Concerned that NJ will soon come down hard on guns

[lrrifleman]

Slight relaxation of concealed carry in NJ?

Apparently this past Friday, the governor and the Attorney General 's office made an administrative move to relax the carry permit system in NJ. It seems that 3 simple words are being added, implying that if there is a bona fide imminent threat or history of violence, in the realm of justifiable cause, the authorities are being authorized to issue a carry permit. This is on the heels of a woman protected by restraining order that was murdered by her ex boyfriend while waiting for a purchase permit that had exceeded the statutory limits for issuance. NJ is still a "may issue state", but it looks like a thaw.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Apparently this past Friday, the governor and the Attorney General 's office made an administrative move to relax the carry permit system in NJ. It seems that 3 simple words are being added, implying that if there is a bona fide imminent threat or history of violence, in the realm of justifiable cause, the authorities are being authorized to issue a carry permit. This is on the heels of a woman protected by restraining order that was murdered by her ex boyfriend while waiting for a purchase permit that had exceeded the statutory limits for issuance. NJ is still a "may issue state", but it looks like a thaw.

New Jersey has some areas with a very high murder rate, but overall, the state is below the national average and the "safe" areas are way below the average.

Therefore, no thaw in New Jersey unless and until violent crime increases to the point that the anti gun crowd in the expensive suburbs feel a threat to their personal safety.
Not a rant, just the way it is.

 

[vito]

Its nice to see a little be of rational thinking enter the mind of NJ officials, but as long as they still see a gun as something too dangerous for law abiding citizens unless they, the government leaders, deem the citizen worthy of having an ability to protect oneself. Recent cases such as the licensed individual who crossed into NJ from PA and only avoided jail due to the uproar in the media, or the elderly professor who had an old flintlock (or maybe it was a matchlock) pistol in his glove compartment and was arrested shows that this state is still spitting on rather than upholding the 2nd Amendment. And in NJ, I do not believe that it is a partisan issue, it seems that both Republicans and Democrats are fine with leaving the general populace defenseless.

 

[lrrifleman]

@ Bushmaster,

Actually, a recent murder in Berlin has actually prompted this semi change. A woman in Berlin had a restraining order against a former boyfriend, and actually had paperwork in process to obtain a purchase permit. Sadly, the Berlin PD exceeded the statutory limits for acting on the application at the time she was murdered by the boyfriend. This blatant act has precipitated the current movement.

Sadly, the NJ Constitution (of 1947, I believe) doesn't give citizens of the state the legal right to self defense. A person in NJ must exhaust all avenues of retreat before they can resort to force in order to protect themselves. Until that right is recognized, any movement in the thawing of the anti gun legislation is a hollow shell of progress. The movement introduced by Christie and the AG's office is a mere token, since under what they propose, a person would have to qualify for a restraining order, and currently, having been a victim of domestic violence is considered an automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit.

 

[vito]

"and currently, having been a victim of domestic violence is considered an automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit." Is this a typo? I would think in a sane world it would be an immediate qualifier. But then again, this is NJ we are talking about.

 

[mike from st pete]

I heard that NJ will steal some of your money if you sell property there and move out of that state.
Is that true? If so my old home state is way worse than when I left.

 

[lrrifleman]

@ Vito,

That is not a typo. According to several lawyers that I know, if you have been a victim of domestic violence, that is seen as an automatic disqualifier. Additionally, on the purchase permit application if you state that you want the firearm for self defense, that has been a disqualifier as far back as I can remember ... going to the mid 1970s.

Yes, apparently NJ has imposed an exit tax on real estate sold if you are leaving the state. It is supposed to be collected at closing. I discovered this when I started to look for property out of state. I have heard mixed comments about this. Some have said that the exit tax is aggressively enforced at closing, others have said that it isn't collected.

 

[625-7]

Radio free state

Here in radio free Pennsylvania we can actually read and comprehend the Constitution of the United States of America, it's amendments and Bill of Rights. Starting with the politicians and following with the citizens and wanna bees, wake up, read it and go to work. Your play book for the day.

 

[ladder13]

@ Vito,

That is not a typo. According to several lawyers that I know, if you have been a victim of domestic violence, that is seen as an automatic disqualifier. Additionally, on the purchase permit application if you state that you want the firearm for self defense, that has been a disqualifier as far back as I can remember ... going to the mid 1970s.

Yes, apparently NJ has imposed an exit tax on real estate sold if you are leaving the state. It is supposed to be collected at closing. I discovered this when I started to look for property out of state. I have heard mixed comments about this. Some have said that the exit tax is aggressively enforced at closing, others have said that it isn't collected.

The City of Yonkers has the same tax on sales, it used to be 3% of the sales price but last I heard was 1%.
I guess the politicians, with all the people fleeing NJ and NY, think it's a boondoggle for the municipalities.

 

[TeaDub]

Every time I read threads like this one, it seems as if I'm reading about a foreign country. How can the laws in regards to the 2nd Amendment and simple self defense be so radically different?

My sympathies to all y'all that live under the yoke of the NJ government. I'm thankful that I have lived nearly my whole life under different circumstances. NJ seems to be different from NY or CA. The size of the state is so small, that a longer commute (from PA) to work would be something to deeply consider. Costly in the short term, to be sure. In the long term tho, savings in future taxes (PA vs NJ) might recoup some of the "thievery" being practiced with their exit tax.

Keep fighting for changes as you can up there. Even a small victory is a good thing! All of us need to take NJ laws to heart. If the rest of us relax our vigilance, we could be in the same boat.

 

[psjoe]

Did 2M people really leave N.J. because of high taxes? | NJ.com


People are fleeing N.J. faster than any other state, moving company says | NJ.com

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Every time I read threads like this one, it seems as if I'm reading about a foreign country. How can the laws in regards to the 2nd Amendment and simple self defense be so radically different?

Things change and sometimes we forget....

Below is how things worked in Tennessee just 25 years ago. Today, our boys in Nashville can't stop dreaming up new pro-gun laws.

So ya know... there's an ebb and flow to all this stuff... Maybe one day New Jersey will have more gun freedoms than Tennessee does today... ya never know.

Prior to 1989, Tennessee was a limited "open carry" state. Tennessee's open carry law was limited to "army or navy" pistols but only if such pistols were carried openly in the hand. The statute did not allow citizens to holster the weapons or to carry these types of pistols concealed. A person would have to become a special deputy or receive a special police commission in order carry a handgun that did not fit the "army or navy" designation. These commissions were also necessary if the individual wanted to carry the weapon concealed or holstered.