CS9 +P rated???

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Hello all first post here so I'll make it short. I picked up a CS9 in 90% condition and plan to use it for my summer carry gun. Is it wise to run +P in it for carry only and use standard pressure for practice. Thanks for your time.
 
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If you look at the Ammoquest series by ShootingtheBull on Utube, vis a vis short barreled pistols, you might decide against using +P in the 3" pistol. In the HST series, at least, the +P ammo did worse than the standard pressure loads in the FBI blue jeans and gel testing. Higher velocity of +p rounds caused them to expand fully BUT not penetrate enough. Just not enough energy from the short barrel. Best results were Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr, and HST 124 and 147gr, all standard pressure. Check out the series, it makes sense to me ! :)
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Welcome Greasegroove. What did that CS-9 set ya back if I may ask? Bought one back in 99 in stainless. Would love to score a blued version which was only made I understand for about a year. Trying to keep up with used CS-9 prices as I hear they are getting expensive and hard to find.
 
Welcome Greasegroove. What did that CS-9 set ya back if I may ask? Bought one back in 99 in stainless. Would love to score a blued version which was only made I understand for about a year. Trying to keep up with used CS-9 prices as I hear they are getting expensive and hard to find.

I just sold one on GB for $450, with box and 2 mags. You can find it in GB completed listings for condition.
 
Hello all first post here so I'll make it short. I picked up a CS9 in 90% condition and plan to use it for my summer carry gun. Is it wise to run +P in it for carry only and use standard pressure for practice. Thanks for your time.

All S&W 3rd Gen's are rated for +P ammo, and I would agree with carrying +P (or standard pressure quality defensive round), and practicing with standard pressure. Almost all target/practice fmj ammo will be standard pressure anyways, so just remember - FMJ for practice, HP for carry.

That being said, it is a good idea to run a few mags at least of your HP carry ammo through your gun, with the mags you plan on carrying with, just to make sure function is good. With the CS9, I've found that Federal HST's in both 124&147 grain work well, both +P and standard pressure.
 
Throughout the years I've owned my CS9 I've used whatever duty ammo was available for issue, which has included 147gr, 127gr +P+ and in recent years 124gr +P.

In the armorer classes the usual answer to this question was that we should use whatever good quality factory ammo was approved for use by our agencies, ultimately leaving those choices up to the agencies, but to be aware that using +P (and +P+) loads would accelerate general wear & tear on the guns, and that more frequent replacement of recoil springs was prudent.

I remember in my first class we were told to periodically inspect guns for signs of any unusual wear or conditions, or damage, that might be caused by the increased recoil resulting from higher pressure loads.

One interesting example given was that increased recoil forces could sometimes do things like cause the slide stop assemblies to sometimes acquire either an inward or outward "bend", meaning the rear of the slide stop lever might eventually acquire a greater or lesser angle (than 90 degrees) in relation to the pin of the assembly (the pin that goes in the frame). This was mentioned when we were discussing how some agencies commonly used +P loads.

Back then, armorers were told that a slight bend (increase or decrease) of the lever/pin angle could be adjusted and corrected by judicious and CAREFUL use a soft lead babbitt bar, while the slide stop assembly was carefully held in a vise. In subsequent classes armorers were told to simply replace a slide stop assembly that was found to be out of original spec. The inference seemed to be that it was better to replace a tweaked slide stop with a new one, rather than hoping the armorer was skilled and experienced enough not to cause more damage by the 'corrective action' than was present in the first place. :eek:

Same thing regarding a damaged slide stop plunger and spring. We were originally taught to drift the roll pin out of the slide stop to replace a damaged plunger or spring, and then replace the roll pin. Later on armorer students were taught to simply replace the whole slide stop assembly for a plunger or plunger spring problem.

Granted, if you have the spare assemblies, it's certainly easier and faster to replace the whole thing. Saves time at the bench, and you're using a new assembly that's in fresh factory-spec. It also reduces the chance of an armorer botching the "repair". :(

Personally, I prefer to restrict my own use of +P or +P+ ammo to those ammo lines offered by the major American ammo companies who make ammo intended for use by LE agencies.

