Cross draw for concealed carry

IMHO worrying about "sweeping" someone drawing from a crossdraw rig is valid only for shooting games. In real life, the issue is gonna be to get the gun out and on target. I think most self-defense situations are gonna play out in deserted areas, you're not generally gonna get robbed or assaulted in the middle of a crowd so there's probably not gonna be anyone around to sweep except the bad guy.
 
IMHO worrying about "sweeping" someone drawing from a crossdraw rig is valid only for shooting games. In real life, the issue is gonna be to get the gun out and on target. I think most self-defense situations are gonna play out in deserted areas, you're not generally gonna get robbed or assaulted in the middle of a crowd so there's probably not gonna be anyone around to sweep except the bad guy.

Deserted like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4WOYMWp29g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Flash Mob video?

Deserted like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4WOYMWp29g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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So the discussion is about cross draw. Cross draw is not done by police in uniforms. You posted a video of police in uniforms responding to a Flash Mob?

Police deal with large out-of-control destructive groups with pepper spray, nightsticks, and whatever other non lethal stun gun, taser type tools. Many of the rioters are generally intoxicated. Most still in puberty (under 25). And many are ex-convicts. I am not sure what you want to hear.

Police are occasionally killed in mobs or riots. Off hand I recall one policeman was killed in a 1960’s San Francisco area riot when someone threw an iron chair leg. The police did NOT respond by shooting into the crowd. They have a very hard job.

One day during the Oakland Fire people were bringing cups of liquid, water, lemonade and such, out to the firemen, who were working long hours. One idiot handed a fireman a cup of bleach. The fireman gulped it down and died. Working with the public always has its dangers.

I was paying attention to the 1960’s riots because as a correctional officer we were part of the mutual defense agreement to help police if necessary. As part of the institutions security squad we all took a one week training class given by FBI for local police. I would now give the FBI a B+ for that class. They predicted most things but were out of date on the wedge and angle type greek military formations. Greek soldiers left a wake of dead bodies when they used those formations. Back then Police did not have adequate protective gear and had rocks and bags of feces thrown at them by surrounding mobs. When using non lethal sprays and such the mob surrounds your group too easily. News cameramen were among the rioters taking pictures almost exclusively of the police response (in my opinion).

The only friends of mine that ever helped in any riots were sent to Santa Barbara (Goleta‘s) Isla Vista riots where they helped process arrested people into the jail.

So, whereas I read about, and watched the riots on TV. Often in TV rooms with the prison inmates, I did not go to any. I am not aware of anyone being shot. It would have been discussed I assume. The inmates were happy the police were taking such abuse.

If you wanted to talk about the re-taking of Attica Prison from the rioting inmates, yes I read several were shot. Still good articles available in the 1971 (?) Americana Encyclopedia Annual.

Cross draw has never been a problem in anything I have ever read or discussed. But back then shoulder holsters were always revolvers with 12 (?) pound trigger pulls. I believe my original 1980’s glock 17 has about a three and a half pound pull. Even-then I have not read of any problems in that area.

It is like Auto Mechanics talking about tools. If anyone is hurt by one the word gets out.
 
Even in shooting games, the crossdraw sweeping issue is over played. I will admit to having been DQ'd when re-holstering in a crossdraw rig, back about 30 years ago in a SWPL match. IMHO it was a set-up as the range officer had come up next to & slightly ahead of me, instead of remaining behind me as per protocol. If he had remained where he was supposed to be, he wouldn't have been swept. After that, I learned to twist my off-side hip toward downrange when reholstering so even an out-of-position range officer woud be safe..
 
from delos:
So the discussion is about cross draw. Cross draw is not done by police in uniforms.
As a FWIW, lots of police used to carry crossdraw in uniform, some still do for dress uniform. While the U.S. has gotten away from it the cross draw is still very common for uniform LE use in other countries.
 
Some people (both on this thread and in general) seem to think that THEIR way is the only way. Strong-side belt carry at 4 oclock is pretty popular. I've rarely seen anyone mention small-of-back carry on this forum, but for a while there it seemed like all the holster-makers were producing *** models. Both of those are awkward for me-- I prefer A-IWB. But if Seneca likes crossdraw, either on the belt or IWB, more power to him.
I think method of carry, esp concealed carry, is a personal thing. What works for one person may not work for everybody (or anybody) else. Kind of a jockeys vs boxers thing.
Ditto for the guns themselves. I know a guy who is a uniformed LEO & his off-duty/backup gun is a 22 mag mini-revolver. Not what I'd choose, not even close, but it works for him so who am I to criticize? Others pack a full size 1911 or N-frame Smith- or even two. Again, not my choice, but if it works for them, great.
 
.....I've rarely seen anyone mention small-of-back carry on this forum, but for a while there it seemed like all the holster-makers were producing *** models.....

Who does the moderating on this forum, a man or a 'bot? They or it needs to not be so quick on the draw-- the "S O B" that was censored out stood for small of back, not you know what. <chuckle>
 
I generally carry my second revolver in an old Speed Safety spring holster worn crossdraw. I can draw it with either hand. Sometimes I carry my 4 inch Model 10 in an equally old Bucheimer Semi-Shoulder holster worn crossdraw. For driving or concealed carry they work well, especially if one has rotator cuff issues. (Mine is resolving nicely, thanks.)

Is crossdraw my first choice? Nope. Can it be used effectively? Absolutely. Like anything else we do, though, practice is key.

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