Could you save a hostage w / 15-22

[Boondock]

Easy, instead of aiming for the head, aim for the nads. It's a natural instinct for a man to grab his with both hands when they have been violated.....

 

[GhostMutt]

Armoured groundhogs...haha.
If you believe the 'official story' RFK was assassinated by a .22

Sirhan Sirhan stepped down from a low tray-stacker beside the ice machine, rushed past Uecker, and repeatedly fired what was later identified as a .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver.[18]

After Kennedy had fallen to the floor, Agent Barry saw Sirhan holding a gun and hit him twice in the face while others, including maîtres d' Uecker and Edward Minasian, writer George Plimpton, Olympic gold medal decathlete Rafer Johnson and professional football player Rosey Grier, forced Sirhan against the steam table and disarmed him as he continued firing his gun in random directions.[19] Five other people were also wounded: William Weisel of ABC News, Paul Schrade of the United Auto Workers union, Democratic Party activist Elizabeth Evans, Ira Goldstein of the Continental News Service and Kennedy campaign volunteer Irwin Stroll.[19]

After a minute, Sirhan wrestled free and grabbed the revolver again, but he had already fired all the bullets and was subdued.[20] Barry went to Kennedy and laid his jacket under the candidate's head, later recalling: "I knew immediately it was a .22, a small caliber, so I hoped it wouldn't be so bad, but then I saw the hole in the Senator's head, and I knew".

So it would be possible....if the perp was very close and incredibly slow witted, with the reactions of a sloth. but still possible.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Vietnam 1972, a recon team who I knew, encountered a small group of NVR' s out past the perimeter. A firefight ensued. A corporal told me later that they expended at least 600 rounds. They recovered one enemy survivor. He had been hit 17 times. He eventually recovered. All this with 5.56 cartridges.

Stop somebody in seconds with a .22? I think not.
At any sign of trouble I would certainly not have a loaded .22 as the weapon closest to me.

I have broken my own rule by responding to this type of question but.........Really?

 

[little_airwolf]

Another think is most of these range shots dont include adrenaline rush.
Even a grand master could miss because the factors are different than shooting target with consequences compared to the real deal.

 

[micocyco]

Vietnam 1972, a recon team who I knew, encountered a small group of NVR' s out past the perimeter. A firefight ensued. A corporal told me later that they expended at least 600 rounds. They recovered one enemy survivor. He had been hit 17 times. He eventually recovered. All this with 5.56 cartridges.

Stop somebody in seconds with a .22? I think not.
At any sign of trouble I would certainly not have a loaded .22 as the weapon closest to me.

I have broken my own rule by responding to this type of question but.........Really?

Well if you must break a rule your own are the ones to start with :roll eyes:
The question was not would you choose to or depend on, but could it be done.

 

[Majorlk]

Well if you must break a rule your own are the ones to start with :roll eyes:
The question was not would you choose to or depend on, but could it be done.

Highly doubtful for anyone but the most highly trained sniper or high-stress trained shooter. The most probable result of even trying is a dead hostage and a dead "defender" because he didn't get an instant kill.

Just curious how much such training you have that you would declare that you could make the shot, as you did in the original post.

 

[kbm6893]

How far away was that target? Cause I am no sniper and I put 25 shots in a dime sized target at 50 yards with a dialed in Nikon on my 10/22. Can shoot the erasers off pencils at 25 yards no problem. Your target looks like you hit it with birdshot at 25 yards

But nice drawing. I couldn't do that

 

[micocyco]

I bet the OP got a free "I Love walter Mitty" T-shirt with the purchase of his 15-22.

NO , what I got was a toy I can't play with because of ammo hoarders & those keeping stock piles to resale, or what ever other reason you want to throw in that is keeping this shortage going long after all other ammo has come back.
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But the question is a valid one, it is a fire arm that could kill you.
Given trying this or throwing a rock I think I would try.

 

[kbm6893]

Hopefully when you say, "Please don't harm my family," she will drop to the floor and he will bend his head down giving you ammo room to pleat the Perps skull off..

