Cost of a custom rifle

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A friend is looking at a Cooper 223 rifle with a good Leopold scope, probably a 3x9. Some pretty serious cash. He is looking for a classic accurate rifle for some occasional varmint shooting and low level bench rest shooting. Probably got to have a great wood stock.

Who does great custom work and is he in the ball park with the cash outlay for a custom built rig?

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But would the cash outlay for a custom rifle be in the ball park for what he would shell out for the Cooper and scope? And who does the work?
Thanks
 
true custom will be a bunch more than the cooper. built by any of the big names 2-3 times more. how accurate a rifle does he need and does he have the ability to equal the capability of the rifle? although they are ugly, savage build accurate rifles beyond the ability of most.
 
When I retired at the end of 2008 I was going to treat myself to a Shiloh Sharps Model 1874, built to my specs. Cost was a little over $5,000.00, but the wait time was close to 3 years or so. I wasn't sure if I would be around to receive it, so I never had it built.:(
 
Custom work is contingent on various factors, too numerous to list here. A good "custom" fighting rifle from Mark Krebs or Jim Fuller is $2K +, using existing parts kits or base rifles. These are more custom tuned and tweaked than actually custom built. A custom hunting rifle could be had from Dakota for anywhere $5K - $10. Les Baer ARs run $2.2K - $3.5K. There are considerably more customizers to choose from based on intended usage and budget.
 
None of the rifles mentioned is a custom one.

Steven Dodd Hughes, a famed stock maker, is a member here. Hit the forum on S&W's made from about 1896-1961. He posts in there. He may see your post and PM you what he charges for stocking alone. I belleve that he works with Tom Burgess and other talented metal workers for the other parts of the rifle.

Famous custom makers have included Griffin & Howe, Dale Goens, and John Warren. Jack O'Connor's rifle maker was Al Biesen. In England, Holland & Holland, James Purdey, John Rigby (now back in business in London), Westley Richards, and W&J Jeffery & Son are among the best known..

I don't think you understand what a true custom rifle is! But the sticker shock is going to make you realize VERY quickly that you probably can't afford one. If lucky, you might find a used one for $10,000. New ones probably begin there and exceed $100,000. Some production companies, like Beretta and Merkel, make very fine guns that are standard models for them, but which are so well made and so ornate that they are almost custom arms, except that I don't believe that they measure the owner for stocking, made to order.

Several years ago, I was in the Beretta Gallery and handled a double .470 that was $45,000. H&H sometimes charge double that for their own doubles.

On the off chance that you are serious about pursuing the matter, begin by getting annual Gun Digests and seeing whose work is featured in their custom pages. And buy copies of the Rifle magazine and respond to ads from the rifle makers and stockers therein. I believe that Weatherby also still accepts custom orders. Oh: Sporting Classics magazine also has articles and ads on custom guns. Study at least two years of issues.

Keep in mind the difference between a true custom rifle and a high grade production item. In the case of the custom arm, the customer specifies the action, the barrel, all other metal work, and chooses the stocker. He chooses the sights, both iron and telescopic, and the 'scope mounts.

If you can't afford to drive a Mercedes or one of the more expensive Jaguar or BMW cars or a Rolls-Royce, you probably shouldn't be thinking of ordering a custom rifle or shotgun. They are not meant for persons of average means. They are luxury items that are also individual works of art.

Keep in mind that they usually don't shoot any better than a top grade factory rifle. Anyone who thinks that better accuracy is the motivating factor in ordering a custom rifle simply hasn't a clue to what they are about. And if you haven't been reading the Custom Guns section in Gun Digest for years, you probably aren't ready for one. Sorry, but I really believe that.

Oh: it takes a year or more, sometimes a LOT longer, to get a custom rifle, especially from the busier makers.
 
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TS is exactly correct. TRUE customs are a very different realm than the colloquially used "custom" rifle, the latter of which I referred to.

Check out the prices in H&H's NYC gun room for an idea of what a high end "Custom" costs:

Holland and Holland New York
 
Thanks to all for the great input. Let me ask you in a different way.

If you had a max of $2500 to spend on a 223 and scope with great wood and as accurate as possible what are your choices?

Thanks
 
For a .223, you're going to be looking mostly at "tactical" models with composite furniture not wood (see Les Baer, etc.). For hunting rifles, .223 is going to be a bit trickier than a caliber more hunting oriented, like 30-06, etc.

That said, $2,500 can buy a pretty decent tuned rifle, but it can also buy a very accurate stock rifle and several cases of factory ammo. A high quality scope can easily run $500 - $1,500, so find a price point for the rifle then add an adequate scope that fits the budget.
 
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I have a Cooper 21 Varminter in 223 Rem. Bought in August of 2000 fo $1000 out the door. Plus scope. I still shoot 1/8" 5 shot groups at 200 yards with it (handloads!). I know you can order customized Coopers with fancy everything or with special shooting features (Barrel length, twist, or weight) depending what you want. Dan Cooper is no longer managing the company, but the craftsman are still the same. For several years Cooper claimed the the rifles they made in 223 and 223AI were their best. I believe there are a number of outstanding varmint cartridges available and have seen the results of Coopers in 17 Hornet, 22 Hornet, 223 Rem, 223 AI, 22 BR, 22-250, 6mm BR, 6 PPC, and 243 Win. I don't think your friend will be disappointed. Ivan
 
Not .223 -specific, but if I wanted a "sort of" custom rifle, I think I'd order a Model 70 via the Winchester shop.

You could get exceptional wood, iron sights, engraving, etc. to make it about 90% of what a real custom rifle is.
 
TS is exactly correct. TRUE customs are a very different realm than the colloquially used "custom" rifle, the latter of which I referred to.

Check out the prices in H&H's NYC gun room for an idea of what a high end "Custom" costs:

Holland and Holland New York


For those too lazy to click the link, a new H&H "magazine rifle" STARTS at 25,000 pounds. What's the UK pound worth today, about $2.50? Been awhile since I checked. They do quote in pounds; not in Euros.
 
Cooper makes a nice production gun starting at about 1800.00 and up to about 6k for some semi-custom choices. Dakota is closer to custom in the 4k to 10k range. Anything out of the Remington or Winchester custom shop will run about 3k.
 
I have used a gunsmith for years that builds what I consider outstanding custom rifles.
Contact :
Vandenburg Custom
ASK HIM
Blessings
 
For $2500 I would buy a Winchester M70 with upgraded wood, a Zeiss Conquest scope, and a nice leather sling. I would then test it for accuracy and if it needed any tuning or bedding by a gunsmith I would still have a little money left for that.
 
For that kind of money ($2500.00-ish), I'd buy the Cooper, or maybe something from the Remington or Kimber custom shop.

You can have a competent gunsmith build a nice rifle for that money, but; unless a custom rifle is done by one of the major names, you're never going to get more than 1/2 the value out of it, at most, if you decide to sell later on, whereas a non-messed with quality factory gun is going to hold most of it's value. Maybe even rise, if you're lucky.

Putting the money into better wood is a better bet than a whoop-de-do scope or other features in that price range.
 
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