Diabetes-- Help

My 4th day - eating good. I'm holding at 126. Morn. hours are high but protein in am is going from 180 to 126. Tomorrow i start the gym. just going to walk for 1/2 hour in am and then going back with the wife at 6 pm. She has been going for 6 years and has been paying $360 a year for me and i been there only 3 times in 6 years. I have to start going now,no more laying around the house and going to the gun range. I will get to see all these men that are hitting on my wife. So i'm told.lol
Can i carry when working out. ?????
 
I carry pretty much all the time. If you have a carry method that is discreet enough, by all means, I would. No one at the gym needs to know, of course.

More important: good start.
 
I'm going to write some boring stuff about my history, but start with some rather firmly worded stuff about the need to make aggressive changes now.

8.5 is not merely unsatisfactory. It is dangerous. Anything over 6.5 is a serious issue, and you need to be back down to 6.0. There are subtle types of damage being done to lot of your body. Eyes, nerves, kidneys, blood vessels, ticker, and more. You will be more prone to various infections, too. By the time you notice them, you will have serious problems that will destroy your quality of life. You're being compelled to move to satisfy your wife's desire to see the grandkids etc - if you don't change the path on which you are traveling with the utmost aggression, you will not be able to enjoy the kids, even assuming you are alive. Go to youtube, and find the R. Lee Ermey/Full Metal Jacket introduction to boot camp. Apply that mindset to the changes you need to make.

The diabetic education class is a critical first step. Good for you, and as you note, you should have gone to it at the first indication. Due to my introduction to diabetes, I didn't know what I didn't know. The class was vital. Try like heck to have your GP refer you to a good endocrinologist as suggested above. The specific knowledge is good for you. Exercise is vital. I se you have some significant issues that limit your ability to engage is some forms of exercise, so a good rehab therapist and athletic trainer if you can find them (most MDs know jack about exercise physiology) who can help you find something you can do is a great investment. My guess is that walking in a pool (easier on your joints) might be in your future. Let's make sure you understand this: the things you have to do will require serious changes in your mindset, your life, and your allocation of money. If you are not willing to do this, plan on writing your will and checking out ASAP, or on having a miserable remainder to your life.

Why do I have such a vigorous attitude? My own history. I have written about it in a couple of settings, and will try to combine the S&W forum safe parts of it. Some was written to my siblings to educate them and their kids (themselves all adults); some in a PM exchange on another forum.
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Shorter version: I do pretty well with the BG and everything else, partly because I am so active. It probably saved my life when I was discovered to have developed diabetes (June 2008) as a result of the prednisone I was on for a few months. 3.5 days on my backside with IV insulin and stuff - a 676 BG causes some major panty bunching among medics. My A1C at that time was 13.1 or so. I've been 6.2 or less, usually 6 or less, for 4.5 years now. For unknown reasons, the glomu-whatever (filters in the kidneys) had gotten too open and I was not processing protein, just pissing it out. The prednisone at pretty high doses for 4 months were needed to shrink them. Unfortunately, that is a stress test for the pancreas, and if you have the latent tendency, it will soon suck to be you.

The prednisone made me gain weight (35-ish pounds in about 6 weeks) AND get weak. FML. As the BG got higher, I become very prone to muscle cramps during exercise, so instead of using the exercise bike for 60 hard minutes, at about 22 minutes I had opposing muscles lock up. Painful. FML again. When I groused to the doctor and wanted to see if we could transition off the Prednisuck, they did some blood draws. One was over 400, which meant jack to me, but I did not even have any of the side effects. 2 were ok, the 4th was the 676. I was in the hospital and on IV insulin, plus a bolus to start, an hour after the doctor called. I started the diabetic education right away the first morning in the hospital. After 3.5 days I got out, and I don't recall ever getting below 200 while I was there. I was too used to being active.

