee products has been very good.
Bob
 
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