Debt Consolidation ?????

Milton

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The son is in debt,trying to buy a house with several credit card debts and is staying afloat but just barely.He wants to "consolidate" his several debts into one thinking he will pay less monthly and overall.I disagree and think he needs to keep his nose to the grind stone until he gets through this .Opinions please??!!!
 
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On the upside to adding credit card debt to the mortgage payment, you can deduct the interest.
The downside is 30 years from now you tell your wife, "Remember that taxi ride we took from the airport to my mom's? Well, we just paid it off".
But you have to do what you have to do.
 
I'm with you, nose to the grindstone! If he buys a house he won't be able to cut the cards up for sure there will be too many: Insurance. furniture, maintenance, decorating, etc, etc. needs. One of my siblings got caught up in that mess it was a terrible time. Without help from my Mom they would still be in a very deep hole.
Steve
 
The most important part of the equation is getting rid of the cards and not getting more and amassing debt again. Waste of time and money.
The best thing he could do is concentrate on the smallest, pay it off, and then start on the next one.
Hope it works out for him.
Butch
 
Declare personal bankruptcy and deal with the CCs that way. Then set up a property management corporation, which will have its own line of credit. Buy the house under the corporation. Talk to a lawyer for details.
 
The best thing I ever did was read Financial Peace by Dave Ramsey...old school wisdom in a very current/relevant package.

I graduated college with 2 degrees and NO real world finance knowledge...pathetic. After reading Financial Peace, I felt like a junior high kid could understand it. Check out his website.

Of course, the only one that will change your son's habits is him...he has to be fed up with the status quo. Best wishes.
 
Originally posted by Milton:
The son is in debt . . .and is staying afloat but just barely.

That right there will pretty much keep him from buying a house - consolidation or not. He needs to pay off the debt and save some money for a down payment. A consolidation loan works perfectly on paper. Unfortunately in the real world many people use their newly created open line of credit to go further into debt. Finance is so much like weight control it isn't funny. Lose it quick gain it back quick works pretty much the same with debt. Take your time, do the right things, change your bad habits and you'll succeed.

Unfortunately, I have the ability to do well with money but I haven't found my discipline with food. Good luck with your son. We've paid off my daughter's debt once, used her earned income credit to pay off her debt a second time, the third time (now) my wife and I have learned and are letting her find her own way out of this mess.
 
Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
Declare personal bankruptcy and deal with the CCs that way. Then set up a property management corporation, which will have its own line of credit. Buy the house under the corporation. Talk to a lawyer for details.

And on who's income is the mortgage/line of credit to be qualified?
 
Bankruptcy, as far as I am concerned, shouldn't even be allowed. You create a debt you pay for it, I don't care if its $50.00 a month for the next 60 years. And one wonders why this once great nation is heading for the cesspool.
 
Originally posted by labworm:
Bankruptcy, as far as I am concerned, shouldn't even be allowed. You create a debt you pay for it, I don't care if its $50.00 a month for the next 60 years. And one wonders why this once great nation is heading for the cesspool.

I sincerely hope you and your family have a LOT of health insurance...it doesn't take long to burn through a 1,000,000 + policy for a catastrophic/long term event...my wife's uncle ended up selling his house and a lot of his posessions as well as taking bankruptcy to pay the bills for his wife's care before she passed away...he had to take the bankruptcy in order to get medicare/medicaid assistance; without it he couldn't afford the long term nursing home care and the nursing home was more than willing to discharge a semi-comatose patient whose bills were in arrears..I hope something like this doesn't happen to you or your family.
 
I have to do credit checks for applicants here at the low-income senior citizen apartment building. We never hold it against someone that they had to claim a bankruptcy based on medical issues. Running up your Lord & Taylors and not paying it off, however, is an entirely different issue.
 
Originally posted by Uncle Larry:
Originally posted by labworm:
Bankruptcy, as far as I am concerned, shouldn't even be allowed. You create a debt you pay for it, I don't care if its $50.00 a month for the next 60 years. And one wonders why this once great nation is heading for the cesspool.

I sincerely hope you and your family have a LOT of health insurance...it doesn't take long to burn through a 1,000,000 + policy for a catastrophic/long term event...my wife's uncle ended up selling his house and a lot of his posessions as well as taking bankruptcy to pay the bills for his wife's care before she passed away...he had to take the bankruptcy in order to get medicare/medicaid assistance; without it he couldn't afford the long term nursing home care and the nursing home was more than willing to discharge a semi-comatose patient whose bills were in arrears..I hope something like this doesn't happen to you or your family.

First of all you are absolutely correct in what you are saying, I should have worded it much differently. My apology to you sir.

I am referring basically to those who run up needless expenses and expect to walk away from their responsibilities.

In my family we have a similar condition as you have described, so once again I apologize.
 
No need to apologise...sometimes it's hard to get our thoughts across on an interweb board...it's difficult (at best sometimes) to try and convey emotion or try to get our points across without sounding "snarky"....I probably should have realised what your point was and over reacted...sorry.

And I totally agree with you about the run-it-up and leave people...it irritates me no end to hear them whine about their "right" to credit cards and loans...aarrrrggghhh!
 
Those who run up huge bills on their credit cards are easy targets. They're living beyond their means, borrowing against the future. Talk is normally hopeless under these circumstances. Helping them is a waste of money and time because they only dig themselves back in deeper as soon as they can.