When I went to the education class the day after release, they were advocating this starvation diet (maybe 1800 calories/day, when I would lose weight at 3K under normal conditions) and at least 30 minutes of walking as exercise (which is maybe what I would do with the dogs, prior to the real exercise). Most of the folks in the class were on the slow motion suicide by lifestyle plan. This was followed by the clot and all that crud, discovered that day. (I seemingly clotted as a result of laying on my butt in the bed, which may have been BG related.) 31 hours of not getting out of bed in the hospital except I refused to dump in a bedpan and have some poor stranger have to wipe my furry butt. 4 more days total, leaving me at 8 in an 11 day period. The two sets of diet restrictions meant I could only eat unrestricted amounts of meat and cheese. Hello cholesterol and pravstatin. FML cubed.

Several people smarter than I have told me the vast majority of people who experienced that would have croaked - like 95%, and only my lifestyle carried me. I was annoyed and inconvenienced. I have some tangential damage/after effects, like the last 10 pounds of the 35 are just refusing to come off. I had a herniated belly button due to the weight gain, leading to surgery. FML(4th). My vision already sucked; there was a little more damage that is hard to tell from the effects of age on a guy who started wearing glasses at 7 and was at or worse than 20/400 most of his life. There is a little additional nerve damage, not much, and some other hormonal/adrenal crud.

Considering what it could have been, no real complaints. The diabetes is dealt mostly by diet and exercise, with some metformin. I wear a 50-52 coat with < 38 trousers at 6'1 and 230, which is a pain in itself since that means nothing on the rack is close to fitting. It would be worse if I were in better shape! I am also a pharmacopea. My list of scrips is annoying, but not as bad as someone who really let themselves go for 40 years. I have a lot of affection and respect for the two specialists, whom I saw so much that I did not see my primary for over 2 years.

To the sibs: I've been doing some research about this since my predisone induced blood sugar issues, and more since I learned that mom has diabetic tendencies, specifically high BG. As I learned enough more to have new questions, I inquired of my endocrinologist. In sum: I think we are all at a higher risk because of genetics. This means that each of you (and your kids) need to be aware of the risk, means of monitoring, and risk reduction protocols.

In essence, those like me who end up developing type 2 as a result of the use of the steroid (prednisone), are already prone to the problem. My doctor described it as essentially a failed stress test for the pancreas. I suspect that some symptoms I had, such as occasional calf cramps on the exercise bike, were preliminary indications. That was likely a result of elevated blood sugar because unlike running, I needed to eat something or become far too hungry to continue. The good news is that because of my relatively aggressive exercise program, I was merely inconvenienced by all the things that happened.

I only survived it because of my lifestyle, and roughly 95% would have died. I should have been comatose, or at least convulsing. The BG level I had was well over 5X the presumed top of normal BG, and my A1C (the real issue) was WAY past the diabetic threshold. The nurses on my floor told me that I looked too healthy to be there. Well, goody.

I suspect that the kidney issue that resulted in being prescribed the prednisone to address the filter issue may have been related to diabetic symptoms, too. All together it means I don't get to improve my life insurance in any meaningful way. All of these things interrelate and mean I have some real interesting (in both breadth and number) prescriptions, in part because of the increased risk of other problems (blood pressure being the big one).

SO: the real point is that all of you (and your kids) may be well advised to pay a little more attention to diabetic symptoms and indicators than most other members of the population. I think that there is enough here to answer a question about "family history of diabetes" in the affirmative. The problem then becomes being an informed consumer. I did not know the extent of my ignorance when this all started. Like most people who are not diabetic or did not know of their risk, I did not have any incentive to know what any of this all meant.

First: the BG # one gets from a finger stick test is simply a moment in time, like a snapshot. Unless you have some really odd # that gets medical attention, it is not useful information. What you really want is the A1C. It essentially provides a more long term impression, showing your average BG over a period of months. (This is a CRUDE over-simplification.) For good info, see A1C and eAG: American Diabetes Association®. I strongly recommend that you get this test done at every physical, not less than once a year, if you can persuade your doctor. It also takes a finger stick, and about 5 minutes to process. If you are at or above 6.5, you need to start taking action. 7 is considered diabetic. When I was hospitalized, mine was over 13 - and if you look at the chart on that web page, you'll see it does not go that high! (My A1C for the last 4 years has ranged between 5.8 and 6.2.) I can control this largely by diet and exercise, as once I weaned off the prednisone I had less trouble with the insulin production and uptake. I do take some pills (metformin), but most of the control is personal.

