Not well... I just didn't feel like a naive D***A** walking away from an unlocked vehicle in a parking lot
Close and lock your doors.
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Not well... I just didn't feel like a naive D***A** walking away from an unlocked vehicle in a parking lot
Probably varies by state. In Arkansas whether the vehicle is locked or unlocked doesn't matter. It classified as Breaking or Entering either way and is a felony offense.
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Doug M.
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Being victimized that way once is well past stupid. Having it happen twice means that one is in dire need of a lesson in Ermey's Dictum pertaining to overcoming one's flaws. That's the kind of idiot who gives all law abiding responsible gun owners a bad name.
keith44spl
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It's jest a short run from Midland to Chihuahua........
a low key fast & furious.
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a low key fast & furious.
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ancient-one
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I was sitting quietly in my car, doors unlocked, and a nice elderly lady opened the passenger door and got in. I said “hi!” and had to laugh at the confused look on her face. Then her husband knocked on the window and said “Next car, hon...”
Their identical car was in front of me.
We were parked at Walgreens and when my daughter came out she started to get in a car the same model and color as mine. The difference was a lady was sitting in that one and my daughter opened the door and then realized her mistake.
ancient-one
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I keep my living quarter doors locked at all times. The same applies to my car. I don't want any surprises if I can help it. Costs nothing extra.
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The fellow with the dog in the OP is a Rhodes scholar next to the citizens of Chicago. At least once or twice a month some genius comes out of the 7-11 to discover the car they left idling with their kids inside is gone. The punks have learned to ditch the car once they realize there are kids inside after a few had kidnapping added to their charges. The punks learned, but the parents haven't.
Rastoff
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If they were honest, you wouldn't need the lock. So, no, locks stop thieves. Cheap locks stop cheap thieves, but good locks only slow down determined thieves.
We really need a sarcasm emoji here.
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Happy New Year Doug M,
What's your proposed remedy? Do we enact more oppressive laws to protect We the People from ourselves? How much more individual liberty must we sacrifice for the illusion of security? Can we protect people from themselves? Should we propect people from themselves?
People will do people things. Desperate people will do desperate things. Laws will never prevent criminals from committing crimes.
There is an ages old bromide in law enforcement: FWPL. The last three letters represent With People's Lives.
A law you support today might militate against you tomorrow.
As an honorably retired cop, I cringe every time I hear someone say, "There oughta be a law..."
BTW, I can legally carry a concealed handgun anywhere the American flag flies. I cannot tell you the last time I've carried a handgun on my person. I live in a virtually crime free city, and I stay away from crime plagued ones.
What's your proposed remedy? Do we enact more oppressive laws to protect We the People from ourselves? How much more individual liberty must we sacrifice for the illusion of security? Can we protect people from themselves? Should we propect people from themselves?
People will do people things. Desperate people will do desperate things. Laws will never prevent criminals from committing crimes.
There is an ages old bromide in law enforcement: FWPL. The last three letters represent With People's Lives.
A law you support today might militate against you tomorrow.
As an honorably retired cop, I cringe every time I hear someone say, "There oughta be a law..."
BTW, I can legally carry a concealed handgun anywhere the American flag flies. I cannot tell you the last time I've carried a handgun on my person. I live in a virtually crime free city, and I stay away from crime plagued ones.
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"...land of the free..." has become a very cruel hoax. I've recently read research from a very credible source that ranked countries based upon individual freedom. The USA ranked 27th. In another, the USA did not make the top 27 cut. We're acquiescing to enslavement one tiny individual liberty destroying law at a time.
People can generally figure out what works best for them without governmental intervention. Those who can't never will. Destroying individual liberty under the guise of protecting a tiny minority of people makes absolutely no sense to me.
People can generally figure out what works best for them without governmental intervention. Those who can't never will. Destroying individual liberty under the guise of protecting a tiny minority of people makes absolutely no sense to me.
It becomes precedent the moment a judge rules on it, at least until a higher court rules otherwise.
I'm on the neighborhood watch......
Just last night we had a peeping Tom here. At least we hope that was all it was. The homeowner screamed and ran for their gun and by then the perp was gone. Several times in the last couple of years I've caught people (They ran or drove off) who were definitely up to no good. We have two huge neighborhoods adjoining ours but separated by about 50' of woods, so they run through there and are gone. One of our guys caught a porch pirate.