Is that a blue blood reference? Tom sellecks character advised his family to use that as a code word and his son shot a bad guy holding a family member. Funny how less than 1% of NYPD cops fire their weapon in a career and Danny has about 17 times. Good show though.

 

[Majorlk]

How far away was that target? Cause I am no sniper and I put 25 shots in a dime sized target at 50 yards with a dialed in Nikon on my 10/22. Can shoot the erasers off pencils at 25 yards no problem. Your target looks like you hit it with birdshot at 25 yards

But nice drawing. I couldn't do that

Doing such shooting from the bench is one thing; doing it in a highly stressful situation with large amounts of adrenaline dumped into the blood stream is a totally different matter.

I probably could if the distance was less than 10 yards, but I hope never to have to make that decision.

 

[kbm6893]

Doing such shooting from the bench is one thing; doing it in a highly stressful situation with large amounts of adrenaline dumped into the blood stream is a totally different matter.

I probably could if the distance was less than 10 yards, but I hope never to have to make that decision.

I agree. I'm not claiming to being a sniper. And a shot like that under stress would not yield the same grouping. Then again, if a .308 is off by half an inch the guy is still dead. But the OP was certainly not stressed and I'm gonna assume he was at a bench if he was staging a "sniper shot".

 

[Majorlk]

NO , what I got was a toy I can't play with because of ammo hoarders & those keeping stock piles to resale, or what ever other reason you want to throw in that is keeping this shortage going long after all other ammo has come back.
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But the question is a valid one, it is a fire arm that could kill you.
Given trying this or throwing a rock I think I would try.

(1) there is ammo available on line all over the place. You do have to put out a modicum of effort to get it though. I've bought several thousand rounds since the first of the year. Of course, I've shot several thousand rounds since the first of the year.

(2) These kinds of questions are generally asked by people whose shooting skills aren't nearly as good as they think they are. Where do I send the flowers when you botch the shot and the perp kills you and the hostage both?

 

[micocyco]

Highly doubtful for anyone but the most highly trained sniper or high-stress trained shooter. The most probable result of even trying is a dead hostage and a dead "defender" because he didn't get an instant kill.

Just curious how much such training you have that you would declare that you could make the shot, as you did in the original post.

The possibility of a dead hostage is there no matter the weapon, caliber or shooter.
Truth is this was a target I made after another poster said he got grief for using something like it. I did not get any in fact a couple of folks liked it.
This was me & the grandson goofing off. Shooting with him is mostly the only time I pull the 15-22 out anymore.
A snipper I am not but I have been hunting with rifles & shotgun all my life.
The subject of this thread came to mind as I was looking at the target.

 

[micocyco]

(1) there is ammo available on line all over the place. You do have to put out a modicum of effort to get it though. I've bought several thousand rounds since the first of the year. Of course, I've shot several thousand rounds since the first of the year.

(2) These kinds of questions are generally asked by people whose shooting skills aren't nearly as good as they think they are. Where do I send the flowers when you botch the shot and the perp kills you and the hostage both?

In Lieu of flowers just send all your friends a brick.
At any rate I would pick doing something over just watching.
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& Until I can walk into a store & buy a box or a brick of the ammo I want at a reasonable price the shortage is still going on.

 

[micocyco]

This thread is a joke, right?

It was meant to be lighthearted, but dang they some testy folks around.

 

[johncal]

Now to try to defend this and get real, I will say that if a perp is holding a hostage 10-15 ft away and I have my laser trained on his face, 1 shot would in all likelihood end it real quick. It may be a lowly 22 but a velocitor round anywhere in the face from 10 ft is going to take somebody down real quick. I don't really think one person here can argue that point at that range. We're talking somebody's face here.

Most of the time a perp can tell when you're going to make your move because you have to move to act. That's where a laser comes in. If the laser is trained on his face and your finger is on the trigger, there is nothing you have to do but slowly squeeze the trigger. There is no movement for him to observe. He can't possibly react until after he's been shot. In fact the bullet is in him before (if ever) he hears it.