When I started the education classes, I was aghast at what they considered appropriate exercise, until I considered the population in my class. The level is so low (work UP to 30 minutes/day of walking) as to be laughable, IMHO - generally less than the normal walking of the dogs before exercising! They also had me on what was essentially a starvation diet, because they were not used to an active person. That took some fixing.

The importance of exercise is two-fold. The first part is obvious - the more exercise, the more you use the sugar in your blood. That's simple. The other part, however, is that exercise improves/increases uptake of insulin at the cellular level. That means if you have limited insulin production, as I do and you are at risk for, what is there is used better. I have lost a lot of tolerance and recovery ability in the last few years, which I think is mostly age related, but may overlap with the illness(es). It's pretty hard to do a minimal CV workout (40 minutes at >80% of MHR, when I used to do an hour or more) followed by serious weights. I do what I can. Losing the last 10 pounds of what I gained with the prednisone has also been ugly. The first 25 came off in about 8 months.

I was lucky. An insurance physical caught the kidney issue, leading to the scrutiny. My lifestyle carried me through this. My doctors, frankly, are outstanding. Because I had one squared away specialist (nephrologist), I got connected to one of his colleagues (the endocrinologist) whom he holds in high regard. They work together and coordinate well enough that I call them co-conspirators. I did not even see my primary care doctor for the first 2 years or so of this, as they saw me so often they took care of all my medical needs while I was there. I can't say enough good about them. Good insurance helped.

Since I have ridden through this, about as well as I can, and we also have the indicators from mom's symptoms, you should make use of this experience for your own benefit without going though all the fun I did. My vision, never good, is a little worse; I have a few small nerve problems; other things have been impacted a bit. Don't let yourselves get too far in to a problem by failing to learn from my experience and upgrading your self monitoring. One of the things I have seen since my first diabetic education is that most people are HORRID consumers of medical care. They don't know what they don't know, they are too apathetic to inquire of and work with their doctors, and then often too lazy to make use of the information. It's crazy to see some of the people who do not listen to my doctors, and it is obvious they don't. Why bother going to the doctor then?
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Back to the specifics again. I am a needle sissy. I HATE doing blood draws, getting shots, and all that. So what? I did the insulin thing for about 10 months as they weaned me off the prednisone (on something else now for that issue, which maintains control over it). Insulin is watery and thin, so the needles are not obnoxious. I had one shot daily of ... something I don't recall, and then an adjustable pen with about 250 units of insulin that I injected with meals after I did the carb math. Even while in the hospital, I insisted on learning to do my own, since I was going to have to. Compared to the blood thinners (and when I started it was IV Heparin, oral Coumadin, and injected Lovanox), easy. Lovanox was like shooting gear lube into my belly blub. Hated it, but it was only a week. I have some other endocrine damage and give myself another shot 3X/month. Big needle, and I live 180 miles from the clinic, so I do it at home. Also thick, think enough to try to push the plunger back up if I don't hold it.:eek:

I take Metformin ER, 1000 2 X daily with food. (Regular metformin made colonoscopy prep seem fun; take the ER.) For me, with diet and exercise, it works. I prioritize exercise over almost everything else that is optional in life. My wife and I don't go to movies much, most other social silliness is rare (maybe 1 event a year at most), etc. My dad got 10 good years of life after his first chest pains that would have been fatal if he had not lost weight and started exercising at 42 or so, and I have been to enough autopsies that I know what matters. You are at this moment, not able to do without insulin. Suck it up, and do what you gotta do. It's the only body you will ever have, and if you don't start doing what you need to, the costs will be awful. I went to a DOA about a year before I retired on a guy who was not all that old, but spent 30+ years dying from all of his diabetic issues and side effects. Multiple amputations, open heart surgery, and a generally bedridden horrid life. No thanks.
Thank you for taking the time to set me straight. i am determined to turn my situation around by totally changing my lifestyle. I hope it is not too late.
 
Well, I'm just a test group of one, with good doctors, so take my words as advice, not gospel. I didn't know a darned thing when I started the trip. The first step is educating yourself to be a better consumer of medical information - lots of folks are not. If at all possible, try to get a referral to an endocrinologist whose practice is largely diabetes related. There are a lot of interactions that they will pick up on and about which they can educate you.