Just last night we had a peeping Tom here. At least we hope that was all it was. The homeowner screamed and ran for their gun and by then the perp was gone. Several times in the last couple of years I've caught people (They ran or drove off) who were definitely up to no good. We have two huge neighborhoods adjoining ours but separated by about 50' of woods, so they run through there and are gone. One of our guys caught a porch pirate.
AJ
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This whole thread is nothing more than how far our society has degraded over the years. I came back home after 25 years in the Corps and could see many changes in the area that I live in. Storms to the south of us had driven quite a few folks to move north out of the Miami-Dade area. With those moves brought much more crime.
My Grandparents lived in their home for 35 years and never, never locked the doors, even to the point of going on vacation for several weeks at a time and leaving the house open. When the family sold the house after they died, no keys could be found for the house. They never locked their carss and the keys were always in the ignition.
I live in the same area now. While it is still a great area, we lock everything up when not in use. Hate to see what it is like in another 20 years or so.
My Grandparents lived in their home for 35 years and never, never locked the doors, even to the point of going on vacation for several weeks at a time and leaving the house open. When the family sold the house after they died, no keys could be found for the house. They never locked their carss and the keys were always in the ignition.
I live in the same area now. While it is still a great area, we lock everything up when not in use. Hate to see what it is like in another 20 years or so.
SWCZSIG-Vinny
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Good security comes in 'layers', not only locking doors. Encourage them to find an easier target.
Adding motion lights outside, cameras, monitored alarm systems, RING that sounds inside when there's motion outside, deadbolt locks, and chain locks on your doors.
No, a chain lock will not stop a determined thief, but will help prove that the Perp(s) were not invited in.
You'd be surprised how many 'home invasions' happen in daytime. One Perp goes to the front door looking like a neighbor or salesperson. One or two others hang back, waiting for the victim(s) to open the door; then they burst in. Imagine trying to prove they were 'breaking in' and you felt your life was endangered?
A door chain might be a good investment in legal protection.
Adding motion lights outside, cameras, monitored alarm systems, RING that sounds inside when there's motion outside, deadbolt locks, and chain locks on your doors.
No, a chain lock will not stop a determined thief, but will help prove that the Perp(s) were not invited in.
You'd be surprised how many 'home invasions' happen in daytime. One Perp goes to the front door looking like a neighbor or salesperson. One or two others hang back, waiting for the victim(s) to open the door; then they burst in. Imagine trying to prove they were 'breaking in' and you felt your life was endangered?
A door chain might be a good investment in legal protection.
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I hesitate to mention this stuff, but everyone needs a reality check periodically.
If you are murdered, about one-third of the time it will be by someone you are related to or who you know well. For 2018 that is 5,739 of 14,139.
When you as a gun owner lock your house and car, you are also doing that for people you love and some you may never meet. In my personal experience, one case was Melvin Clouse, who lived in extremely safe Virden, NM, were there hasn't ever even been a policeman. Melvin left his 9mm in his unlocked car one night there just as he had for decades. David Van Horn and his girlfriend Dianne Lynn Wilson knew Clouse routinely did this, and took his pistol from his car one night, used it to hold him and his wife at gunpoint in their home, then tortured them to try to get information on their valuables from them. When the couple was unsuccessful in giving them information on valuables they did not have, the two miscreants poured Coleman fuel around them in the living room and set them on fire, then watched from outside while the home was fully engulfed. Mrs. Clouse died on her floor; Mr. Clouse, badly burned, jumped out a window because he chose to die by gunfire rather than just fire - he was lucky. The murderers were gone.
The killers then stole a car; they got it stuck in an arroyo not far away. When Hildago County deputies 'Chon' Trujillo and Ali Salinas found the car and were walking, guns drawn, up the arroyo to try to find the two, Van Horn shot Salinas in the head and Trujillo in the shoulder from a concealed position in the mesquite. The murderers were arrested by my officers, and both pled straight up to 1st degree murder. Neither had felony criminal histories.
Because Melvin (now dead of natural causes) wouldn't use common sense, his wife was horribly murdered, Ali Salnas permanently disabled, Chon Trujillo wounded.
If you are too stubborn to use common sense on your own behalf, use it for the good of others.
If you are murdered, about one-third of the time it will be by someone you are related to or who you know well. For 2018 that is 5,739 of 14,139.
