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So not too long ago I posted about my 686SSR and its canted barrel. S&W sent it back with tool marks on the frame, barrel, and underlug. I immediately called S&W, and eventually got someone on the phone that actually seemed to care. He told me to mark the spots with red crayon and send it back to them. They would polish the frame and try to get all of the marks out. They were also going to replace the sideplate screws and sight rib screws that were buggered up when the barrel was adjusted. The messed up screws alone scream to me that the gunsmith was in a hurry and didn't really care. He apologized and told me they would make it right.

That brings me to a phone call I received yesterday afternoon from S&W customer service.

I was called by a customer service rep, who told me that S&W warrants mechanical items on firearms, but not cosmetics, and if I wanted the marks taken out I would have to pay for a refinish. My SSR is barely 3 months old, has not been fired by me as of yet, and S&W has had the gun for almost a month and a half between the two "repairs." She admitted there were marks on the gun, but TOLD me I must have damaged the finish. She also reminded me that marks/scratches on a firearm don't effect its function. Really!? I responded with neither does a scratch on the hood of a Ferrari, but if the owner didn't put it there, the person/people who did are responsible to make it right. I asked to speak to her manager, and of course since it was almost 5pm on the Friday before a holiday weekend, there wasn't a manager available.

I can't believe that S&W refused to polish the marks. I'm not asking for a new frame, I'm simply wanting my brand new $900 revolver returned to me in the same way I sent it to them. What really urks me about the whole situation is that this was all because of a canted barrel that should have never left the factory to begin with!

I'm also the kind of person who really takes care of everything I own. I am religious about maintenance on my vehicles, firearms, and home. Yes, I am the person you see parked at WalMart that parks out so far from the doors I practically need a backpack and canteen before I can get groceries. I know my SSR isn't a $5K registered magnum or a factory engraved revolver, but it is what I consider a nice revolver. If I were looking for a gun to carry on my 4 wheeler, I would have purchased a used 686 and not really care....but I already have one of those. If this is any indication of how S&W customers are treated, I have officially purchased my last new S&W. I will continue to collect pre models and early post war revolvers, but will not give S&W any more of my money directly.

Has anyone else had to go through all of this with customer service. I'm beginning to think this gun is cursed somehow! Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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I had a bad CS experience just yesterday with a holster maker. It may be that, with all the new business which the firearms industry is experiencing, vendors just don't need to maintain good relations with consumers. S&W, like my vendor, will sell all they can make without a need for repeat business.
 
Do you have the name of the person you spoke to before? The one that told you to mark it and send it back?

Maybe call again after the weekend and ask to talk to that person and see if he can get it sorted.

I wish you a good outcome.
 
I do have names/times/dates I spoke to each person. The rep I spoke to yesterday gave me her name, but I honestly don't believe she was being truthful. I have stewed about it all night! I'm a project manager for a very large home improvement company and couldn't imagine ever speaking to a customer like that. I have tried finding email addresses for someone in the corporate office, but to no avail. Feel like I am at the mercy of whatever customer service decides.
 
These are the reasons, among others, that I will not buy a new S&W. The older, pre lock guns are much more attractive, better made and, in most cases, less expensive. Since S&W started making those ugly guns, they have lost my respect.
 
You would have not bout the gun this way. Now that you own the gun it is your problem not theres. Oh and make sure when and if you try to sale the gun to tell the buyer S&W said it was just cosmetic and the gun works but just looks crappy.




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You would have not bout the gun this way. Now that you own the gun it is your problem not theres. Oh and make sure when and if you try to sale the gun to tell the buyer S&W said it was just cosmetic and the gun works but just looks crappy.




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That is exactly what I told the lady from CS, but to no avail.
 
In spite of the anti new gun curmudgeons and their usual new gun BS, I'd chalk it up to an idiot and not let it affect your weekend too much. I'd be frustrated and angry too, but I can't imagine any way someone with an ounce of common sense/manager is going to stick on this position. It will get fixed.

