Concerned that NJ will soon come down hard on guns

[vito]

So if I decided to buy a vacation home in NJ, and then later sold it, I would be paying an 8.9% tax because I am not a resident of NJ? That's pretty outrageous. Of course, with the anti-gun climate in NJ I would not even consider buying anything there, let alone property. NJ won't even allow you to pump your own gas. Last year, while passing through that awful state on my way to NY to visit my elderly mother, I had to wait what seemed like forever at a gas station while the attendants were having some sort of dispute inside the office of the station.

I wonder how anyone who cares about the 2nd Amendment could tolerate living in NJ, or any of the states where gun ownership is looked at as just one step below being a terrorist. Especially when for many people, living in PA, which is much more gun friendly, is only a short drive away.

 

[sandmansans]

So if I decided to buy a vacation home in NJ, and then later sold it, I would be paying an 8.9% tax because I am not a resident of NJ? That's pretty outrageous. Of course, with the anti-gun climate in NJ I would not even consider buying anything there, let alone property. NJ won't even allow you to pump your own gas. Last year, while passing through that awful state on my way to NY to visit my elderly mother, I had to wait what seemed like forever at a gas station while the attendants were having some sort of dispute inside the office of the station.

I wonder how anyone who cares about the 2nd Amendment could tolerate living in NJ, or any of the states where gun ownership is looked at as just one step below being a terrorist. Especially when for many people, living in PA, which is much more gun friendly, is only a short drive away.

I ask myself that very same question ever time I have to leave my edc at home, to drive into NJ to pick up my daughter. Lol frankly a big part of why the mother and I aren't together, is due to my refusale to move to that cesspool.

 

[vito]

The way I feel about NJ (and NY, MD, CA and a few other states) is how I used to feel about living in IL. Due to my job I could not reside in another state. Fortunately, by the time I was retired and able to consider leaving we saw the passage of concealed carry law here, and while not perfect, IL has become a fairly friendly state for firearms. I still hate IL, but now its just for the corruption, high taxes, and lack of hope for a better future. If I could sell my home without taking an enormous financial loss I would do so and move as quickly as possible. In the meantime, I can carry, own guns and for the most part have my 2nd Amendment rights respected.

 

[ladder13]

Wasn't going to respond because these threads come up so often and I hear the same over and over, but sometimes you can't help yourself
Moving, while I agree to a large extent is great, is not feasible for many people and a quite simplistic solution to a bigger problem. Careers, finances, family, health reasons, etc, all factor in.
My MIL was living alone for the past 10 years and there was no way my wife was leaving her to fend for herself. Was I supposed to abandon her just so I could own 15rd mags? Some may have, but that's not in my DNA.
She recently passed, and now we're getting ready to leave NY. There's many reasons to leave, gun ownership is one of many, but not at the top of my list. If it were, I'd be moving to one of the Constitutional Carry States, as anything less is being "infringed".
I'll be moving to one of those "less infringed" states , and while not perfect(what state is?), sure to be better than where I am now.

I'm sure the OP has valid reasons, for him and his family, as to why he stays in NJ, and I respect that.

Ramble is done for today.

 

[paupal]

Go to Wikipedia and search "G. Gordon Liddy" He put the situation and action perfectly. Go ahead and read it.

 

[pharmer]

I lived the first 26 years in NJ and the next 36 in the great State of Florida. I'd "do a dime at Rahway" for something I do every day here. I left NJ with nothing and since that's what life there was worth, we're even. Joe

 

[Frank237]

Another EX NJ resident. Moved to MT in 1979...never looked back.

I doubt that 10% of NJ residents are gun owners or pro gun. I'd bet it's more like 5% if even that high.

Don't miss their crazy gun laws.....I do miss the great Italian food though.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Call me a wimp if you want.

I don't call people names.

I will comply and let someone else be the test case.

Said all the "good Germans" when the NAZI party took over their country.

"I will not comply. I will not sit down. I will not shut up. I will not be disarmed. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem."

So far, it's still a free country. I would not stay somewhere liberty is unconstitutionally constrained, and I cannot understand those who would.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Something many don't realize is that NJ has imposed an 8% exit tax on any property owner that sells their property then leaves the state. The exit tax is levied on the sale of the property, and is withheld at closing.

Burn the sumbitch down.* Let the state sue the insurance company.

It is not easy to flee this state.

Sure it is. All you'd be leaving behind is stuff and servitude.

*(Hyperbole. I am not advocating the commission of a felony.)

 

[jaaeatax]

Civil Disobedience....The US Constitution takes presidence over other laws...

 

[lrrifleman]

Slight relaxation of concealed carry in NJ?

Apparently this past Friday, the governor and the Attorney General 's office made an administrative move to relax the carry permit system in NJ. It seems that 3 simple words are being added, implying that if there is a bona fide imminent threat or history of violence, in the realm of justifiable cause, the authorities are being authorized to issue a carry permit. This is on the heels of a woman protected by restraining order that was murdered by her ex boyfriend while waiting for a purchase permit that had exceeded the statutory limits for issuance. NJ is still a "may issue state", but it looks like a thaw.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Apparently this past Friday, the governor and the Attorney General 's office made an administrative move to relax the carry permit system in NJ. It seems that 3 simple words are being added, implying that if there is a bona fide imminent threat or history of violence, in the realm of justifiable cause, the authorities are being authorized to issue a carry permit. This is on the heels of a woman protected by restraining order that was murdered by her ex boyfriend while waiting for a purchase permit that had exceeded the statutory limits for issuance. NJ is still a "may issue state", but it looks like a thaw.

