Concerned that NJ will soon come down hard on guns
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Not to be harsh but this is a perfect example of being pro-gun and pro-2A being two totally different things
This is rashsional fear of the reality we face. Law abiding responsible gun owners worry about the consequences of our actions - a criminal is not going to care about this stuff. And all this governmental nickel and dime regulation is done in the name of public safety that hasn't really made us all any safer, because the state and fed regulators haven't addressed the root cause or issues of the problem.
In a post above, I made a light hearted comment about a million man march on DC. It may be time for our community to SERIOUSLY think about such things. Peaceful demonstrations in major cities to express our frustration over the direction of gun regulations that do not accomplish anything.
vito
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With how virulent the anti-gun sentiment is in NJ, I doubt that 1/3rd of the population own guns. The national rate of 1/3rd is a balance of states where gun ownership is probably close to 100% and states like NJ, MA, MD, HI and some others where gun ownership is likely very low. I know from personal experience that when people are born and raised in an anti-gun area, and where the "mainstream" politicians are universally opposed to private gun ownership, the public accepts the anti-gun position as the normal or natural position. I hav relatives in NY (in the suburbs as well as NYC) who strongly believe that only the police and the military should be allowed to own guns. That the unarmed citizenry is preyed upon by armed thugs seems not to change their belief structure one iota. As I have stated on other threads, to these NY relatives I am the "crazy uncle" just for owning guns. The fact that I am an NRA member puts me, in their opinions, outside even the boundaries of sanity because it is fully accepted in their circles that the NRA is the enemy, the Republicans are evil, and they believe that they are superior in every way to the country bumpkins that live in the rest of the country.
Philadelphia Patriot
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My girlfriend lives in NJ, and I live in PA. Without any hesitation she accepted the fact we're staying in PA when we get married. She wants her LTCF, and she's all ready practicing with my shield that she claimed is hers once we're married.
Especially after DC vs Heller there is no reason why any state should be anything other than constitutional or shall issue.
As long as New Jersey is controlled by the Demoncrats, you will see loads of anti 2A legislation. The major cities in the state are magnets for entitlement recipients, and they tend to vote to repay their benefactors.
Escaping the state is not that easy. Many will not leave until they sell their homes. Atlantic County has an unemployment rate that surpasses the national average. The rural community that I live in has a vacancy/foreclosure rate that is approaching 20%. My kids and I are ready to relocate, but I can't afford to relocate with a second property hanging over my head.
Something many don't realize is that NJ has imposed an 8% exit tax on any property owner that sells their property then leaves the state. The exit tax is levied on the sale of the property, and is withheld at closing.
It is not easy to flee this state.
Escaping the state is not that easy. Many will not leave until they sell their homes. Atlantic County has an unemployment rate that surpasses the national average. The rural community that I live in has a vacancy/foreclosure rate that is approaching 20%. My kids and I are ready to relocate, but I can't afford to relocate with a second property hanging over my head.
Something many don't realize is that NJ has imposed an 8% exit tax on any property owner that sells their property then leaves the state. The exit tax is levied on the sale of the property, and is withheld at closing.
It is not easy to flee this state.
8%???
A friend of mine sold his house in Howell and moved to NC, he never mentioned the exit tax but why would he. He retired and moved the next month, his house sold in 2 weeks, and he vows never to return.
He's been on a gun buying spree since he got down there.
This thread reminds me of the woman that crossed over the line from Pa. Into N.J. and got the boots taken to here by this lousy state of New Jersey. Forgot what the outcome was. Also some guy that they screwed for possessing a flintlock pistol from 200 years ago!!! Unreal!!!! State is as bad as Ma.
How is that even legal? Is there some requirement that you tell them where you are going to live, and is there a time limit? Why can't you say are moving in with relatives or say you are going to be homeless and plan on staying at a shelter? Regardless, how can they tax you for choosing to live somewhere else. This sounds like what used to happen to Jews who wanted to leave The Soviet Union for Israel, to leave they had to forfeit their possessions to the state.
It's 8.9% on property sold by non-residents - it's a form of capital gains tax. Complex to understand and not really working all that well.
vito
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So if I decided to buy a vacation home in NJ, and then later sold it, I would be paying an 8.9% tax because I am not a resident of NJ? That's pretty outrageous. Of course, with the anti-gun climate in NJ I would not even consider buying anything there, let alone property. NJ won't even allow you to pump your own gas. Last year, while passing through that awful state on my way to NY to visit my elderly mother, I had to wait what seemed like forever at a gas station while the attendants were having some sort of dispute inside the office of the station.