I think the 1X daily shot was Lantus - also thin and watery and no big deal. BTW, don't worry about dignity. I used to order meals and then go to the bathroom to inject when I was traveling with my wife; even on duty. No one ever gave a damn. A few picked up on the diabetic thing right away. Damage? I think it starts slowly, so you may not have a lot. If you do, you do. Take the other steps needed and drive on - at least it should not continue to get worse once you get a thumb on it. Once you learn about the subtle indicators you will start to perceive about when your BG is high, or low, and learn to test to confirm and then take steps, you will be amazed at how fast the progress will seem. I'd bet a lot that if you put in the effort to learn and act, the improved test results in 3 months will be amazing to you.

I have always been a bit of a glutton, and when younger could get away with it due to lifestyle. I would lose weight on a 3K calorie/day level. I got my Dad's sweet tooth and my mom's crummy pancreas, it seems. Rum Raisin ice cream at Wahl's (Pittsford, for the other folks from that part of NY)? By the truckload. Chinese buffet? URP. (I pretty much stay out of them now ... gotta know your weaknesses.) I still eat a lot more than most folks my age; some of the stuff and quantities I eat would probably make Dr. Bossypants (as I call her) launch into orbit. I gave up on other things, and take the trades I can. It's all about learning the basics and applying them to your body. I know your joints would not allow you to exercise the way I do, and I trained in the way I did for occupational reasons.
 
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Today was my first day at the gym. I eat this morn and my sugar was 137 all morn. I had lunch then went to the gym for 1 hour. just walked at 3.4 mph burnt 140 cal. I just took my sugar and it's 180. That's not right so i took it again 188. ??????
 
also, if you have any other health issues, it affects the diabetes. if you have any chronic pain issues, the numbers will be up. there are so many things that affects this problem, that is why i say endocrinologist. most gp types just don't have the ongoing training needed. it is also a very personal disease,that is, it affects everyone differently. proper treatment for one person is not proper for someone else.
 
Today was my first day at the gym. I eat this morn and my sugar was 137 all morn. I had lunch then went to the gym for 1 hour. just walked at 3.4 mph burnt 140 cal. I just took my sugar and it's 180. That's not right so i took it again 188. ??????

Give it time. A year ago, my sugar was out of control and doc said if I don't get it under control soon, I would have to start insulin. I started going back to the gym, lost about 40 lbs and now I'm taking less than half of my meds to keep it under control.

I will spend 2-2 1/2 hours in the gym 4-6 hours a week, doing 40-50 mins cardio each visit and then 1-1.5 hours lifting weights. I have cut out of my diet most everything that is white. This includes foods made from flour, sugar, and potatoes. I have also included 2-4 protien shakes a day along with other supplements.

Last time I had my A1C checked, it was 6.1 and my sugar usually is in the high 80's to low 100's when checked. So again, be patient and give it time. Results won't happen overnight. Stick with it and again, give it some time.
 
Give it time. A year ago, my sugar was out of control and doc said if I don't get it under control soon, I would have to start insulin. I started going back to the gym, lost about 40 lbs and now I'm taking less than half of my meds to keep it under control.

I will spend 2-2 1/2 hours in the gym 4-6 hours a week, doing 40-50 mins cardio each visit and then 1-1.5 hours lifting weights. I have cut out of my diet most everything that is white. This includes foods made from flour, sugar, and potatoes. I have also included 2-4 protien shakes a day along with other supplements.

Last time I had my A1C checked, it was 6.1 and my sugar usually is in the high 80's to low 100's when checked. So again, be patient and give it time. Results won't happen overnight. Stick with it and again, give it some time.
That's very good numbers. How many Mg. are you on now ?
With numbers that good-have you asked your Dr. to take you off meds.?
 
When i took my sugar after the gym is was high 180. I had dinner and took it 2 hours after. 107 -took it again 105. It's been like that. if i don't eat something---numbers go up fast. but when i eat -numbers go down. Lots i have to learn yet.. It seems that protein -lowers my sugar
 
That's very good numbers. How many Mg. are you on now ?
With numbers that good-have you asked your Dr. to take you off meds.?

