DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

[sw282]

l read somewhere years ago that New York City keeps detailed records of

gunfights in the city and has been since 1852. Reading along it said the

average number of ''Shots Fired'' over these last 165 years 2.7 rounds..

Using that information leads me to the conclusion l have enough rounds

in my little Centennial Model for TWO gunfights before having to reload.

 

[ExcitableBoy]

Boys, boys, boys... play nice, now.

I think I'll just start carrying one of each and make everyone happy.

Oops! Now I've got to pick which ones to pair, and which rigs to use... Sorry, I guess I didn't think it through far enough. My choices would be sure to get someone riled up.

 

[gman51]

A lot of people new to guns for protection or just because they might be banned bought the latest craze going which was the semi auto. Many of those guns probably are still in their original boxes in some drawer.

In most cases a person that might get involved in the less than 1% chance they will need a handgun will not be involved in a situation that they need more than 1 or 2 rounds either. Also like some said the semi auto might only have 2 or 3 more rounds loaded than a revolver anyway.

I started out with semi autos but now they sit in the safe while I carry a 44 special five shot revolver. Most personal attacks where a gun might be needed are usually up close not across a street shoot out. I would say the average person involved in a shooting situation would be up close and lucky to get one round shot off let alone have the time to shoot 8 times. Facts are things aren't like in the movies.

 

[silversnake]

I love revolvers, but I do think the 5 shot snub nose is getting eclipsed by the plethora of small and reliable 380 and 9mm.

The main reason for the 5 shot snub was pocket sized reliability. There was a time when reliable small autos were few and far between. Today, the newer small autos are very reliable.

Also, 5-6 rounds may not be enough today. Multiple attackers, terrorists with rifles, and mass public shooters with long arms are a real possibility. When the 5 shot snub was popular, a good guy was most likely going to up against bad guys with revolvers. Now, bad guys will have 18 shot pistols at a minimum.

You can find many cases of police officers (both on and off duty) and armed citizens who either died or lost a gunfight due to running their 5-6 shot wheelguns dry. Many of these situations were much like what a private citizen might face (mall shooting or the like).

7-9 rounds of 380 or 9mm, with a fast reload, beats 5 shots of 38 and a slow reload.

Could you please link to these armed citizens who died because their revolvers ran out of ammo? My reload is going to be to grab another snubby, hopefully that won't take too long.

 

[Smurfjones0796]

Everyone have different tastes. There are a lot of people who enjoy revolvers and feel comfortable shooting them. I have 3 daughters all of them choose a revolver over a semi auto (they hate loading magazines) In conclusion no the single stack hasn't killed the revolver because not everyone likes the same things.

 

[pvq]

It's funny that I happened upon this thread just this morning. I am a 30 year law enforcement veteran who up until about 10 years ago carried a J frame or equivalent (most recently a Ruger LCR) revolver daily. More recently I've carried all sorts of compact and single stack 40's, 9mm's and pocket 380's, but lately, I've been longing to return to my roots. Just yesterday I picked up a 642-2. I would have preferred a -1...but -2 was what was available so I opted to just disable the lock. I was very happy with my LCR, but I like the option of using the DeSantis Lip Grip (unavailable for the LCR) which I believe is the PERFECT IWB solution for a J-Frame revolver. I also think that there is no better ECD for ankle carry than a revolver since even the slimmest of 9mm's print more through dress pant legs due to the blockier design. I don't think the "J" frame is going anywhere anytime soon.....

 

[Old cop]

The one advantage the revolver has, especially a super light J like the 340PD, is weight. To date no 9MM has come out that is as light as this model revolver. I pocket carry b/c of back & hip problems and aside from the LCP, the 340PD (about the same weight) is my choice for EDC.

 

[S&WsRsweet]

Never met a J frame I couldn't shoot well even with hotter loads never met a small auto that I can shoot well with the exception of the Walter PPK but I guess it doesn't count as a small auto anymore .The small auto pistol has been around for years but now the gun companies have the technology to go to a 9mm round the only problem is shooting that slim light easy to conceal but hard to control small auto .Take the place of the small revolver lol no get traded in on a small revolver very likely .

 

[ejjeff]

Not for this old guy or his wife and daughter, but I suspect the younger generation may go the semi route for the most part. My son did as did my son-in-law.

 

[BAM-BAM]

IMHO and that's all it is; my opinion...............................

No.......

That said; I've carried a single stack 9mm 3913/NL or 3914 95% of the time since about 1990......................

I also own and carry a 3" 66 and 65 along with a couple of 2 and 3 inch J-frames..................mostly woods/cabin/country carry.

the small revolver has survived 27 years of compact single stack 9mm autos being available......my guess is they will survive at least till we can get a........ phaser set on stun!

Today we just have more options............................ not a bad thing IMHO!!!