FWIW, a while back I was told by a couple of folks at the factory that the use of +P+ ammo was not recommended for use in the Shield 9.

Something else to bear in mind is that the designation of +P+ really only tells you that it's higher pressure than +P, but not by how much. :eek:

There's a pretty good assortment of choices of standard pressure defensive ammunition being offered nowadays. :)

Just some thoughts. Can't offer anything definitive. I don't make the guns (or the ammo).

I've usually replaced the recoil springs in my own CS45 & CS9 much sooner than the standard recommendation of every 5 years or every 5,000 rounds offered to armorers. I like to err on the conservative side of trying to minimize wear & tear in those little Chiefs Special pistols, and the recoil springs used in them are pretty short to begin with.
 
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mauser, he wanted $389.95 I gave him the old fixed income story and walked out the door $360.00 poorer, around here if its not new,tactical, or as seen on you tube its cheaper.
 
Guess it often depends on different factors such as stated above. Never saw a CS-9-40-45 in my LGS around me so I check Gunbroker for estimates. Realize the asking price is not always the price paid. They do seem to be one of the rarer ones especially in blue.
 
Hello all first post here so I'll make it short. I picked up a CS9 in 90% condition and plan to use it for my summer carry gun. Is it wise to run +P in it for carry only and use standard pressure for practice. Thanks for your time.

Kind of a thread drift but I recognized your 37th FA crest, 2nd ID? Welcome to the Smith forum! You will love the little CS9
 
6actual, you are correct, the 37Th Arty group was the most decorated Arty group in US Army , two Pres. unit citations and 53 battle streamers. The pentagon dismantled the group and the last remants the 37TH (6/37th a MLRS unit) who engaged an rep. guard tank battalion, that was holding up the main body of the 1st AD. They returned to Ft Sill with honor only to be told they no longer exisit. The remf's always rule they day. You are correct again I realy like this US made all metal cs9, and thanks for the welcome to this forum.
 
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I was with 38th Field Artillery Regiment at camp Stanley ROK in 1978 A very proud unit, some of the best duty I had. "Steel behind the Rock" I do carry my CS9 loaded with Winchester Silvertips 115gr or 147gr when I can find them, or Winchester PDX1 Defender 147gr both very hard hitting & accurate. I practice with WWB 115gr
 
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You don't have to be in a spec-op unit to be proud of what you did, and from one cannon cocker to another " on target fire for effect" should warm your heart . I carry Gold Dot 124+P's and practice with SIG's 124 fmj's. In the winter I carry an E series 1911 S&W with 230 Gold Dots as my shtf loads.:D
 
5th of the 51st Arty and 7th of the 9th FA in my Army life. Never made it to the SE Asia Tea Party. Funny thing, as a Navy Intelligence professional, they never sent me to any of the later Tea Parties in the Sand, either.

Query - to get back on track - why do you think 9mm +P is going to be any kind of major improvement in a compact pistol like the CS-9? Seems like diminishing returns to me.
 
I feel the warmest and fuzziest when carrying a 45 but when I do carry 9mm on hot, light clothing South Fla summer days its a condition one CS9 in a remora IWB holster, loaded up w/Silvertips and a 9 round M39 spare mag in my pocket. I have never had an FTF with the CS9 after many hundreds of rounds. I shoot it at the local range average once a week during summer carry. I am positive it would not let me down as long as I do what I am supposed to in the event of a SD scenario, heaven forbid it should ever happen. I dont feel much need to punish it with +P ammo and in that short little barrel its just money spent to no real advantage.
 
5th of the 51st Arty and 7th of the 9th FA in my Army life. Never made it to the SE Asia Tea Party. Funny thing, as a Navy Intelligence professional, they never sent me to any of the later Tea Parties in the Sand, either.

Query - to get back on track - why do you think 9mm +P is going to be any kind of major improvement in a compact pistol like the CS-9? Seems like diminishing returns to me.

I researched loads for the 9mm and those who use FBI calibrated gel, all reported that standard vel 124 GD's did not expand as engineered out of a 3" barrel. The GD SB and +P loads expanded as advertised and did not exceed 18" of penetration. The vel from a 3" with standard loads was 1050 with +p it was 1150 ish and the SB loads were a hair faster.
 
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