I was taking glybiride/metformin 2.5/500 2 tabs twice a day. I am now taking less than 2 tabs a day. If I don't take the meds, my sugar will increase, so I will probably be taking the meds the rest of my life, but in this case, less is better.

My BP was also off the charts and was taking 20 mg of lisinopril daily. That has been cut to 5 mg a day. FWIW, I'm 58 and had a total knee replacement just under 3 months ago.
 
also, if you have any other health issues, it affects the diabetes. if you have any chronic pain issues, the numbers will be up. there are so many things that affects this problem, that is why i say endocrinologist. most gp types just don't have the ongoing training needed. it is also a very personal disease,that is, it affects everyone differently. proper treatment for one person is not proper for someone else.

Yes, Dr. told me that pain affects diabetes. With back pain-2 surg. I also need knee replacement but i'm not having it down here in Delaware. I'm going to New York -Hospital of special surg. My Mom & Dad are 88 & 86 and they don't take any pills at all. I must of really screwed up my body. Smoked -pain pills and worked as a mechanic for 40 years. Never went to the gym. Growing up in the 60s & 70s-did a few other things...Paying for it now !!!!
 
When i took my sugar after the gym is was high 180. I had dinner and took it 2 hours after. 107 -took it again 105. It's been like that. if i don't eat something---numbers go up fast. but when i eat -numbers go down. Lots i have to learn yet.. It seems that protein -lowers my sugar

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So many factors can play into this, and I have no clue. Just another reason to get a referral to an endocrinologist.
 
Doug M. has some really good advice. When I took my classes, the nurse asked us all to set goals for exercise. The other 6 people all said they'd try to work up to 20 minutes a day. I told her I was going to be consistently doing an hour a day on my bike. I don't think she believed me.

My doctor told me that while Metformin is helpful, exercise is the key to keeping things in check.

I exercise one hour at least 6 days a week. I alternate, doing on hour on the bike one day and an hour on the rowing machine the next. When the weather is good enough, I ride my bike outside for about 1:20. Riding outside is better, but it's also weather dependent.

I haven't lost that much weight, but I've converted a lot of fat to muscle. Fat actually weighs less than muscle, which a lot of people don't know.

What you want to do is burn off as much fat as possible. Metformin helps that process by inhibiting the release of Glycogen from the Liver. That forces your body to use the fat instead. Controlling what you eat is also part of the equation. If you use up enough of the fat, at some point the body will start to burn off the Glycogen as well.

You don't have to live like a monk, but you do have to pay attention to what you eat. What will work for me might not work for you. I've started eating whole wheat or multi grain breads, eat a lot of bran cereal, eat a lot more fruit, cut back on potatoes, and try to eat as little rice as possible. When I do eat rice, I try to get long grain, not white rice.

As others have said, I've cut way back on diet soda and drink ice tea (no sugar) and water.

As others have said, I'm doing this so I can have more time to spend with my grand kids.
 
S&W357,
I'm not much help on diabetes, but have a couple pointers on
going to the gym. I've lifted free weights on and off since my teens.
After one of my innumerable lazy times, I saw some
doctor claim that weights would lower chloresterol. At the time,
I had just been tested for that,=223.
A month later, had another test for insurance purposes=173.
Also, pushing yourself to find out how heavy to lift is
a sure way to get laid-up and lose whatever benefit you had
achieved. The really important part of weights is form and range
of motion.
Sounds like you're doing everything right, now, so you have time
to experiment.
I wish you the best with your condition.
TACC1
 
When i took my sugar after the gym is was high 180. I had dinner and took it 2 hours after. 107 -took it again 105. It's been like that. if i don't eat something---numbers go up fast. but when i eat -numbers go down. Lots i have to learn yet.. It seems that protein -lowers my sugar

Your sugar goes up when you don't eat because the liver
"says hey we need more sugar in the body" and produces
more glucose. Goes down after eating because the liver
sees no reason to produce anymore glucose.....takes time
to work it all out. Good Luck
 
When i took my sugar after the gym is was high 180. I had dinner and took it 2 hours after. 107 -took it again 105. It's been like that. if i don't eat something---numbers go up fast. but when i eat -numbers go down. Lots i have to learn yet.. It seems that protein -lowers my sugar

I am no expert in this but what you eat is critical - if you are having refined carbs of any kind (bread, starches, sugar - anything with a label of ingredients like corn flakes) it is a tough battle.