When you as a gun owner lock your house and car, you are also doing that for people you love and some you may never meet. In my personal experience, one case was Melvin Clouse, who lived in extremely safe Virden, NM, were there hasn't ever even been a policeman. Melvin left his 9mm in his unlocked car one night there just as he had for decades. David Van Horn and his girlfriend Dianne Lynn Wilson knew Clouse routinely did this, and took his pistol from his car one night, used it to hold him and his wife at gunpoint in their home, then tortured them to try to get information on their valuables from them. When the couple was unsuccessful in giving them information on valuables they did not have, the two miscreants poured Coleman fuel around them in the living room and set them on fire, then watched from outside while the home was fully engulfed. Mrs. Clouse died on her floor; Mr. Clouse, badly burned, jumped out a window because he chose to die by gunfire rather than just fire - he was lucky. The murderers were gone.
The killers then stole a car; they got it stuck in an arroyo not far away. When Hildago County deputies 'Chon' Trujillo and Ali Salinas found the car and were walking, guns drawn, up the arroyo to try to find the two, Van Horn shot Salinas in the head and Trujillo in the shoulder from a concealed position in the mesquite. The murderers were arrested by my officers, and both pled straight up to 1st degree murder. Neither had felony criminal histories.
Because Melvin (now dead of natural causes) wouldn't use common sense, his wife was horribly murdered, Ali Salnas permanently disabled, Chon Trujillo wounded.
If you are too stubborn to use common sense on your own behalf, use it for the good of others.
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I too am covered by the same law (18 USC 926c) and I avoid dumb places, but I in essence never go anywhere unarmed and avoid places where I can't be armed. I don't believe that there are safe places as long as there are people there.
If you are referring to a law about guns left in vehicles, there are laws of various restrictiveness in different states (and some cities) that pertain to such. I am not a fan, but we get those laws because some gun owners simply can't understand that the practice about which I am critical is dumb beyond measure. One simply must maintain control over their firearms, consistent with the realities of their life. We don't have kids, and it is at least a decade since a kid has been in the house - so I don't have to worry about kid-gun interaction. Some people do, and they have to act accordingly. I am not a fan of locks on guns, or locking them up - it's not safe because one cannot make an appointment for an emergency. The correct answer is to have the gun on your person. This is a matter of applied thought, not legislation.
This is true of other practices not related to guns, too, but they are not at issue here. If one does not act like an adult on their own, they will get treated like an irresponsible child, and the rest of us will pay for that with the same darned fool restrictions.
Well, here is why they keep doing it, this guy arrested 4 times, cases dropped, maybe a slap on the wrist.
Might as well give him an big "ATTABOY". And a Kick to the parents leaving their kids in a car!
"A 19-year-old man suspected of stealing an idling car with two children inside in New Orleans has been arrested four times in the past year on several auto theft and theft-related allegations, court records show — including one case last year in which he was also accused of stealing a car with a child inside.
In all those previous arrests, authorities declined to pursue cases."
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Might as well give him an big "ATTABOY". And a Kick to the parents leaving their kids in a car!
"A 19-year-old man suspected of stealing an idling car with two children inside in New Orleans has been arrested four times in the past year on several auto theft and theft-related allegations, court records show — including one case last year in which he was also accused of stealing a car with a child inside.
In all those previous arrests, authorities declined to pursue cases."
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Chief Wiggums
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Once I read "the dog was safely recovered" , I stopped reading.
Close and lock your doors , this should be a given such as saying your prayers and brushing your teeth.
Close and lock your doors , this should be a given such as saying your prayers and brushing your teeth.
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Yep. Car thief walks. No consequences. Car owners/parents probably got probation for child endangerment along with some CPS supervision.
SAFireman
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I can not abide in blaming the victims of crime. Yeah, there are some boneheaded folks that are asking for something to happen, but it takes a criminal to commit a crime.
Now, if we could blame the victims for failing to 'take care of business' then we might be a able to curtail some of this foolishness. I believe that it is your duty as an American to be armed and to come to the defense of yourself and your community. Too many people just don't want to be involved for some fear of this or that. People can sleep comfortably in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf...I think we need more of those rough men
Now, if we could blame the victims for failing to 'take care of business' then we might be a able to curtail some of this foolishness. I believe that it is your duty as an American to be armed and to come to the defense of yourself and your community. Too many people just don't want to be involved for some fear of this or that. People can sleep comfortably in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf...I think we need more of those rough men
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