Do you have your LGS involved yet? They need to support you on this too.

Call back and either ask for the first person you spoke with or better yet, or for the warranty/repair shop to begin with.

One question, I forgot, did you inspect the gun before buying it?

JMO
 
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In spite of the anti new gun curmudgeons and their usual new gun BS, I'd chalk it up to an idiot and not let it affect your weekend too much. I'd be frustrated and angry too, but I can't imagine any way someone with an ounce of common sense/manager is going to stick on this position. It will get fixed.

Do you have your LGS involved yet? They need to support you on this too.

Call back and either ask for the first person you spoke with or better yet, ask for the warranty/repair shop to begin with.

One question, I forgot, did you inspect the gun before buying it?

JMO

I did inspect it before the final payment. I had only seen 2 or 3 SSR's before, as they are incredibly rare around me. I put half down upfront, and once the gun was received by my LGS I did all the necessary paperwork. I knew it had a canted barrel, but decided to go ahead with it anyway. I did, after all, wait almost 5 months from the original order. I knew it would have to go back for the barrel, but thought it would be almost routine for S&W since it seems to be a growing problem. As far as any marks on the gun, there were none. The finish was flawless.
 
I did inspect it before the final payment. I had only seen 2 or 3 SSR's before, as they are incredibly rare around me. I put half down upfront, and once the gun was received by my LGS I did all the necessary paperwork. I knew it had a canted barrel, but decided to go ahead with it anyway. I did, after all, wait almost 5 months from the original order. I knew it would have to go back for the barrel, but thought it would be almost routine for S&W since it seems to be a growing problem. As far as any marks on the gun, there were none. The finish was flawless.[/QUOTE

Makes sense, I would give the LGS your serial # on the gun and have them call Smith and tell them it was canted etc when you bought it and they expect them to honor their warranty, then follow-up myself. I would think that ought to take care of your getting anymore ****. Let us know, I'm sorry you are getting grief.
 
I know your pi**ed off, I would be too. I'd try and get the first person you talked to, to get him to confirm the previous agreement. If that fails, pay for it to be cleaned up, and get it right, YOU won't be happy unless it's right. Then when ever you send something to S&W again document (with photos) before you send it, include a before photo with the gun. I've learned this is a great way to end all accusations of thing being your fault. Unfortunately we have to go this far with these companies. But rememberit's buyer beware.

It may not matter but I agree they should've have taken care of it for you. Companies forget just how far good customer relations go for business.
 
I know your pi**ed off, I would be too. I'd try and get the first person you talked to, to get him to confirm the previous agreement. If that fails, pay for it to be cleaned up, and get it right, YOU won't be happy unless it's right. Then when ever you send something to S&W again document (with photos) before you send it, include a before photo with the gun. I've learned this is a great way to end all accusations of thing being your fault. Unfortunately we have to go this far with these companies. But rememberit's buyer beware.

It may not matter but I agree they should've have taken care of it for you. Companies forget just how far good customer relations go for business.

I did take photos before I sent it in the first time. The problem is they were just generic pics of the entire gun. I tried to zoom in on the original pic in photoshop but it gets really grainy. My wife's friend is a professional photographer, and she tried to get pics of the damage. Even with her cameras, the spots wont show up in the photos. This may sound completely crazy, but I am considering keeping this one as my new 686 shooter, and ordering another SSR to occasionally shoot, as was the intention of the first. It's at least a good excuse to get another gun! Let's just see if the wife buys it!
 
About 2 years ago I bought a NIB Colt SAA. Upon inspection I found the front sight to be attached with a lump of soldering. I sent the gun back, on Colt's dime, and the gun was returned to me. I re-inspected the gun and found a large ding in the top strap that wasn't there when sent in. I again sent the gun back to Colt, and they replaced the frame no questions asked.
Anyone who thinks S&W is the only company with QC issues needs to put down the Kool Aid. And YES, they had issues back in the "old days", you just didn't hear about them until Al Gore invented the internet. :D

OP, sorry you're having issues, stay on their case.
 