Pigs & cattle are fed grains (corn etc) to fatten them up - it will do the same to us.

Two slices of "healthy whole grain wheat bread" will spike your blood sugar more than a Snickers bar or 2 tsp of white table sugar.

The gov't still recommends "healthy whole grains" at the bottom of the pyramid but the diabetes and obesity rates are crazy - more "low fat" food is sold today than ever, but more people are obese and diabetic - crazy.

A low fat "diet" is a lie - it can never work unless you want to feel deprived and hungry.
 
I am no expert in this but what you eat is critical - if you are having refined carbs of any kind (bread, starches, sugar - anything with a label of ingredients like corn flakes) it is a tough battle.

Pigs & cattle are fed grains (corn etc) to fatten them up - it will do the same to us.

Two slices of "healthy whole grain wheat bread" will spike your blood sugar more than a Snickers bar or 2 tsp of white table sugar.

The gov't still recommends "healthy whole grains" at the bottom of the pyramid but the diabetes and obesity rates are crazy - more "low fat" food is sold today than ever, but more people are obese and diabetic - crazy.

A low fat "diet" is a lie - it can never work unless you want to feel deprived and hungry.

In am -2 eggs with bacon-lunch -chicken and cheese -dinner lots of greens with a steak [cut the fat out]- Snacks- i have these peanuts butter n choc. protein bars. All less then 60 carbs a meal. Lots n Lots of water. I'm drinking 8 glasses a day. If i get hungry -i will steam up some broccoli with garlic. You can eat all the broccoli you want. I was big on fruit but not now. Even tho i can have 2 slices of bread 15 carbs each. Thats 30 carbs. That's 4 peanut butter n choc. bars. I was a big milk drinker. No more milk. Look at me -5 days ago i didn't know any of this.
I read two books .I can see how this is going to be a fight to the end. It can be done but for the rest of my life ? I'm buying a smoker. Start smoking fish.....
 
Don't cut the fat off your steak; the body will use fat for energy more readily than it can use protein (still need the protein for other functions), and that helps keep your blood-glucose under control.

Dietary fat is not as bad for you as has long been believed, and has little to do with serum cholesterol or weight gain. Tons of recent science has been showing that low-fat diets are unhealthy, primarily because they make you hungry for carbs because you are running low on easily-convertable fuel.

Well worth your time if you want to get a deeper understanding of what is currently known about diet and its effects on metabolism:
Start Here « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

& especially this article from that site:
How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us? « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
 
Don't cut the fat off your steak; the body will use fat for energy more readily than it can use protein (still need the protein for other functions), and that helps keep your blood-glucose under control.

Dietary fat is not as bad for you as has long been believed, and has little to do with serum cholesterol or weight gain. Tons of recent science has been showing that low-fat diets are unhealthy, primarily because they make you hungry for carbs because you are running low on easily-convertable fuel.

Well worth your time if you want to get a deeper understanding of what is currently known about diet and its effects on metabolism:
Start Here « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

& especially this article from that site:
How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us? « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
It seems that the more protein i eat the lower my sugar. I when to the gym this morn because sugar was 190. I had hard boiled egg and did 45 min.walk. came back home -sugar was 106. I had lunch -went for a walk with the dog. at 2 pm today my sugar was 80. I never saw it that low. I go to the Dr. in 2 week [real Dr.]
 
In general I agree with you, but keep in mind that one of the things we want to do is burn off the fat on our bodies. While the fat on steak is tasty, it's not helping that goal. No need to be a fanatic about it, but some trimming is good.

Also, one of the things about protein is that it takes a lot of energy for the body to break it down and as such it doesn't produce a lot of energy. Again, this is where our body fat comes in to play.