New Jersey has some areas with a very high murder rate, but overall, the state is below the national average and the "safe" areas are way below the average.

Therefore, no thaw in New Jersey unless and until violent crime increases to the point that the anti gun crowd in the expensive suburbs feel a threat to their personal safety.
Not a rant, just the way it is.

 

[vito]

Its nice to see a little be of rational thinking enter the mind of NJ officials, but as long as they still see a gun as something too dangerous for law abiding citizens unless they, the government leaders, deem the citizen worthy of having an ability to protect oneself. Recent cases such as the licensed individual who crossed into NJ from PA and only avoided jail due to the uproar in the media, or the elderly professor who had an old flintlock (or maybe it was a matchlock) pistol in his glove compartment and was arrested shows that this state is still spitting on rather than upholding the 2nd Amendment. And in NJ, I do not believe that it is a partisan issue, it seems that both Republicans and Democrats are fine with leaving the general populace defenseless.

 

[lrrifleman]

@ Bushmaster,

Actually, a recent murder in Berlin has actually prompted this semi change. A woman in Berlin had a restraining order against a former boyfriend, and actually had paperwork in process to obtain a purchase permit. Sadly, the Berlin PD exceeded the statutory limits for acting on the application at the time she was murdered by the boyfriend. This blatant act has precipitated the current movement.

Sadly, the NJ Constitution (of 1947, I believe) doesn't give citizens of the state the legal right to self defense. A person in NJ must exhaust all avenues of retreat before they can resort to force in order to protect themselves. Until that right is recognized, any movement in the thawing of the anti gun legislation is a hollow shell of progress. The movement introduced by Christie and the AG's office is a mere token, since under what they propose, a person would have to qualify for a restraining order, and currently, having been a victim of domestic violence is considered an automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit.

 

[vito]

"and currently, having been a victim of domestic violence is considered an automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit." Is this a typo? I would think in a sane world it would be an immediate qualifier. But then again, this is NJ we are talking about.

 

[mike from st pete]

I heard that NJ will steal some of your money if you sell property there and move out of that state.
Is that true? If so my old home state is way worse than when I left.

 

[lrrifleman]

@ Vito,

That is not a typo. According to several lawyers that I know, if you have been a victim of domestic violence, that is seen as an automatic disqualifier. Additionally, on the purchase permit application if you state that you want the firearm for self defense, that has been a disqualifier as far back as I can remember ... going to the mid 1970s.

Yes, apparently NJ has imposed an exit tax on real estate sold if you are leaving the state. It is supposed to be collected at closing. I discovered this when I started to look for property out of state. I have heard mixed comments about this. Some have said that the exit tax is aggressively enforced at closing, others have said that it isn't collected.

 

[625-7]

Radio free state

Here in radio free Pennsylvania we can actually read and comprehend the Constitution of the United States of America, it's amendments and Bill of Rights. Starting with the politicians and following with the citizens and wanna bees, wake up, read it and go to work. Your play book for the day.

 

[ladder13]

@ Vito,

That is not a typo. According to several lawyers that I know, if you have been a victim of domestic violence, that is seen as an automatic disqualifier. Additionally, on the purchase permit application if you state that you want the firearm for self defense, that has been a disqualifier as far back as I can remember ... going to the mid 1970s.

Yes, apparently NJ has imposed an exit tax on real estate sold if you are leaving the state. It is supposed to be collected at closing. I discovered this when I started to look for property out of state. I have heard mixed comments about this. Some have said that the exit tax is aggressively enforced at closing, others have said that it isn't collected.

The City of Yonkers has the same tax on sales, it used to be 3% of the sales price but last I heard was 1%.
I guess the politicians, with all the people fleeing NJ and NY, think it's a boondoggle for the municipalities.

 

[TeaDub]

Every time I read threads like this one, it seems as if I'm reading about a foreign country. How can the laws in regards to the 2nd Amendment and simple self defense be so radically different?

My sympathies to all y'all that live under the yoke of the NJ government. I'm thankful that I have lived nearly my whole life under different circumstances. NJ seems to be different from NY or CA. The size of the state is so small, that a longer commute (from PA) to work would be something to deeply consider. Costly in the short term, to be sure. In the long term tho, savings in future taxes (PA vs NJ) might recoup some of the "thievery" being practiced with their exit tax.

Keep fighting for changes as you can up there. Even a small victory is a good thing! All of us need to take NJ laws to heart. If the rest of us relax our vigilance, we could be in the same boat.

 

[psjoe]

Did 2M people really leave N.J. because of high taxes? | NJ.com


People are fleeing N.J. faster than any other state, moving company says | NJ.com

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Every time I read threads like this one, it seems as if I'm reading about a foreign country. How can the laws in regards to the 2nd Amendment and simple self defense be so radically different?

Things change and sometimes we forget....

Below is how things worked in Tennessee just 25 years ago. Today, our boys in Nashville can't stop dreaming up new pro-gun laws.

So ya know... there's an ebb and flow to all this stuff... Maybe one day New Jersey will have more gun freedoms than Tennessee does today... ya never know.

Prior to 1989, Tennessee was a limited "open carry" state. Tennessee's open carry law was limited to "army or navy" pistols but only if such pistols were carried openly in the hand. The statute did not allow citizens to holster the weapons or to carry these types of pistols concealed. A person would have to become a special deputy or receive a special police commission in order carry a handgun that did not fit the "army or navy" designation. These commissions were also necessary if the individual wanted to carry the weapon concealed or holstered.