Coyotes made Mistake

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Here in SE Ohio we have a terrible coyote problem. They have
wiped out the small game and have serious damaged the deer
herd. We have not been able to get anything done against them.
The coyote is not native here. All we have got were excuses and
typical denials. Now the coyotes overplayed their hand. They
killed a horse at a bording ranch. Now all of a sudden there is
going to be a meeting at Centerville, Ohio- with DNR and other
state agencies. I will be going, wearing a rain coat, "to keep my
back from getting wet"
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Coyotes- Centerville, Belmont Cnty, Ohio
 
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Ask if the name Taylor Mitchell means anything to them. She was a good singer until two coyotes pulled her down and mortally injured her. This was in New Brunswick, I believe, in a Canadian natl. park. She was from Toronto.

You can hear her music on YouTube.
 
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We had one particular 'yote plaguing our poultry. I believe he was a dog hybrid as he looked all coyote but was nearly twice as big as the scroungy little 'yotes we usually see. Cleared a 5' fence without touching it. Knew when my dogs were away from the chickens and would jump the fence and take his pick and be gone in a flash. I never could get a safe shot at him. It's the first time a coyote has ever outsmarted my Anatolians. I moved the poultry to a neighboring property with more protection and he hasn't been around since.
 
You should know that a federal agency, I believe I remember as the "US Dept. of Agriculture" employs several hired 'pest eradicators'. Their main job anymore is elimination of excess coyotes by calling them in and shooting them. I fixed a Ruger 10-22 for one as about the last LEO Armorer job that I did before retirement. The rifle was suppressed which got my curiosity up. I ask him what he did with the rifle. He said he had been killing coyotes around the edge of town for three months. He worked evenings and mornings calling coyotes. He gave me his card which I have misplaced. He said that the USDA employed several of them and their 'services' were obtainable by cities and counties by contacting the USDA. Because of possible uproar by the usual suspect bleeding heart do-gooders, he said they kept a very low profile.

You might have the officials in Ohio look into this. Until my Chief introduced this control agent to me I had no idea they existed nor had I heard of anyone shooting coyotes right at the edge of my town for three months. ............
 
Here in the East, we have 2 major coyote problems. The coyotes
themselves and the cover up for which bunch of DNR are responsible for importing them in. Nothing makes you madder
than some snot nosed official telling you coyotes have always
been here, you just didn't see them. It also doesn't help for a
bunch of "animal activist" types to be spouting off on something
they know nothing about. I think it is going to take a bounty
program to wipe out the coyote. I doesn't pay to mess with
Mother Nature!
 
Here in SE Ohio we have a terrible coyote problem. They have
wiped out the small game and have serious damaged the deer
herd. We have not been able to get anything done against them.
The coyote is not native here. All we have got were excuses and
typical denials.

What more do you "want done"? In Ohio, it's open season on coyotes all year with no bag limit. The state can't legally or ethically put out poison that would kill anything and everything that eats it. I think there may be some restrictions on coyote hunting during deer season, but that isn't year round. I suppose the state could organize a series of organized hunts, like what was done for black bears in some state, or for the big snakes in Florida. Other than that, what are you gonna do?

As far as coyotes not being native to Ohio goes, coyotes are actually native to the entire North American continent. Their populations will spread into any and every state that offers an abundance of small game for them to prey on.

Contrary to popular belief, coyotes have not been "introduced" to any state, including Ohio and West Virginia, to "control" other species. That's baloney, no matter who says it. No, coyotes were not imported into Ohio by "college boys".

Now the coyotes overplayed their hand. They
killed a horse at a bording ranch. Now all of a sudden there is
going to be a meeting at Centerville, Ohio- with DNR and other
state agencies.

When and where will this meeting take place? I'll be interested to hear what comes out of it.

In reference to the horse being killed, I haven't seen any reports that blame just coyotes. According to an article in Ohio's The State Journal, this took place at the RJ Ranch in Jacobsburg.

Quoting from that article: "The USDA and the game warden have both been on site. They say it was either a coyote, a coy-dog, a bobcat, or an eastern cougar, because they've all been seen in the Jacobsburg-Centerville area."

The article is way short on facts, saying that the horse was found two days later. No one says how far away from the ranch or even where it was found, but the implication is that it was far enough away so that it wasn't easily found. I don't believe there's a coyote on the planet that can drag a full grown horse any distance at all. A deer or a sheep or a calf, sure. But a horse weighing hundreds of pounds? No. And I don't believe coyotes in a pack would actually work together to drag a kill off to another place. They'd be too busy eating. Like most canines, coyotes are gorge eaters. They'll return to a kill, but don't drag it away to hide it like cougars and other really large predators do.

