Crown Jewel of My PD Collection

[luvsmiths]

The GA State Patrol issued a Model 19 4". Was my brothers duty weapon before transitioning to Model 5903 9mm in the early 80's.

Was it marked?

 

[JM4151]

Police Department Guns.

I have been collecting guns for years and the only 2 PD guns that I have, with the exception of my own handguns is a model 73 Winchester in 44-40 cal that was owned by the Reading Coal & Iron police, that was purchased by them in 1889 and a model 37 Ithica shotgun that was owned by the Colwyn, PA pd. You have a really nice collection according to what you have listed.

 

[murphydog]

Thank you for your service sir. NYPD sidearms are really cool. I have a Model 10 that was issued to the Transit Police. I have yet to find out which officer it was issued to.

Can you post a picture of the news paper article?

Here is the link, on kbm6893's behalf:

R.M Vivas is THE MAN! Unbelieavable History of My NYPD Guns!! **PICS ADDED**

By the way, do you have any NY-1 stamped guns? They are still (somewhat) common and easy to find.

 

[sfal7418]

very nice...
I see you have a Rhode Island State Police S&W 10....RISP also were issued the first S&W mod 66's with a 6in barrel with a lanyard loop.

sn was RISP and their badge number....they kept these for about a yr and were then issued a regular production serial number....Troopers could buy their RISP badge number gun for I think it $150 at the time.
Enjoy the hunt Al

 

[scott1970]

Here's a rather uncommon PD marked gun. Of the five department rifles I got to look at, this was the only one marked. It's a Marlin lever gun in 35 Remington and is from the metro Atlanta area.

 

[kbm6893]

Here is the link, on kbm6893's behalf:

R.M Vivas is THE MAN! Unbelieavable History of My NYPD Guns!! **PICS ADDED**

By the way, do you have any NY-1 stamped guns? They are still (somewhat) common and easy to find.

Thanks, Murph. I was gonna post it but you beat me to it.

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

I have been collecting guns for years and the only 2 PD guns that I have, with the exception of my own handguns is a model 73 Winchester in 44-40 cal that was owned by the Reading Coal & Iron police, that was purchased by them in 1889 and a model 37 Ithica shotgun that was owned by the Colwyn, PA pd. You have a really nice collection according to what you have listed.

Thank you for your service sir and your kind words. Those two guns you have are like jewels. Can you post a picture of the rifle?

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

Here is the link, on kbm6893's behalf:

R.M Vivas is THE MAN! Unbelieavable History of My NYPD Guns!! **PICS ADDED**

By the way, do you have any NY-1 stamped guns? They are still (somewhat) common and easy to find.

Thanks for the link. That is very interesting history.

I don't have any other PD guns from NY. I would like a Ruger Security Six, Ruger SP 101, Sig P226, S&W 5946, and a 64 NY Model

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

very nice...
I see you have a Rhode Island State Police S&W 10....RISP also were issued the first S&W mod 66's with a 6in barrel with a lanyard loop.

sn was RISP and their badge number....they kept these for about a yr and were then issued a regular production serial number....Troopers could buy their RISP badge number gun for I think it $150 at the time.
Enjoy the hunt Al

I was under the impression that the RISP Model 66's were never issued. Do you know for sure they were carried?

I've only seen two for sale and lost both auctions. Third time is the charm they say

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

Here's a rather uncommon PD marked gun. Of the five department rifles I got to look at, this was the only one marked. It's a Marlin lever gun in 35 Remington and is from the metro Atlanta area.

Wow do you know when that was issued and to whom?

 

[kbm6893]

Thanks for the link. That is very interesting history.

I don't have any other PD guns from NY. I would like a Ruger Security Six, Ruger SP 101, Sig P226, S&W 5946, and a 64 NY Model

There's a beat up NYPD 5946 right now on gunbroker. Price is pretty cheap. There's also a Ruger SPNY that is an NYPD gun. And a SIG 226 that is pricey. It was part of the trial program and marked as such. The job never issued the Security Six. Just the Speed Six and Service Six. The stainless DAO revolvers had markings to indicate they were NYPD guns. In the case of the Rugers, a star in the crane. When the Six guns were no longer authorized, the SP101 was marked SPNY and the GP100 was marked GPNY.

 

[ldausmc1369]

Yes…. The Model 19 is marked below the cylinder on the left side GA STATE PATROL…he did not buy the 66 or the 28 he was issued…love to find both for him…

 

[scott1970]

Wow do you know when that was issued and to whom?