I wonder how anyone who cares about the 2nd Amendment could tolerate living in NJ, or any of the states where gun ownership is looked at as just one step below being a terrorist. Especially when for many people, living in PA, which is much more gun friendly, is only a short drive away.
I wonder how anyone who cares about the 2nd Amendment could tolerate living in NJ, or any of the states where gun ownership is looked at as just one step below being a terrorist. Especially when for many people, living in PA, which is much more gun friendly, is only a short drive away.
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I ask myself that very same question ever time I have to leave my edc at home, to drive into NJ to pick up my daughter. Lol frankly a big part of why the mother and I aren't together, is due to my refusale to move to that cesspool.
vito
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The way I feel about NJ (and NY, MD, CA and a few other states) is how I used to feel about living in IL. Due to my job I could not reside in another state. Fortunately, by the time I was retired and able to consider leaving we saw the passage of concealed carry law here, and while not perfect, IL has become a fairly friendly state for firearms. I still hate IL, but now its just for the corruption, high taxes, and lack of hope for a better future. If I could sell my home without taking an enormous financial loss I would do so and move as quickly as possible. In the meantime, I can carry, own guns and for the most part have my 2nd Amendment rights respected.
Wasn't going to respond because these threads come up so often and I hear the same over and over, but sometimes you can't help yourself 
Moving, while I agree to a large extent is great, is not feasible for many people and a quite simplistic solution to a bigger problem. Careers, finances, family, health reasons, etc, all factor in.
My MIL was living alone for the past 10 years and there was no way my wife was leaving her to fend for herself. Was I supposed to abandon her just so I could own 15rd mags?
Some may have, but that's not in my DNA.
She recently passed, and now we're getting ready to leave NY. There's many reasons to leave, gun ownership is one of many, but not at the top of my list. If it were, I'd be moving to one of the Constitutional Carry States, as anything less is being "infringed".
I'll be moving to one of those "less infringed" states
, and while not perfect(what state is?), sure to be better than where I am now.
I'm sure the OP has valid reasons, for him and his family, as to why he stays in NJ, and I respect that.
Ramble is done for today.
Moving, while I agree to a large extent is great, is not feasible for many people and a quite simplistic solution to a bigger problem. Careers, finances, family, health reasons, etc, all factor in.
My MIL was living alone for the past 10 years and there was no way my wife was leaving her to fend for herself. Was I supposed to abandon her just so I could own 15rd mags?
Some may have, but that's not in my DNA.She recently passed, and now we're getting ready to leave NY. There's many reasons to leave, gun ownership is one of many, but not at the top of my list. If it were, I'd be moving to one of the Constitutional Carry States, as anything less is being "infringed".
I'll be moving to one of those "less infringed" states
, and while not perfect(what state is?), sure to be better than where I am now.I'm sure the OP has valid reasons, for him and his family, as to why he stays in NJ, and I respect that.
Ramble is done for today.
paupal
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Go to Wikipedia and search "G. Gordon Liddy" He put the situation and action perfectly. Go ahead and read it.
I lived the first 26 years in NJ and the next 36 in the great State of Florida. I'd "do a dime at Rahway" for something I do every day here. I left NJ with nothing and since that's what life there was worth, we're even. Joe
Frank237
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Another EX NJ resident. Moved to MT in 1979...never looked back.
I doubt that 10% of NJ residents are gun owners or pro gun. I'd bet it's more like 5% if even that high.
Don't miss their crazy gun laws.....I do miss the great Italian food though.
I doubt that 10% of NJ residents are gun owners or pro gun. I'd bet it's more like 5% if even that high.
Don't miss their crazy gun laws.....I do miss the great Italian food though.
elm_creek_smith
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I don't call people names.
Said all the "good Germans" when the NAZI party took over their country.
"I will not comply. I will not sit down. I will not shut up. I will not be disarmed. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem."
So far, it's still a free country. I would not stay somewhere liberty is unconstitutionally constrained, and I cannot understand those who would.
elm_creek_smith
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Burn the sumbitch down.* Let the state sue the insurance company.
Sure it is. All you'd be leaving behind is stuff and servitude.
*(Hyperbole. I am not advocating the commission of a felony.)
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