CSX/Carry gun accuracy goals and Phil

[Mustang93]

So, after the mall Good Samaritan stopped the shooter at 40 yards (we think), I decided to not settle for the "7 yard accuracy is all you need" standard. Phil drove this home for me at the range today. I went to the range this morning to get a baseline accuracy on my CSX with iron sights (target attached 8" outside ring, 10 rounds of 124 Fed Punch from a supported position). My CSX has a Dawson FO front sight which is thinner than the stock sight. I plan to follow up with a Burris RDO on a MGW plate for comparison Edit-doesn't fit, M&P dovetail is larger than the CSX. = No RDO. I believe the accuracy advantage of the RDO is that it takes the short sight radius error/handicap out of the accuracy equation. I set my target at 20 yards and then "Phil" showed up. I think he is every bit of 75 years old, more like 80 and told me he was going to just shoot some 22s. He had a Glock 44 with stock white outline/dot sights. He went down range and put about 10 clay birds (4.33" dia) on the sloping backstop (second picture attached). I lasered them at 33 yards. He said after he gets warmed up, he can hit them pretty good. He said he does this 5-6 days a week and his wife waits in the van while he shoots. It did take him a few mags but he broke every one of them. When I shot 3-gun, a hard pistol target would be a 4" square steel plate at 25 yards. My/CSX irons target is attached, 6 rounds in the 4" circle and 4 between the 4" and 8" circle (the pasted hits are from a string before I made a sight adjustment). My CSX has the mechanical accuracy needed for 40 yards shots if I can learn to shoot it that well. This video is the best I have found on using a RDO on a handgun for long shots. I will follow up with my progress on the RDO. But if it works out, I can see me mounting a Trijicon RMRcc with a plate on the CSX. Well back to the drawing board on a RDO. FOr now I will just practice with the CSX and irons.[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iNHTDBehZo[/ame]

 

[Echo40]

Obviously, self-defense is a highly subjective matter in which the end user is personally responsible for every decision they make, as well as the potential consequences of those decisions, so you gotta do you.

Personally, I don't base my decisions on individual circumstances in which shootings shootings took place, as I find that's an easy way to wind up treading the endless pursuit of an illusive ideal which would enable one to be optimally prepared for practically any situation. In other words, if you keep second-guessing your own personal decisions based on the circumstances of every shooting by analyzing them along with the outcome then playing around in your head with all.sorts of "what-if?" scenarios, then you're bound to end up spending a lot of money/time chasing after a solution to every single problem which could occur in a gunfight one after another every time you read about a new shooting which occurred under circumstances in which you aren't certain that you're adequately prepared for with your current firearm, ammunition, carry method, mindset, or training.

Yes, the guy in this specific shooting scenario had to successfully land a shot at 40 yards, and while that could perhaps happen to anyone here, the likelihood of which is rather slim, and it's far more likely that any shooting that you'll need to do is at substantially shorter distances, or you may very well go through the rest of your life never having to shoot at another human being at all.

Should you train to be able to land shots at long distances? It certainly couldn't hurt, but I don't think that it's worth changing your entire loadout, mindset, and training over. So don't obsess over it to the point that you start thinking that you must change everything immediately because you cannot pull off 40 yard shots consistently right away with your current loadout. Remain calm, take it slow, do it right, and whatever you do, don't go buying a bunch of new gear because your current EDC isn't suited for fast long-range bullseye accuracy.

Good luck.

 

[Mustang93]

In my quest to improve my accuracy using the CSX, I did some range time today. After some bench/supported shooting to verify POA/POI I shot plate racks at 15 and 25 yds. The 25yard rack was a challenge. I doubt I was 50%. I switched to the NRA B-34 at 25yds - 1/2 size Police Pistol Silhouette meant to be shot at 25 yds. I did a few rounds of 10 shot strings with my last string not pasted (target attached). The 10th shot is just out of the picture in the head which is a miss along with the miss to the left (in the black, but a miss none the less). Overall I'm happy with my progress. I have some Talon Grips to install which really improved the grip on my FNX=40. I think the last thing that would make a significant difference would be a magazine extension for the purpose of getting my pinky on the grip vice hanging off. Here in the great state of CT we can't purchase mags that hold more than ten rounds.
Edit-Of course my buddy had to help me take the picture.

 

[Marshal Tom]

I shot the Eli Dicken drill this morning with my M&P 2.0 Compact with open sights. I shot it cold and unsupported. He supposedly shot at least some of his rds from support. He had 8 out of 10 hits on the bad guy. I shot it twice and had 7 and 8 hits and made the 15 second time. Should have had 10 out of 10 but not too bad for 72 years old.

 

[54ball]

A 22LR can go 1 1/2 miles. Hey, it says so on the box.

I know for a fact .38 Special out of a snubnose can consistently hit a 55 gallon drum at 100 yards. Pow!---- ting.

What I'm getting at is the arms are very capable. If you can shoot tight groups close, it should not be that big of a deal to make good hits at distance.
It just takes doing it from time to time.

 

[stansdds]

A 22LR can go 1 1/2 miles. Hey, it says so on the box.

I know for a fact .38 Special out of a snubnose can consistently hit a 55 gallon drum at 100 yards. Pow!---- ting.

What I'm getting at is the arms are very capable. If you can shoot tight groups close, it should not be that big of a deal to make good hits at distance.
It just takes doing it from time to time.

Due the fixed barrel, a revolver does have a potential accuracy advantage over a tilting barrel semi-auto pistol, especially those pistols that have less than match-grade tolerances.