DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

[federali]

More is Better?

From an historical point of view, I can remember when the wonder-nines first hit the market, excluding the pre-existing Browning HP, everybody had to have one. In reality, police do need high capacity pistols on occasion. One need only study the 1970 Newhall incident to see how that tragedy changed police training and may have been instrumental in the wholesale transition to the autoloader.

I use both a Model 36 and a Kahr P9 for EDC but I prefer to carry a Glock 19 or my Browning HP when going to retail stores. You need to get the job done with what's in the gun. If you must reload, you're probably in very serious trouble. Look up the Sgt. James O'Sullivan shooting at a lower Manhattan (NY) Radio Shack to see what happens when a Model 36 is deployed against multiple armed robbers.

 

[silversnake]

There are times when running away are not an option. The Hendrix case could have happened to any one of us, LEO or not, given slightly different details at the outset. Had this not been a domestic, but the suspect was a mass shooter, we may be forced to return fire to protect ourselves and our dependents. I have a three year old daughter. I cannot run away from a firefight the same way I could if I were alone.

Explaining away these cases by saying 'That won't happen to me, because I'll just run away', doesn't address the real issue at hand: When you are forced to defend yourself and family, 5-6 rounds *may not be enough*.

I agree the lack of capacity did not help Mr. Hendrix, but his problems went beyond the revolver. Why was his gun stored in his wife's purse? Why did he have no spare ammunition? Let's say he did have a Shield with 8 or 9 rounds, he'd still be at a disadvantage against a guy with Glock 17. If you're outgunned, you need a better strategy.

Instead, Hendrix walked right up to a guy who had a drawn gun and announced he was a cop. Would you do anything like that with a mass shooter? I'd prefer to shoot the bad guy right in the back of his head, no warnings.

 

[gnystrom]

As gun ownership expanded, carry permits in states that never had them were available, the demand for small guns rapidly increased. Low cost, light polymer handguns became the rage. I saw dozens of them come into our range. The bulk of them virtually un-shootable by all but the most experienced shooters.

Personally I bought this to give me one more round than my other snubbies and sold my S&W Shield and 3" Kimber .45.

On days I think I may more need firepower,

 

[Walkingwolf]

Well they are still sought after, and sold so no. As far as cost a inexpensive semi auto gets real expensive with the amount of ammo mag dumps consume.

Revolver shooters don't do mag dumps.

 

[mrchuck]

My daily attire, what I wear, dictates what I carry as a concealed sidearm. For approx 8 months of the year, I wear shorts(swim trunks). The other 4 months, warm-ups long pants.
Rarely do I wear long pants with a belt.
I will be 79 on Aug 19th. I am a born Texan, veteran.
Therefore, my daily carry is a Kel-Tec P-11 holding a total of 12 rounds of 9mm Luger hi-po hollow points.
My other carry is a Smith&Wesson stainless Model 60 .357 mag with 5 rounds of 125 grain hi-po .357 hollow points.
As a retired Leo,this attire reflects that I am just an old male curmudgeon shopping at the store. Nothing more.
I mind my own business and do not get involved unless I am in danger.
That's it, nothing more.
Texas stores are full of old farts just like me.

 

[sw282]

Then all you really need is a Derringer

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Yes Arik.. A Hi Standard 22Mag 2shot makes me feel just as

SAFE as my Centennial.. Flattest gun you can carry.. Countless

law enforcement officers STILL carry them. A couple 22Mags

to the gut will give ANYONE a bad day...Want penetration??

Load that Hi Standard with 40gr 22Mag FMJ!!! Retiring from

Uncle Sugars' Army in 1993 after 26 years... Then going to

lraq 2003-2004 has made me a bit familiar with autos of most

varieties. l own Colt, Beretta, Browning autos... All BIG and heavy.

Even bought a 42 Glockalock recently.. NOTHING make me ANY

safer than my Centennial.. Never ceases to amaze going to Shooters.

Watching the others blaze away @ 5yards mercilessly into their

B27 targets... Then theres RAMBO with his tricked out AR chewing

up his target WAY out there @ 12 yards

 

[Arik]

Where and how they shoot is their problem. If he wants to shoot a 50bmg at 3 yards past his barrel it's not my money not my problem.

LEO carry them as back up. That's in case they run all mags dry and still need a gun and there's no back up.



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[kthom]

"There is absolutely nothing new here, and really not one original thought in the whole thing. I don't think there's anything in the article that's going to make anyone here change their mind about their carry weapon of choice."

This is a true statement. Mostly because there are very few, if any, original thoughts left lying on the table! Mostly because it's a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge, et all discussion. There are really no right or wrong answers that work for all of us. All of these brands will get you from here to New York (if that's where you want to go!), but only IF you don't get into a head on collision. The trick is to have a well maintained vehicle that you are able to operate well while you are doing your absolute best to avoid that head on collision!

We are fortunate to have so very many "good" choices. Most of us have favorites among brands and styles. Sometimes those favorites change, and some of us can make it to New York in any of them, maybe faster or slower, maybe more comfortably in some, but all of us have to avoid those head on crashes. Sometimes we can't do that, but if we are paying attention along the way, we have the best chance of doing that. In almost every case, the most important factor in the equasion of survival is the mind set and skill of the operator involved!