Based on the serial number the gun was built in 1983. I don't know who it was issued to, but the department had it scoped prior to them selling it off.

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

There's a beat up NYPD 5946 right now on gunbroker. Price is pretty cheap. There's also a Ruger SPNY that is an NYPD gun. And a SIG 226 that is pricey. It was part of the trial program and marked as such. The job never issued the Security Six. Just the Speed Six and Service Six. The stainless DAO revolvers had markings to indicate they were NYPD guns. In the case of the Rugers, a star in the crane. When the Six guns were no longer authorized, the SP101 was marked SPNY and the GP100 was marked GPNY.

I'm actually bidding on the trial Sig. Thanks for the corrections on the Rugers. I'm bidding on a SP 101 SPNY DAO. It is not as pretty as a Smith, but it is built like a tank

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

Yes…. The Model 19 is marked below the cylinder on the left side GA STATE PATROL…he did not buy the 66 or the 28 he was issued…love to find both for him…

Thanks. I'm adding the GPS S&W 19 to my list. Was the 28 marked to?

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

Based on the serial number the gun was built in 1983. I don't know who it was issued to, but the department had it scoped prior to them selling it off.

Wow. That is a cool LE-marked rifle. How long have you had it for?

 

[scott1970]

Wow. That is a cool LE-marked rifle. How long have you had it for?

I believe I bought it around two years ago. Our local GT Distributor's was forced to take the sheriff department's lever guns when GT's purchased all their confiscated firearms.

 

[kbm6893]

I'm actually bidding on the trial Sig. Thanks for the corrections on the Rugers. I'm bidding on a SP 101 SPNY DAO. It is not as pretty as a Smith, but it is built like a tank

It is. I carried the SPNY. Sold it for $200. Stupid., but that's what they were going for about 8 years ago. There was a gun shop near 1 Police Plaza that used to buy the guns from retiring cops. He had milk crates full of them and you could just pick. Going rate for a Model 10 was $100. Model 36 was $150. The stainless DAO revolvers were less than that. I should have bought them all. My uncle sold his Model 36 there and used the money to buy drinks for himself and whoever else was at the bar as a retirement present.

RM Vivas, the member who helped me out on my M&P, mentioned in another post that as recently as the later 90's, the Equipment Section had stacks of guns that were never sold. I'm talking new in the box and hard to find guns like the 3" Model 36 that "Police Matrons" used to carry. The asking price was what they paid for them, so $45 a pop. That wasn't widely known or I would have definitely bought quite a few.

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

I believe I bought it around two years ago. Our local GT Distributor's was forced to take the sheriff department's lever guns when GT's purchased all their confiscated firearms.

Don't ever sell that rifle. It is a cool piece of history. Do you shoot it? I've heard 45-70 makes steel targets ring with authority

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

It is. I carried the SPNY. Sold it for $200. Stupid., but that's what they were going for about 8 years ago. There was a gun shop near 1 Police Plaza that used to buy the guns from retiring cops. He had milk crates full of them and you could just pick. Going rate for a Model 10 was $100. Model 36 was $150. The stainless DAO revolvers were less than that. I should have bought them all. My uncle sold his Model 36 there and used the money to buy drinks for himself and whoever else was at the bar as a retirement present.

RM Vivas, the member who helped me out on my M&P, mentioned in another post that as recently as the later 90's, the Equipment Section had stacks of guns that were never sold. I'm talking new in the box and hard to find guns like the 3" Model 36 that "Police Matrons" used to carry. The asking price was what they paid for them, so $45 a pop. That wasn't widely known or I would have definitely bought quite a few.

We all have guns that we regret selling. I wish I had kept my Colt Python, M1 Carbine, AK 74, and Browning Hi Power. But we live and learn.

I would have bought a truck load of pistols at that price haha. I hope they all made their way to good homes

 

[S. Kelly]

I'm actually bidding on the trial Sig. Thanks for the corrections on the Rugers. I'm bidding on a SP 101 SPNY DAO. It is not as pretty as a Smith, but it is built like a tank

The S&W 640 in .38 at the same shop as the SPNY is a rare 640-2 (I think) with frosted finish, made only for NYPD if your interested.

 

[kbm6893]

The S&W 640 in .38 at the same shop as the SPNY is a rare 640-2 (I think) with frosted finish, made only for NYPD if your interested.

I offered to sell my SPNY in that very same shop about 18 years ago. I was offered 20 bucks. When I balked the owner said he had a bin full of revolvers he couldn't sell. He even showed me. How times have changed.

