Classified antics that cost the seller a sale (at least from me)!

[deanodog]

I have just got the winning bid on a "factory new" and "absolutely perfect no excuses" gun that was not as described and the seller has blocked my e-mails. This will result in a fraud claim and hard feelings. If this had been FTF it would have eliminated lots of trouble. As of right now I will never buy another gun I can't look at in person.I will lose on this deal either way it goes.
If I had been FTF I would never had paid what the bid was and would not have wanted the gun.
I have to say that this is the only problem I ever had buying or selling online.

 

[straightshooter1]

m1gunner-How do you do that? And, then, if something goes "wrong" later, how do you show whoever inquires that you did that?

Bob

 

[deadin]

For all the reasons m1gunner listed plus a few, I would much prefer FTF.
Especially if buying, I want to see what I'm getting (not some possibly photoshopped pictures) before I put down my money.
I've sold over the internet and haven't had any problems, so far. But it's just a matter of time until I run into an anal buyer that, regardless of how well I've described and pictured the gun, is going to find something that I missed and come unglued. Then it's the hassle and expense of going through the return procedures, FFL costs, etc.
Just like I want to see what I'm buying, I want the buyer to accept what I am selling and have no valid excuse for later "buyer's remorse".
As for keeping track of who I got a gun from or who I sold one to, If they won't give me a DL and let me copy down the info, I just won't deal. End of story.

 

[scout]

Churlish reponses by the seller are what put off my interest in an item, even if the response was "provoked" by some other churlishness or butt-insky post from another.

 

[RGAmos]

I have sold a couple of firearms FTF. In each case, the purchaser met me at my FFL Dealers place of business (never at my home) and the dealer transfered the firearm only after doing the required background check. I added the cost of the transfer to the price of the firearm. If the purchaser will not agree to this procedure, no sale.

 

[m1gunner]

Originally posted by straightshooter1:
m1gunner-How do you do that? And, then, if something goes "wrong" later, how do you show whoever inquires that you did that?

Bob

If the buyer has a valid driver's license and a current CCW, he is good to go, he has satisfied me that it is a legal sale.

There is no requirement for me to "prove" anything in the future.

edit to add: keeping a copy of who it goes to and where from is called gun registration. I, for one, am totally against that, because I know where it will ultimately lead.

 

[straightshooter1]

I didn't use "prove" in my question and wasn't trying to give you a hard time.

I simply wondered how you make sure he's not a prohibited person? Do you mean that he must have both, a current CCW and a valid D/L? Do you get and give a receipt?

I think, in my state, the CWP would satisfy me. I have always gotten a receipt and given one, though. I have only had one situation where the seller didn't want to provide ID, so, no sale.

Bob

 

[m1gunner]

Originally posted by straightshooter1:
I didn't use "prove" in my question and wasn't trying to give you a hard time.

I simply wondered how you make sure he's not a prohibited person? Do you mean that he must have both, a current CCW and a valid D/L? Do you get and give a receipt?

I think, in my state, the CWP would satisfy me. I have always gotten a receipt and given one, though. I have only had one situation where the seller didn't want to provide ID, so, no sale.

Bob

No offense ment and none taken. Having delt with a branch of the government for 20 years, I keenly read and follow all documentation requirements. I follow the law to the letter, but never add stuff that isn't required. Yhe old saying about giving someone enough rope....is very true.

All states are different, but where I am now, there is no receipt requirement, so I don't. A gun is untitled property, so that is how it is handled as far as I am concerned.

It has been a while since I bought a gun, the last one was FTF. It was from a city LEO. I didn't know him from Adam, and he required only cash for the deal. I did ask to see his badge as he represented himself as a Cop.

 

[Jack Flash]

Each seller sets his own conditions. If he says FTF ONLY, he doesn't need to explain to me (or anyone else) why he does business that way. To paraphrase LowRider, maybe doing business through FedEx "reminds him of his mother in law."

He can set any ground rules he wants, whether I like it or not. Sure, he may lose customers. I'm sure he knows that. Money talks and BS walks. No one is compelled to do business with him.

Skip over the ads you consider unreasonable - it's not rocket science.

 

[J. Galt]

So, in the "FTF only" posts, I figure the seller is a squirrel, some kind of cheat or a bit too paranoid for me to worry about.

That is a very strange way of looking at someone who may just want to avoid the considerable expense and hassle of shipping a firearm. You must have a suspicious mind.

 

[Wayne02]

Originally posted by straightshooter1:
So, in the "FTF only" posts, I figure the seller is a squirrel, some kind of cheat or a bit too paranoid for me to worry about.
Bob

Wow! You are getting a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions on this subject. If you don't like the FTF sales why not just pass them by and leave people be?

 

[straightshooter1]

J Galt, I am guilty of that. Comes with my job experience I guess.

Wayne, that's what I said I did. I just don't buy.

But, if someone has a gun on the Forum and is from this area, with photos, etc., I'd have no problem asking him if he wanted to do a FTF.

Re-read what I said about the FTFs I get annoyed with and you'll understand. It's "FTFs only" and "FTF in (add state here)" who won't say where, in the state, they are.

And, you are right. It is about the only exercise I get. It's easy with no pain, but lots of gain.

I did see some reasons which seemed valid for one to want a FTF, though.

Bob

 

[J. Galt]

OK, Bob!

I wholeheartedly agree with this one:

If the seller has a camera and has photos, why doesn't he post them? Even I, the most computer challenged member of this Forum, can post photos using Photobucket...

And reading "I don't know how to post pics" really drives me up the wall! I translate that as "I'm too lazy to bother figuring it out." Anyone that lazy probably hasn't cleaned whatever gun they are selling in years anyway.

 

[Guest]

I can say that I haven't bothered to read each reply word for word but the one thing that didn't get mentioned "enough" was the Cost of shipping which is one of the reasons why I now have my FFL. UPS doesn't deserve to use the word "Service" as part of their name cause they don't provide any. FedEx is better but by no means wonderful.

As loud as some people squawk about USPS they get a whole lot more things to where they are going then what they 'misplace' and there Rules are much simpler and easier to understand.

 

[deadin]

edit to add: keeping a copy of who it goes to and where from is called gun registration. I, for one, am totally against that, because I know where it will ultimately lead.

Can I assume from this that even if you know who you got a gun from or sold one to, you wouldn't rat them out if a forward trace ended up on your doorstep? You wouldn't try to recover your money from the seller if the gun in question was confiscated from you as stolen?
That's mighty noble of you.

 

[m1gunner]

Originally posted by deadin:

edit to add: keeping a copy of who it goes to and where from is called gun registration. I, for one, am totally against that, because I know where it will ultimately lead.

Can I assume from this that even if you know who you got a gun from or sold one to, you wouldn't rat them out if a forward trace ended up on your doorstep? You wouldn't try to recover your money from the seller if the gun in question was confiscated from you as stolen?
That's mighty noble of you.

Any questions along these lines would be handled by my attorney. My rights and freedom are far too important for me to just toss away.

I was taught years ago that ANY contact with law enforcement warrants legal representation, and I am more than willing to pay for it up front.

Guns are not evil. They are property, nothing more, nothing less. If some DA wants to score gun grabber points, it won't be through any contact with me.

I am a law abiding citizen. It is the Government that lies, cheats and steals.