This of course assumes a static situation when the perp has a weapon on the hostage, or is holding the hostage, you also have the laser trained on his face. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, holding a laser on somebody's face at 10-15ft is not that hard to do. Unless you're a real spaz.

Yes, the perp could possibly survive and kill the hostage, but they could also just shoot the hostage without warning if you do nothing. In fact I'd rather take the shot then leave my hostages fate up to some drug crazed of scared perp.

With a 22 velocitor round at 10-15 ft, I would say it will work as good as anything else. It's just a matter of how dead they need to be and how much hamburger you need to make at that point I believe.

 

[micocyco]

Now to try to defend this and get real, I will say that if a perp is holding a hostage 10-15 ft away and I have my laser trained on his face, 1 shot would in all likelihood end it real quick. It may be a lowly 22 but a velocitor round anywhere in the face from 10 ft is going to take somebody down real quick. I don't really think one person here can argue that point at that range. We're talking somebody's face here.

Most of the time a perp can tell when you're going to make your move because you have to move to act. That's where a laser comes in. If the laser is trained on his face and your finger is on the trigger, there is nothing you have to do but slowly squeeze the trigger. There is no movement for him to observe. He can't possibly react until after he's been shot. In fact the bullet is in him before (if ever) he hears it.

This of course assumes a static situation when the perp has a weapon on the hostage, or is holding the hostage, you also have the laser trained on his face. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, holding a laser on somebody's face at 10-15ft is not that hard to do. Unless you're a real spaz.

Yes, the perp could possibly survive and kill the hostage, but they could also just shoot the hostage without warning if you do nothing. In fact I'd rather take the shot then leave my hostages fate up to some drug crazed of scared perp.

With a 22 velocitor round at 10-15 ft, I would say it will work as good as anything else. It's just a matter of how dead they need to be and how much hamburger you need to make at that point I believe.

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Well the Majorlk says ,
I probably could if the distance was less than 10 yards, but I hope never to have to make that decision.
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Do I hear 15 yards , I got 10 who will go 15 , 10 give me 15, going once , twice

 

[little_airwolf]

Pointless thread
Yes a 22 can kill. The question is could you make the shot. Honest people say no or atleast say the hope never to have to.
Only one who can say for sure are those who have had to already.
Im sorry but no matter what training you have, the real deal is another level completely.

 

[roadkill45]

my minimum for shooting a coyote is a .22 mag and up, and that's a DOG! When in Africa, we used 62 grain, 5.56 green penetrator rounds and they would go zipping through the skinny w/o any apparent damage at all, hardly any wound cavitation, if it hit lungs it appeared to seal back up after going through.
we wound up collecting all the 55 grain, FMJ, and it seemed to work better. the body can take a beating sometimes and keep moving menacingly after absorbing a LOT of rounds. especially if they are on a drug, as many in war are, or crazed, or the adrenaline dump.

i do like the idea of shooting them in the 'nad's though! instant 'hands up'!!! or down!

 

[tomcatt51]

Now to try to defend this and get real, I will say that if a perp is holding a hostage 10-15 ft away and I have my laser trained on his face, 1 shot would in all likelihood end it real quick. It may be a lowly 22 but a velocitor round anywhere in the face from 10 ft is going to take somebody down real quick. I don't really think one person here can argue that point at that range. We're talking somebody's face here.

This is pure ****. I usually don't comment on these kind of wannabe threads but I'll make an exception. Even with 5.56 ball we frequently had to shoot 'em twice, or more to put them DOWN. One shot with a WELL PLACED head shot was usually enough but that opportunity was rare. .30 cal anything was better...

Facial bones are tough and angled such that rds have a bad habit of deflecting and NOT penetrating. It happens with better rds than 22 LR.

Thinkin' you're gonna be a hero with your 15-22 has little chance of turning out well.... Good Luck