We all pay our money and take our chances. Ain't nuthin' guaranteed along the way. We make the best of bad and good situations that we face. We try to be as prepared as we can to do the best we can. Then we deal with the consequences of our own choices!

Revolvers and semi autos ... they are both good and they are both bad. One works better for some, and the other works better for others. Make your best choice and use it to the best of your ability. But do what's best for you, regardless of what may be best for someone else. Don't change until you have tested the new possible choice to find out before the crash if it's really better than what you already have! And then be happy with your choice. Doesn't matter whether anyone else agrees with you as long as you know what makes you happy and will work for you! And remember, it's OK to like both!!!

 

[white cloud]

I observed a similar interesting experience with a 21 year old female who was able to experience a wide variety of semi-autos and revolvers. Wise beyond her years with one post-graduate degree and now in law school, she picked a 4" .38 special M&P from the late 1940's with an action smooth as butter.

Women are the more intelligent of the species ....... according to my wife ..........and my observations tend to support that notion.

My wife has an earned doctorate and is very creative in a practical way. I was actually pushing the SIG because of it's size but she wanted nothing to do with it. I asked why she like the K Frame so much. Her reply was something along the lines of "simple to understand and operate and easy to hit with".

 

[Triggernosis]

Explaining away these cases by saying 'That won't happen to me, because I'll just run away', doesn't address the real issue at hand: When you are forced to defend yourself and family, 5-6 rounds *may not be enough*.

And neither may 17 rounds. That's why I choose to play by the odds, not arm myself for Armageddon every time I leave the house.

 

[haywood]

I have carried Glocks and XDs. with multipal mags. There is always going to be "well what if". These days I don't carry more than a 7 shooter and a 5 shooter plus reloads. If it takes more "oh well". Odds are I will never need any. Sometimes you just got to run what you brung and hope for the best.

 

[tops]

If all I had was a 9 m/m pistol single or double stack I would be at the gun store before it closed today and trade for a .38 spec. revolver. Larry

 

[nachogrande]

SS's OUTSELLING SNUB REVOLVERS?

SS 9mm's outselling snub revolvers at this moment, probably. Total #'s of snub revolvers owned WORLDWIDE vs SS 9's, not even close. The wonder 9's don't amount to a pimple on the backside of the snubs. That MAY change someday, but I kinda doubt it. Double stack 9's would be outselling the SS's IMO, cuz they are tactikewler.

 

[sigp220.45]

There will always be .38 snubs, in the same way you will always be able to go into a store and buy a .36 caliber cap and ball Navy like Wild Bill used to carry.

Go to a range. See what people are buying and shooting.

I love my .38s, and I carry them often. The last gun I bought was a Terrier and I was happy to find it. Colt just dumbfounded the internet by introducing a .38 snubby. Here in our little bubble we all love them and happily carry them, but look around and I think you'll see the answer to the OP's question is: Damn near.

 

[full mag]

while I think they do have a place, it seems that place is shrinking rapidly, I think price point alone is helping the 9, $200 shields vs $350-400 j frames, the 9s ammo is also cheaper then 38spl, all things people look at when buying new guns, atleast I do, ammo capcity, price, how hard it is to find food for, track record, just my thought on the debate.

 

[dben002]

Think a lot depends on age and experience.

If you are as old as me and you can remember when you had two choices, a wheel gun or a 3 lb brick bottom feeder you could not conceal except in winter you probably grew up on wheel guns.....

My LGS tells stories of the younger gen (for a large part not all for sure ) not being interested in heavy high capacity bottom feeders for concealed carry...and not a lot interested in wheel guns either....more so small concealable lightweigh bottom feeders. (not all as I said but the trend is trending).....

Wheel guns will always be in style and the choice of many....

 

[Topsarge]

Not a chance. If I'm going to accept the drawbacks of an autoloader I want as much capacity as I can get. A semiauto that only holds a round or two more than a revolver seems like the worst possible compromise in my opinion.

Edit: Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. For the people who can't learn to shoot a revolver (I haven't met many, but I hear on the Internet they exist) I suppose the single stack 9 is a good option.

I've got to agree with Silversnake. I retired from the job when the transition was being made from revolvers to semi autos. Being an FBI trained and certified firearms instructor, I was all for the change only because of the large round capacity. 15 rounds is better in a gun fight than 6. That being said, if it's only a few rounds difference or the same amount, I'll take the reliability of the revolver any day. I'm long retired (29 years) so I really don't have a need for a high capacity semi, but I do occasionally carry them. However, I carry big bore snubbies often in cooler weather. I feel they are more reliable and accurate.

 

[Triggernosis]

Here in our little bubble we all love them and happily carry them, but look around and I think you'll see the answer to the OP's question is: Damn near.

I'll have to agree. I'm the only one of about 10 of my shooting buddies that ever shoots a revolver, much less carries one.

 

[ladder13]

I love the look on the folks at the range when I whip out........




a revolver



Some look at it like an alien landed.

 

[Det-Sog]

I love the look on the folks at the range when I whip out........

a revolver

Some look at it like an alien landed.

Or... Oh crud. Got to move! I'm going to get blasted with **** coming out to the side of that thing!!!