Were you planning to put the gun in a museum? If not, just shoot the doggone thing and focus on stuff that really matter in life. Don't waste needless aggravation over it. Even if S&W scratched it, the sun will come up tomorrow. Think of all the time and energy you are wasting over a scratched gun. If it wasn't being sent to the NRA museum as a perfect example of an SSR then I suggest you just move on. It ain't healthy to obsess over stuff like this.
 
I called customer service on Thursday about my .460 XVR since I had some ??? Because the gun came with a generic S&W manual I got the feeling from the guy I was wasting his time all I wanted to know was how to change out the front site to the brass blade site from the hi vis since I have it scoped and don't want the plastic hi vis to get damaged... How to change the front site blade was not addressed in the generic manual...
 
Were you planning to put the gun in a museum? If not, just shoot the doggone thing and focus on stuff that really matter in life. Don't waste needless aggravation over it. Even if S&W scratched it, the sun will come up tomorrow. Think of all the time and energy you are wasting over a scratched gun. If it wasn't being sent to the NRA museum as a perfect example of an SSR then I suggest you just move on. It ain't healthy to obsess over stuff like this.

I understand your point, and that is very good advice for life in general. The reason I am upset over it is because my wife surprised me by ordering it for me when we found out we were pregnant, and with a little boy. I picked up the gun of 5-31, he was born the next day. It is already one of the favorites in my safe, just for the sentimental value alone. S&W doesn't know who the gun is for, what it's purpose was, or what it means to the person on the other end.
 
I called customer service on Thursday about my .460 XVR since I had some ??? Because the gun came with a generic S&W manual I got the feeling from the guy I was wasting his time all I wanted to know was how to change out the front site to the brass blade site from the hi vis since I have it scoped and don't want the plastic hi vis to get damaged... How to change the front site blade was not addressed in the generic manual...

I thought you could email the S&W customer service and they would just send one your way. Maybe worth a try.
 
I understand your point, and that is very good advice for life in general. The reason I am upset over it is because my wife surprised me by ordering it for me when we found out we were pregnant, and with a little boy. I picked up the gun of 5-31, he was born the next day. It is already one of the favorites in my safe, just for the sentimental value alone. S&W doesn't know who the gun is for, what it's purpose was, or what it means to the person on the other end.

You paid $900 for a NEW gun, you should HAVE a NEW gun.
 
I did inspect it before the final payment. I had only seen 2 or 3 SSR's before, as they are incredibly rare around me. I put half down upfront, and once the gun was received by my LGS I did all the necessary paperwork. I knew it had a canted barrel, but decided to go ahead with it anyway. I did, after all, wait almost 5 months from the original order. I knew it would have to go back for the barrel, but thought it would be almost routine for S&W since it seems to be a growing problem. As far as any marks on the gun, there were none. The finish was flawless.

BIG mistake. if there was an obvious error with the firearm---canted barrel---- there would be NO way I would accept delivery
at that point You needed to point out he flaw to the LGS and have them deal with S&W.
 
Just bang it around a few times at the range and the scratches will blend right in. I should take my own advice about obsessing over small stuff- I'm the worst when it comes to this. I've got guns in gonna leave to my sons too, but I don't think they will be concerned whether or not it is showroom flawless. What is important to them is that it's Dad's old gun. If you spend any time with your son in the years to come at the range I guarantee you it will get scratched and dinged. I know it's aggravating, but instead of going back and forth with S&W why don't you at least be happy that the gun functions properly and focus you time towards that new son of yours. The time absolutely flies and before you know it your kids are grown men. Enjoy your family and just put this behind you. When you are lying there dying on your death bed, I don't think you will be reflecting on your scratched gun and your S&W custer service experience. Congrats on the new family!!
 