A guy I know is a very serious biker. For a while he had a bike shirt that said "Powered by fat" on the back. He's not fat and that's because he bikes and does Nordic Skiing. Both use a ton of energy and if you have extra fat they will burn it off fast.

One thing I don't do is measure my BG on a daily basis. I discussed this with my doctor when he first made the diagnosis and we agreed. As someone else said, daily BG levels will vary and are of little value if you are orally controlled. The A1C is the important number and that's a trend over several months. When I was first diagnosed, I was tested every three months. At my last visit, the doctor told me that I only needed to be tested every six months.

What will work for BG control is different for everyone to some degree. Find what works for you and stick with it.


Don't cut the fat off your steak; the body will use fat for energy more readily than it can use protein (still need the protein for other functions), and that helps keep your blood-glucose under control.

Dietary fat is not as bad for you as has long been believed, and has little to do with serum cholesterol or weight gain. Tons of recent science has been showing that low-fat diets are unhealthy, primarily because they make you hungry for carbs because you are running low on easily-convertable fuel.

Well worth your time if you want to get a deeper understanding of what is currently known about diet and its effects on metabolism:
Start Here « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

& especially this article from that site:
How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us? « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
 
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As noted, pain and other stress will likely crank up blood sugar. And, as already said, pushing too hard in the gym is a good way to hurt yourself in various ways. You are making some changes that take time. As for exercise, concentrate on improving your cardio as you start, because it will help your body deal with the stresses that come with other forms of exercise, and along with diet will help you cut weight, which also help with the BG stuff. You don't want to push so hard that you have an MI on the treadmill - I hear that is counterproductive.:eek:

There has been a falsehood out for many years that we are going to add weight as we age. We MAY, but we should not. Muscle weighs more than fat, and most normal people (not super-jocks, a group by which we mere mortals should not measure ourselves) will lose muscle a bit at a time as we age. As a result, even staying steady means we are likely adding fat, especially after we cross 50 or so (like me):(. I have also had to lighten up my lifting, going back to lighter weights and more reps, because my joints (especially my shoulders) have been screaming bloody murder.

I used to start lifting with a weight I could lift in good form at about 4-5 reps, then work down about 20% at a time to a final set at about 10 reps, preferably in 4 sets, with as little rest as possible between sets. I would often do this after running a substantial distance. A short run was 5 miles, and I was not above 9-12. Those days are gone. Now that strength and mass are not as important as when I was still in LE, I don't need to, and the drawbacks had to be considered. If/when you start into resistance training (which is part of a comprehensive fitness plan), don't be concerned about doing weights light enough to do 12-15 reps in good form. Even if your muscles can handle more, your joints and connective tissue may have some harsh words to speak until they get more able to deal with added weight, if they ever do. Don't be afraid to spend the money to get a good assessment from a real fitness trainer if available at your gym. We make lousy lab rats because of the variation in human bodies and minds; lab rats and mice are bred to be as identical as possible.

I see folks well into the 60s and 70s, and some I suspect are in their 80s, at the gym. Most of them do "modest" exercise because they are not trying to do marathons, power lift, etc. Regardless, they are taking care of themselves, and are probably "younger" in net effect than their actual age. There are a couple old guys who have been doing heavy stuff all their lives and whom I would not arm wrestle on a bet, but they are in the freak category, and you do not want to compare yourselves to them.Walking the dog can be good for both of you, my research with the house hounds over the years convinces me that a tired dog is a good dog anyway.

This is NOT an overnight process. It is a longer term evolutionary process, especially considering your description of your prior exercise history. Get in it for the long run, find ways to enjoy what you are doing and not just its benefits, and I'll bet that in 3-6 months, there will be some real changes that you don't perceive until measuring them.
 
In general I agree with you, but keep in mind that one of the things we want to do is burn off the fat on our bodies. While the fat on steak is tasty, it's not helping that goal. No need to be a fanatic about it, but some trimming is good.

Also, one of the things about protein is that it takes a lot of energy for the body to break it down and as such it doesn't produce a lot of energy. Again, this is where our body fat comes in to play.

