CMP to receive shipment from Phillipines.

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The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters. This would be one of the largest shipments of M1 Garand rifles back to the US in recent years.

I've purchased half a dozen M1 rifles, a couple of M1903's, and a half dozen M44US training rifles through the CMP and have never been disappointed.

This is good news for those who have not yet been able to acquire one of the "finest battle implements ever devised" according to General Patton.
 
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That's great news. If they are WW II leftovers that adds big time to their history. I got a really nice one from CMP years ago but it was made in 1955.
 
This is truly good news, and I trust the US Government won't be doing anything now to block these Garands from coming back home.

I got my own M1 -- made in the spring of 1945 at Springfield Armory -- many years ago from what was then the Director of Civilian Marksmanship. I had to go to Fort Meade, Maryland, for training -- which included shooting -- before I could qualify to buy it. I also had to be fingerprinted, and then wait more than a year before it was delivered.

If memory serves me, I paid $200 or $250 for it. :)
 
Faulkner said:
The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters. This would be one of the largest shipments of M1 Garand rifles back to the US in recent years.
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Unfortunately, this information does not come from the CMP, itself, but from a website called The Firearm Blog.

Quoting from their website:

"BREAKING: Civilian Marksmanship Program May Receive 86,000 M1 Garand Rifles from the Phillipines"

And:

"The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters."

And:

"Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer of the CMP, commented on the possible upcoming delivery to The Firearm Blog: 'There are 86,000 or so M1s hopefully coming back to the Army. We hope to see them in the future'"

The italics in the above quotations are mine. So far, it's just speculation about the Garands.

The CMP has a mailing list for people interested in CMP news and updates. I'm on it. I've received no word at all about Garands, and the CMP is really good about keeping their members up to date on stuff.

Plus, even if it does happen, it won't be like the CMP gets the rifles in on a Monday and then starts selling them the next week. All of 'em will have to be inspected, cleaned, possibly repaired, and then graded so the CMP can determine how to price them. That's a lot of time consuming work. They might get the rifles in and not sell a one of them until 2018.

It'll be great if this actually happens, but don't get your hopes up yet.

Watchdog's Tip of the Day: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
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DWalt said:
Details? Hasn't the problem been in getting import approval from the State Department? Has that situation changed yet?
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You are correct. And no, the situation has not changed.
 
Hasn't the problem been in getting import approval from the State Department?
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The only way CMP can get these rifles is if they are US property lent to the Philippines. If these rifles were sold to the Philippines, CPM cannot receive and resell these guns. They are not chartered with the Federal Government for that. The Federal Government does not require permission from itself in order to take possession of it's own property.

I think the problem here is confusing what the situation is with the Phillippino M1's with that of the M1's which are owned by the Republic of South Korea. In that instance, a private importer would both have to strike a deal with South Korea to purchase the rifles and also get the necessary sign-offs from the Feds in order to import them for sale here. The CMP would never see any South Korean M1's as their deal with the Feds does not allow for that type of operation.

Bruce
 
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Plus, even if it does happen, it won't be like the CMP gets the rifles in on a Monday and then starts selling them the next week. All of 'em will have to be inspected, cleaned, possibly repaired, and then graded so the CMP can determine how to price them. That's a lot of time consuming work. They might get the rifles in and not sell a one of them until 2018. It'll be great if this actually happens, but don't get your hopes up yet.
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And I gripe cleaning a few guns after a range session! Can you imagine cleaning 86,000! I don't know what kind of staff the CMP has, but spending just 10 minutes a rifle is 14,333 hours. In 40 hour work weeks that's 358 weeks or almost 7 years of gun cleaning for one man with no vacations working 40 hours a week!
 
6518John said:
And I gripe cleaning a few guns after a range session! Can you imagine cleaning 86,000! I don't know what kind of staff the CMP has, but spending just 10 minutes a rifle is 14,333 hours. In 40 hour work weeks that's 358 weeks or almost 7 years of gun cleaning for one man with no vacations working 40 hours a week!
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But for some folks like me who have time available - wouldn't it be fun to spend a week or so there as a volunteer cleaning rifles? I'd do it in a heartbeat! I don't own a Garand, but it sure would be cool to be a part of bringing a bunch back. And I'd bet I'd learn a TON TON TON about them.

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otisrush said:
But for some folks like me who have time available - wouldn't it be fun to spend a week or so there as a volunteer cleaning rifles? I'd do it in a heartbeat! I don't own a Garand, but it sure would be cool to be a part of bringing a bunch back. And I'd bet I'd learn a TON TON TON about them.

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Last I knew the CMP does take volunteers.
My brother spent a week there several years ago. You may wish to check into the opportunity.
 
Arik said:
I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling they will be well used and overpriced.
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Hard to say about the usage. Some may have been for parade use only. They love parades over there.
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Or maybe only for firing squads. They like those, too.
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Others may have been dragged through the mountains and jungle mud for years. The Phillipines aren't the best environment for firearms...they won't be museum pieces, that's for sure.

Overpriced? When you get into the collectors' markets it's hard to say what's overpriced. Especially for people who collect and shoot militaria. You get into that whole it's-worth-what-someone-will-pay-for-it mindset. I'd say the CMP prices their stuff fairly...much more realistically than sellers on online auction and sale sites.

All this is just "what if" thinking, anyway.
 
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