You need a wife like I have. If I want a gun.....she's all for it. Why?Cause I enjoy them and it's my hobby. She doesn't want to shoot them but she'll go with me and read or do something else. I love her and she loves me.......and my guns :)
 
You need a wife like I have. If I want a gun.....she's all for it. Why?Cause I enjoy them and it's my hobby. She doesn't want to shoot them but she'll go with me and read or do something else. I love her and she loves me.......and my guns :)

That's exactly the way she is. In addition to the SSR she has bought me a Kimber Super Carry Pro and a Walther PPQ. Of course after said purchases, I was politely reminded that she wanted a necklace, earrings, etc. I'm very thankful that she supports my hobby!
 
Were you planning to put the gun in a museum? If not, just shoot the doggone thing and focus on stuff that really matter in life. Don't waste needless aggravation over it. Even if S&W scratched it, the sun will come up tomorrow. Think of all the time and energy you are wasting over a scratched gun. If it wasn't being sent to the NRA museum as a perfect example of an SSR then I suggest you just move on. It ain't healthy to obsess over stuff like this.

I dont like answers like this.. If the OP wanted a beat up old piece of junk, thats what he would have bought!:rolleyes:
The poor guy ordered a NEW gun, and thats what it should be!
Maybe the OP should tell them he wants a new gun. You have nothing to lose?
 
I'm with you DB!!

Setting aside the canted barrel which I wouldn't have accepted delivery of,
The OP bought a new gun, not a banged up piece of ****. If the guy from post #16+22 wants to buy a new gun and bang it up, something's wrong with him!

And if he wants me to believe he'd do as he advises he's crazy to boot. It's easy to be flippant when it ain't your dough. Smith and Wesson wrecked the gun, they should man up and fix it with a side order of apology.

I'd call and make it clear the Supervisor and me are gonna have a heart to heart about this so called Customer Service. It befuddles me the gun could leave the factory with the canted barrel in the first place. Then after being tore up, they have the nerve to say the customer did that this own gun is ludicrous to anyone with half a brain.
 
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I did take photos before I sent it in the first time. The problem is they were just generic pics of the entire gun. I tried to zoom in on the original pic in photoshop but it gets really grainy. My wife's friend is a professional photographer, and she tried to get pics of the damage. Even with her cameras, the spots wont show up in the photos. This may sound completely crazy, but I am considering keeping this one as my new 686 shooter, and ordering another SSR to occasionally shoot, as was the intention of the first. It's at least a good excuse to get another gun! Let's just see if the wife buys it!

OK...lemme get this straight.

They screw you over and you are going back for more?
Wow.
Kevin Bacon - Fraternity Paddle - YouTube

The guy with the paddle is the President of Smith and Wesson.
 
Were you planning to put the gun in a museum? If not, just shoot the doggone thing and focus on stuff that really matter in life. Don't waste needless aggravation over it. Even if S&W scratched it, the sun will come up tomorrow. Think of all the time and energy you are wasting over a scratched gun. If it wasn't being sent to the NRA museum as a perfect example of an SSR then I suggest you just move on. It ain't healthy to obsess over stuff like this.
Maybe you can understand it better this way:


You buy a New Duramax Pick-up.
You bring it back to the dealer for an oil change.
You go get it back and it has a scratch over the whole driver door.

You smile and go on your way right?
After all, the sun will come up tomorrow.
 
I have always had a great experience with S&W CS. Sorry to hear your bad luck.
 
Call back on Tuesday. I'd bet money they will ultimately make this right by you. You talked to the wrong person.

I called on Friday because I just bought a 629 no dash(A 30+ year old used gun) that unlocked and rolled back a chamber on me with one of the brands of ammo I was using. It only happened on one of a hundred rounds.

The guy at S&W asked my problem and I asked if they had an upgrade cylinder stop spring I could buy. "You'll have to send us the gun, Sir"..."For a stop spring??!!". "Hang on, Sir." ..." Sir, I think our revolver 'smith is gone for the weekend. Tell you what, I'll just send you one free of charge. What's your address?"

I gave him the address and he said allow 7-10 ten days for it to arrive. THAT is good customer service by me!
 

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