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We have all seen the hype and witnessed some of the excessive panic demonstrated by people. A trusted family member sent me this and I would describe it as the voice of reason from a reliable source. We don't need to panic and/or over react but we do need to take precautions. I think this answers a lot of questions and and explains just what it is that we really need to do and what not to do.

Y'all be safe.

From James Robb, MD FCAP
Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of
pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first
molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I
was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since
then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical
transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different
animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due
to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be
widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take.
These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons,
except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc..
Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with
your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially
important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including
wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60%
alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that
involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances.
AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated
objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use
your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain
infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping,
using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in
contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This
means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these
droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that
is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially
infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless
your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only
has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way
for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or
an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you
from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day
without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is
lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from
getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your
nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the
appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be
alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be
effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying
in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when
you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down
and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx.
Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands
available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained,
BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this
snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it.
Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and
clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the
genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved.
BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or
limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially
catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all
of us! Jim.
James Robb, MD FCAP
 
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A friend sent me that same message today. Just think about all the hundreds of things you touch every day, any or all of which could be virus-contaminated. One that most forget about is supermarket baskets.

My wife has had a bad lung condition for the past 4 years, and it is almost certain that she would die if she came down with Covid-19. Today it was announced that Austin's annual SxSW event has been cancelled due to the virus fears. And that is a Very Very big deal in case you don't know anything about SxSW.
 
Can someone please explain how a fist bump is better than a handshake? Still skin to skin contact, right?
Less likely to touch the lung's entry points of your nose and mouth with your knuckles or the back side of your hand?
 
I've got people from all over the US is my area for bike week.

Glad I stopped participating in such activities.

Too many people who have no clue how to ride or when to stop drinking...plus they may be carriers!
 
Thanks for a great list of precautions, Jack.

The threat is real, and given what we have seen already about how easily it is transmitted -- especially by infected folks who haven't begun showing symptoms -- coronavirus is something to be taken very, very seriously. Panic, no. Preparation and precaution, yes. Those of us over 60 -- a goodly percentage of our Forum membership -- especially need to take heed.
 
I'm a bit concerned as Mrs. Lakesider is planing to go to Las Vegas at the end of the month for a 5 day Red Hat Convention.

That puts her on a plane both directions from Albany to Vegas + all the time in the hotels that are doing this event.

Note, the the planners of the convention are now pondering about canceling the event as most of the people going are at least 55 with many being much much older.
 
I'm glad we're making progress on the border wall can you imagine if the virus spread in Mexico and how many more people would be pouring over the border to get free health care here. Houston, Phoenix, San Diego, LA would be saturated within weeks and flights and travel from those cities would carry it all over the US very quickly.
 
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Amount of Zinc In Lozenge?

"...4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be
effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying
in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when
you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down
and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx.
Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands
available..."

My wife has been researching zinc lozenges, and it seems that between 13mg. and 23mg. of zinc per lozenge is the desirable amount. Some lozenges contain as little as 2mg. Some do not list the exact amount zinc, but say they have enough per lab testing.
Anybody know or can confirm the amount of zinc required to be effective? Pricing seems to be variable, perhaps panic pricing?
 
No doctors, vaccine, or medicine could ever hope to beat the healing power of prayer.

Guys, please pray for those with CORVID19. Some estimates put 40% of the planet will be infected with the death toll in the millions by the time this is over.
 
The people who are dying from this, at least in the US, are over 70 and/or have serious medical problems.

If you have respiratory disease, you have to be extra careful. I'd advise avoiding hospitals and nursing homes unless you absolutely have to go to those. Try as they might, it's impossible to clean every surface that you might touch in those facilities.

Hospitals are better at that than nursing homes, but no venue is perfect.

Other than that, hand washing is the key to this. I started several years ago being very careful about touching the towel dispensers, faucet handles, and doors in public rest rooms.

Oh, those electric hand driers are great for spreading germs. Here is an article if you think I'm joking, https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-the-hot-air-hand-dryer-2018051113823

Is there any good news from this study? Well, the vast majority of the microbes that were detected do not cause disease in healthy people, with the exception of Staphylococcus aureus. Some of the bathroom bacteria, such as Acinetobacter, only cause infections in people in the hospital, or in those with weak immune systems. The others that were found are relatively harmless. In addition, air from real-world bathrooms may contain fewer bacteria than the bathrooms in the study. The sampled restrooms were located in a university health sciences building, and at least some of the bacteria came from experiments going on in laboratories within the building.

Note that the biggest danger is to people who are already prone to illness.
 
One thing I believe can NOT be over stated is that the best plan is to stay cam, stay informed go about your day with due diligence. Take no chances and minimize your visits to public places to the bare minimum.

Panic and over reaction could be worse than doing nothing. And you KNOW how a lot of people are going to freak out and make things worse and more dangerous for everyone.

Cool heads prevail.

God be with us.
 
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