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

The S&W 640 in .38 at the same shop as the SPNY is a rare 640-2 (I think) with frosted finish, made only for NYPD if your interested.

I'm going to watch that one to. Thanks

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

I offered to sell my SPNY in that very same shop about 18 years ago. I was offered 20 bucks. When I balked the owner said he had a bin full of revolvers he couldn't sell. He even showed me. How times have changed.

I wasn't old enough to buy firearms back then. I wish I was. My gun room would have been flooded. Today that revolver must be worth $500

 

[crsides]

The only one I have ever seen and I live an hour from Columbia SC. I had a retired PD guy say that only the upper echelon officers got them. There were 5 in the shipment. 1934.

 

[Absalom]

….
RM Vivas, the member who helped me out on my M&P, mentioned in another post that as recently as the later 90's, the Equipment Section had stacks of guns that were never sold. ...

Another interesting sub-field for NYPD collectors are the guns which officers bought from one of the dealers in the vicinity. Before WW II, that was most of them.

Even after the Equipment Section started bulk purchases from the factories, they didn't always have what an officer happened to want. Somewhere Jim Cirillo wrote about a guy carrying a Colt DS only because they were out of Model 36's at the time he needed it. But other officers went elsewhere to buy what they wanted.

Many of the shops were along Centre Market Place behind NYPD HQ. I have a 1915 Colt Police Positive (shield number stamped) that shipped to Frank Audley's shop, and a 1959 Mod. 36 that went to Greenblatt, at 3 and 8 Centre Market Pl., respectively. Jovino, Lava, and Herold also had their shops there.

 

[kbm6893]

Another interesting sub-field for NYPD collectors are the guns which officers bought from one of the dealers in the vicinity. Before WW II, that was most of them.

Even after the Equipment Section started bulk purchases from the factories, they didn't always have what an officer happened to want. Somewhere Jim Cirillo wrote about a guy carrying a Colt DS only because they were out of Model 36's at the time he needed it. But other officers went elsewhere to buy what they wanted.

Many of the shops were along Centre Market Place behind NYPD HQ. I have a 1915 Colt Police Positive (shield number stamped) that shipped to Frank Audley's shop, and a 1959 Mod. 36 that went to Greenblatt, at 3 and 8 Centre Market Pl., respectively. Jovino, Lava, and Herold also had their shops there.

I've heard that. You can buy a duty or off duty gun from an outside retailer, I believe, but it must be brought to the range to be checked out that it meets the specs. The new academy has the Equipment Section right in the building, so it's very easy. I recall riding the subway from the academy downtown to 1PP and then lugging all that **** back to the academy on the train. Can't imagine the hassling that would happen nowadays if several hundred recruits walked through a subway station while not being armed or even carry a radio.

 

[two-bit cowboy]

My only remaining police stamped revolver is a Model 36 from 1971.

According to Roy's letter, "... it is in the middle of a group of 60 revolvers specially manufactured for the New South Wales Police Department of Australia. It is my opinion that this revolver was accidently [sic] shipped to a domestic distributor by mistake."

Does that mean it's the only one in the U.S.A.? We'll probably never know for sure unless another one surfaces.

The target trigger and Model 49 hammer letter to the revolver.

The Latin proverb in the ribbon at the bottom of the logo means, "Punishment follows closely behind crime's heels; crime doesn't pay," according to WordSense Dictionary online.

Despite the deplorable job I did cleaning it before I shot these photos, it's absolutely pristine -- as new in the box.

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

The only one I have ever seen and I live an hour from Columbia SC. I had a retired PD guy say that only the upper echelon officers got them. There were 5 in the shipment. 1934.

Oh man. That is a museum piece right there

 

[bloodandgutsmurphy]

Another interesting sub-field for NYPD collectors are the guns which officers bought from one of the dealers in the vicinity. Before WW II, that was most of them.

Even after the Equipment Section started bulk purchases from the factories, they didn't always have what an officer happened to want. Somewhere Jim Cirillo wrote about a guy carrying a Colt DS only because they were out of Model 36's at the time he needed it. But other officers went elsewhere to buy what they wanted.

Many of the shops were along Centre Market Place behind NYPD HQ. I have a 1915 Colt Police Positive (shield number stamped) that shipped to Frank Audley's shop, and a 1959 Mod. 36 that went to Greenblatt, at 3 and 8 Centre Market Pl., respectively. Jovino, Lava, and Herold also had their shops there.

Is Jim Cirillo still alive?