A guy I know is a very serious biker. For a while he had a bike shirt that said "Powered by fat" on the back. He's not fat and that's because he bikes and does Nordic Skiing. Both use a ton of energy and if you have extra fat they will burn it off fast.

One thing I don't do is measure my BG on a daily basis. I discussed this with my doctor when he first made the diagnosis and we agreed. As someone else said, daily BG levels will vary and are of little value if you are orally controlled. The A1C is the important number and that's a trend over several months. When I was first diagnosed, I was tested every three months. At my last visit, the doctor told me that I only needed to be tested every six months.

What will work for BG control is different for everyone to some degree. Find what works for you and stick with it.

I know it's only 1 week now. Eating right and going to the gym .
I know i have to do this the rest of my life. I got my numbers down to 80. Why are my numbers so high in am? 220 is my sugar. Today i took my sugar 2 hours after i eat. 220 again. I went to the gym at 9 am and just took it 150. Something is going on with my body when i'm sleeping. I will find all the answers when i see the Dr. I'm just trying to get my numbers as low as i can. I don't want to use the needle.!!!!!!
 
I know it's only 1 week now. Eating right and going to the gym .
I know i have to do this the rest of my life. I got my numbers down to 80. Why are my numbers so high in am? 220 is my sugar. Today i took my sugar 2 hours after i eat. 220 again. I went to the gym at 9 am and just took it 150. Something is going on with my body when i'm sleeping. I will find all the answers when i see the Dr. I'm just trying to get my numbers as low as i can. I don't want to use the needle.!!!!!!

You might need to move a snack to right before bed. This gives your liver the "night off". Diabetes is definitely a YMMV disease. Everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. Don't be afraid of the needle. It is the only thing that is consistently able to work and be effective. I know, I've been on and off meds and insulin for over 30 years. :eek:
 
You may need a modest snack as WhiteLightning02 said. When I was first out of the hospital, the doc had me eating a small pre-bed snack for that reason. I was eating a small amount of baby carrots, maybe 15 grams worth (don't trust my memory; that's a long was back in the process for me).
 
You may need a modest snack as WhiteLightning02 said. When I was first out of the hospital, the doc had me eating a small pre-bed snack for that reason. I was eating a small amount of baby carrots, maybe 15 grams worth (don't trust my memory; that's a long was back in the process for me).

That is what i had at 9 pm. Baby carrots--then to bed. Tonight i'm going take my sugar at 2 am and at 4 am and see if it's low or high. Right now my sugar is 90. It seems that -it gets lower as i eat. I have been eating small -6x a day. I kind of like that because i'm always hungry anyway.
I'm not afraid of the needle -it's having it with me all the time. People that i know who use the needle are high then low then to low and they have to use sugar to get it high. i'm not one to take time out for my self. That is why i'm were i'm at now.
 
You might need to move a snack to right before bed. This gives your liver the "night off". Diabetes is definitely a YMMV disease. Everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. Don't be afraid of the needle. It is the only thing that is consistently able to work and be effective. I know, I've been on and off meds and insulin for over 30 years. :eek:

After a week going to the gym and eating right, my sugar are still high in am 180 to 200 but right after i eat in am they start going down fast. Today at 10 am i was shaking so i took my sugar 70 - I eat again and got it up to 80 and feel better- Its holding at 88 all day. My dr. appt is next week. I never had low sugar. I don't know if that's because i'm eating right and the gym ? Or am i just getting worst?
 
After taking my meds, if I don't eat again within a few hours, my sugar drops drastically. It has been as low as 44 and is a miserable feeling. If your sugar drops too low, don't panic, just get something sugary in you like orange juice or even some sugar. In 15-20 mins, your blood glucose will level out.
 
I seem to run a little higher than most, and have been known to seem/feel as though I am sugar crashing at 100 or just below. Since I am not known for my pleasant disposition, only a few savvy folks can pick up the increased crankiness as it drops.

You have a learning curve in front of you. Don't expect to know much for a while - it's a process, not an event. You'll get there. I'll admit I am curious about the high levels first thing in the AM, which is not consistent with my experiences, but I'm not a doctor.
 
It seems i'm opposite. The more i eat the lower my sugar. If i don't eat ever two hours, sugar goes up and up..
 
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