There are some circumstances where rolling a bunch of smaller debts makes sense. The problem seems to be that almost always (I did say almost) the people who got in over their heads lack discipline. Rolling the debts together relieves the pressure. Plus, they have a nice large credit limit that isn't being used. And the kids could use new shoes. Besides, going out to eat once in a while isn't so bad.

The situations where I see rolling the debt into a mortgage is where the rates are high for the various smaller bills, and the loan rate on the mortgage is really low. If the person wants to get out of debt, this could be the hot ticket. If they end up paying significantly less in monthly payments, its attractive. If they have any sense at all, they'll pay an additional $200 or so a month against the principle of the mortgage. Most would prefer to spend it on current life style improvements.
 
Declare personal bankruptcy and deal with the CCs that way

I gotta cry foul on this advice. Credit card debt should not be subject to judicial relief via bankruptcy. You ran up the debt buying "stuff" you could not live without, then pay for it. Much of the financial difficulty this nation faces can be attributed directly to this widespread attitude.

Medical disasters fall into a whole different category but I really don't want to drift into the lack of medical care debate in this thread.
 
Number one is he needs a budget, without that he is done. Crown Financial offers a plan to get yourself out of the paycheck to paycheck routine, and how to deal with these issues.

Here is a link to their free accelerated debt repayment calculator.


http://www.crown.org/Tools/Cal...cceleratedPayoff.asp

I highly recommend the Money Map.
 
imho:
+ 1 on Dave Ramsey's Financial peace, as well as/or Crown Money Map. One can usually listen online.

Credit card companies are evil. A report on the news today said that they get 70% of their income, roughly 12 BILLION dollars, from finance charges and other fees!!!

OMG! That is staggering.

Broke people shouldn't buy houses. This ONE fact is why the economy is tanked and all the fannie, freddie, and bailouts has come down the pike!!!

I agree with dad, get that stuff cleaned up FIRST. Whether or not consolidation is a good idea would depend on several factors, including interest rates, the $$$ owed, etc. AND, most importantly, if he can change his habits. If he consolidates this year, doesn't change his habits, and is in the same boat again in 5 years with a consolidation loan, plus more cards, plus a mortgage, then what? another big item: is spouse involved, and is spouse on board?

How is he going to pay for incidentals in his own property, if he can't make his payments now? Home ownership has it's rewards, but it's also a LOT of work... and there's always an expense... always something...a new furnace, a water heater, a faucet repair, paint. We just spent two days mowing and cleaning, and filled three gas cans, plus a battery and a new inner tube for the mower tire, which is shot and a new tire is $60. The tube might buy us a couple of months. Even mower gas starts to add up. (Most covenants are NOT going to let you have a goat.)

How to:
The first most important thing to do is to get a budget written out, as 'Uncle Dave' says..."On paper, on purpose."

Ya can't spend it if ya don't have it. Pay cash. If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it.

Most people don't have a spending plan that outlines who they owe and what they're making. First you have to know where you are: List everything that is income and list every single outgo. First, basic necessities. Food and lights, and then go from there.

If you can't make it stretch that far, then either the income has to increase (Sell something and/or get another job) or the spending/outgo has to decrease.

You make a spending plan to tell YOUR dollars where to go. A budget isn't a life sentence, it's just making a plan ahead of time where to send your hard earned dollars. It's YOU taking control of YOUR money...it's your most powerful tool.

A lot of people don't realize where their $$'s go, and when you see the payments listed on paper, one can begin to see it more clearly. And, it makes that $4 latte seem a little less enticing! Dining out, computer toys, cable tv and multiple phones are NOT a necessity!

Most computers come with some kind of software...Quicken, Microsoft money, etc, get those checks and payments onto that software, and it will help to do the budget. Most programs can make reports that show who gets what.

Dave R. recommends starting with the smallest credit card balance first and getting that paid off, then start the next one...the reason: people start to see progress and it tends to motivate them even more.

Also, ON paper also makes it easier to make sure payments have been made, you're not overlooking something and ending up with a late fee or finance charges someplace.

As has been stated, changing the spending habits that got him in to this mess is not going to be easy, and it IS going to take a while to dig out. The upside is that it can be done, and every week, on Fridays, Dave Ramsey has callers that yell out, "We're Debt free!" and it's amazing what they have paid off!

If you're looking at an item to purchase with a credit card, Add 25 to 30% of the price onto the item, then look again and ask yourself, is it really that great a deal?

We're an 'instant' society...microwaves heat food in seconds and computers give us instant information. This generation has not had to wait for anything...and they don't want to wait for the 'big stuff' either...they want what they want when they want it. Their folks bought a house that they had to work 15 years to save the down payment, and then work another 30 to pay it off, and to fill it...but they want that standard of living NOW. So, they slapped down the plastic to fill the houses that they couldn't afford, damn the torpedoes. They bought mc mansions when all they qualified for was a cereal box, and then filled them with stuff charged on credit cards. I don't believe that they should be able to declare bankruptcy and not have to pay for what they 'had to have'!

Their spending habits are causing big problems for those of us that tried to do things the right way...saved, scrimped, worked hard, and now are unemployed or worse, because of the current economy. My hubby hasn't had a full week's work since January.

sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant!

sammi steps off her soapbox...
 
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