DAO vs ...

Old Navy,
A question if you would be so kind?
Since I (hate to admit it?) know next to nothing of the S&W line of autoloaders, what is the number on the little beauty you pictured above?
 
Originally posted by Spotteddog:
Old Navy,
A question if you would be so kind?
Since I (hate to admit it?) know next to nothing of the S&W line of autoloaders, what is the number on the little beauty you pictured above?

That's a 1086...like this one...

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As much as I hate to say it the 1086 is gone now, showed it to one too many people and someone took it off my hands.

I will miss the gun, but the arthritis won't allow me to shoot the big automatics anymore. So I passed the beauty on to a collector & shooter.

I picked up a NIB Five seveN 5.7x28 that is a lot easier on the old hands.
 
I totally agree with you there.I have recently gone from 15 yrs of Double Action revolver shooting to the CS9 which is double action /single action.When I first started shooting the semi-auto the DA first shot was right on the money and I was pulling my SA shots to the right,( I am Left Handed).After about 700 rounds the first shot is dead on and I instictively take up the trigger slack to the point of hammer release on my second and subsequent shots making those shots as accurate and much faster than traditional DAO shooting.Like anything it is a new learned skill and came with Training,Training and more Training.......God Bless....Mike
Originally posted by Pioneer461:
Originally posted by rollback88:
DAO is ok since it is consistent. DA/SA is horrible. --jcd

Training, training, training. I prefer DA/SA, but then I'm old school.
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DAO for primary carry. I'm not a big gun enthusiast and I don't want to have to think a lot about my tool if/when I ever really need to use it so my main carry guns are DAO.
I am not as accurate with them at distance as I am with a 1911.. Imean if i'm taking all day long to pull the trigger, ok, but in decent drills..
anyway I started with DAO when I first got a carry gun and I tend to prefer them today.
My two mostly likely to be on me a Smith CS40 DAO model and a North American arms 32acp guardian DAO. If i ever needed to pass a gun to my wife or family member there would be no worry about their operating it properly (is it a smith..do i flip the safety up instead of down like a 1911? etc.) just grab the gun , point at the bad guy and pull the trigger.
 
To me anyway:

The different manufacturers have different DAO's.

So far, Glock with a NY1 trigger spring & standard connector works best for me - next to the special trigger job a frend had done to his G23. (That G23 has the trigger of a GOOD S&W K frame.) Sig's DAK (226 & 220) simply is horrible - the tip of the trigger chews my finger to pieces. A good, smooth, & clean Smith 38 revolver in DAO works fine. Berreta's double stack pistols are too fat and their DAO is simply not an option.


On the other hand, S&W's 3rd gen TDA's have been good to me. I have a couple and plan to keep them.

Freely given opinions and worth every cent.......
 
Originally posted by jeffsmith:
I have owned & shot a 3rd generation DA/SA 3914 for several years

Lately, after shooting my new (to me) SW9M and a few DAO pistols rented at the range
(including an M&P9C)

What I've found is I actually prefer DAO

Anyone else have a similar (or different) experience?

Advantages vs Disadvantages of DAO ?

Talk about confusing terminology:

DA should be where the pull of the trigger actually raises the hammer or pushes the firing pin (striker) from complete rest to full cock and then releases it to fire the piece.

SA should be where the trigger merely moves a sear or similar device out of the way allowing the already fully cocked hammer or firing pin (striker) to fly forward to fire the piece.

DAO should be where you have DA on every shot.

Unfortunately, everyone wants their action to be a DAO, because that is what police chiefs (who usually know very little about guns, as do armorers, for that matter) want. Thus, some designs have partially pre-cocked hammers, firing pins (strikers), etc., and call themselves DAO even though the trigger stroke does not start the hammer or striker back from a fully rested position.

S&W DAOs and the M&P are like this, as is Glock, Springfield XD and others. Para-Ordnance and HK each use a two-piece hammer leaving the visible part down, while the rotating drum is nearly fully cocked, but invisible and inside the weapon. The trigger raises the visible part of the hammer which then catches and releases the rotating drum, and since the drum is the part under spring tension, it is the part driving the visible hammer to the firing pin at full speed.

The HK and Para system, as well as the Cylinder and Slide kit for the High Power and 1911 are all based on the Browning Fast Action of the 1980s US Military trials, which in turn was first used commercially by the South Koreans on the Daewoo.

The advantage of the pre-cocked system of S&W, Glock, Para and HK is the light trigger pull to fire the gun.

The disadvantage is the necessity to have the slide operate to re-set the mechanism.

If you like the DAO, more power to you. Many like it and say it reminds them of a DA revolver, which gives a "surprise break" enhancing accurate shooting. It does not really do it for me, and I suspect that many who use it like it because they think it is "safer" than a cocked 1911. I doubt that it is, and the Australian SAS for years carried their High Powers cocked and unlocked (Condition Zero) and never were known for alot of accidental discharges. Cocked and locked works fine. Don't believe me? Unload your 1911, put it in condition one and carry for a week. Count how many times the nammer falls on its own. I will bet the answer is zero.
 

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