The article also says coyotes are "potentially" killing animals. The rest of the article is devoted to a couple of a coyote scare anecdotes.

Fact of the matter is, no one knows for sure just what kind of animal killed the horse.
 
I took out 6 of them on my property last weekend. The small game is breathing a little easier I think.

If you live in some of the more rural areas or smaller towns of Michigan, you didn't even make a dent in the population.
 
There was a show on TV last night about coywolves. One of the statements that was made about coyotes was that many states have adopted a shoot on sight policy. Maybe you could encourage the powers that be to look into that.

Wyoming has had a "shoot on sight" policy since long before there was a Wyoming, probably since at least the days of the fur traders. They've also been poisoned, gunned from airplanes, set upon by government trappers, and just about anything else you can think of. They're still here. They'll always be here. No animal is more adaptive than a coyote. Once you got 'em, you'll never get rid of them.
 
I have talked to several local farmers yesterday and this AM.
They can't get over how state won't admit coyotes made the
horse kill. I live a bout 6 mi from kill, my deer camp about 2 mi
buddies farm next door to kill. There are "experts" from all over
putting there two cents worth in, from afar. Mountain Lions?
Anything better than admitting the truth. Most of us around these
parts besides hunting and fishing we are in the field and woods
in our every day lives. We know what lives there, don't need a
DNR dupe to tell us. State needs to put in bounty or a major
trapping program. Shooting random coyotes will not hurt them.
Poisoning is not a option in this area. It will be hard enough to
get a bounty passed with the animal rights people and out of
state experts spouting off, like their opinions are the facts.
 
Certainly no shortage of coyotes around here. I live in the suburbs of Dallas and see them in the neighborhood all the time. I also walk along the green belt and spook them, and bob cats on a regular basis. The scary part is they don't even run away. They just sit there and watch you and your pet walk by. Bob cats too. My dog is fairly large, and they have never seemed aggressive to me. But just wait until one runs out and snatches some ladies little yapper right off the leash. They already had several small pets taken by bobcats which have been caught on tape. Pretty soon we"ll be hunting vatmits in our back yards.
 
I'll never pass up a safe shot on a Coyote.
In fact the majority of my kills have been while
up in a tree on Deer stand.

Coyotes been "introduced" ???
Come on. They've always been in 49 states for sure, I
don't know about Hawaii.
These things been here before man was man
and they'll be here when we are all long gone.
Just like the cockroach.


Chuck
 
I have talked to several local farmers yesterday and this AM.
They can't get over how state won't admit coyotes made the
horse kill. I live a bout 6 mi from kill, my deer camp about 2 mi
buddies farm next door to kill. There are "experts" from all over
putting there two cents worth in, from afar. Mountain Lions?
Anything better than admitting the truth. Most of us around these
parts besides hunting and fishing we are in the field and woods
in our every day lives. We know what lives there, don't need a
DNR dupe to tell us. State needs to put in bounty or a major
trapping program. Shooting random coyotes will not hurt them.
Poisoning is not a option in this area. It will be hard enough to
get a bounty passed with the animal rights people and out of
state experts spouting off, like their opinions are the facts.
So you know for fact it was coyotes? 100%? You will stake everything on that?

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What Watchdog and chud333 said--coyotes have never had to be "introduced" anywhere. They are very smart and adaptable to living in close proximity to humans, like raccoons and foxes, which have also always been here. They have seniority on us.

But why let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory?
 
Somewhere around here I have a pic of one on a rooftop near my daughters place in Astoria,NY.They are everywhere.
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I was raised on a cow and calf ranch in eastern Colorado. My Dad was on the land from 1914 to 2007 when he passed. He said he never had a verifiable instance when a coyote killed a calf, let alone full grown cow or horse. Lots of coyotes scapegoated by inattentive ranchers who had calves die from other causes but blamed the coyotes.

Dad ran a trapline during the Great Depression when a prime coyote hide brought as much as several days work at the sugar factory. He trapped enough coyotes to pay for a winter's worth of hay for his cows. He ran one of those USDA "animal control" guys off our ranch in the 1960's.

Coyotes are supremely adaptable. Depending on food sources, mostly small rodents and not horses, coyote females adjust litter size to match the food supply.

They are clever and adaptable animals, native to all 49 states. But of course don't let facts get in the way of killing every one you see.
 

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