 

[Coaltminer]

Did the Single Stack 9mm Kill the Carry Revolver

One more post. I've been using the same range about once a week for 35 years and have never seen anyone shooting a J frame or Colt snubby. Amazing

 

[silversnake]

One more post. I've been using the same range about once a week for 35 years and have never seen anyone shooting a J frame or Colt snubby. Amazing

It's similar where I shoot. Almost nobody has a revolver, about the only time I see one is when one of the instructors is teaching handgun basics and has a student take a few shots with a revolver.

I won't say what he's shooting but the trigger on his revolver is so bad I'd be amazed if any of his students ever wants to shoot one again.

 

[g8rb8]

I am an engineer by education but my wife is the more logical of the two of us. Now that I have that kicked that nugget of information out there, here goes my story. I have taken my wife shooting handguns a number of times but this year she decided she wanted her very own home defense gun. She wanted to look at the various options again so I got out a Kahr CM9, a Glock and P series SIG along with a S&W M60 and a Ruger Security Six from the safe. I explain the manual of arms for all of them and showed her how to load and shoot all of them. This took a while and to be fair, she couldn't rack the slide on the Kahr by herself. At the end of this exercise she looked at me and asked why anyone would chose an autoloader for self defense. We then drove to the local gun shop and she purchased a new M67. This is a very nice shooting gun by the way.

I observed a similar interesting experience with a 21 year old female who was able to experience a wide variety of semi-autos and revolvers. Wise beyond her years with one post-graduate degree and now in law school, she picked a 4" .38 special M&P from the late 1940's with an action smooth as butter.

Women are the more intelligent of the species ....... according to my wife ..........and my observations tend to support that notion.

 

[American1776]

Could you please link to these armed citizens who died because their revolvers ran out of ammo? My reload is going to be to grab another snubby, hopefully that won't take too long.

I used the term, 'either died or lost the gunfight'. Here are some examples:

1) Massad Ayoob collects many of these cases. Rich Davis, the man who invented second chance vests, took a bullet to the guts after emptying his 6 shot wheelgun at three armed thugs, hitting three of them multiple times.

2) Here's the case of Jason Hendrix (off duty, in a shopping center). He had a 5 shot S&W model 36, the suspect had a Glock 17. Hendrix shot the suspect 4 times out of five, twice hitting him in the chest, and then his gun went dry. The suspect shot Hendrix in the face, guts, arm, pelvis, and tried to execute him as he laid on the ground. Shots Fired: Palm Desert, California 03•30•1996 - Article - POLICE Magazine

3) The death of NJSP trooper Lamonaco prompted the dept. to switch from 6 shot 357 magnums to the 9 shot HK P7M8. Lamonaco was shot by environmental terrorists who wielded browning hi-powers against the trooper's 6 shot revolver.

4) The ISP switched to the S&W model 39 (8 shot 9mm). In that time period, there were at least one, if not a few, cases where troopers would have certainly died if all they had were the 6 shot wheelguns. There was one case where the suspect counted 6 shots from the trooper's pistol, and after the sixth, charged the trooper with his shotgun. The trooper shot the suspect with his last few rounds. The suspect told his attorney he swore the cop's gun was empty.

5) There's the case in California, where at least one trooper was killed after his K-frame magnum ran dry. When he took the knee to reload, the suspect executed him with a 9mm before the trooper could close the cylinder.

That's just five that I remember off hand. there are many more cases where 5-6 were not enough.

 

[Arik]

l read somewhere years ago that New York City keeps detailed records of

gunfights in the city and has been since 1852. Reading along it said the

average number of ''Shots Fired'' over these last 165 years 2.7 rounds..

Using that information leads me to the conclusion l have enough rounds

in my little Centennial Model for TWO gunfights before having to reload.

Then all you really need is a Derringer

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[haywood]

Small Semi-Autos may be more popular but, the Snub Revolver will still live in many pockets and waist bands forever. The Semi-Auto guys just haven't discovered what they are missing. Give it time.........

 

[silversnake]

I used the term, 'either died or lost the gunfight'. Here are some examples:

1) Massad Ayoob collects many of these cases. Rich Davis, the man who invented second chance vests, took a bullet to the guts after emptying his 6 shot wheelgun at three armed thugs, hitting three of them multiple times.

2) Here's the case of Jason Hendrix (off duty, in a shopping center). He had a 5 shot S&W model 36, the suspect had a Glock 17. Hendrix shot the suspect 4 times out of five, twice hitting him in the chest, and then his gun went dry. The suspect shot Hendrix in the face, guts, arm, pelvis, and tried to execute him as he laid on the ground. Shots Fired: Palm Desert, California 03•30•1996 - Article - POLICE Magazine

3) The death of NJSP trooper Lamonaco prompted the dept. to switch from 6 shot 357 magnums to the 9 shot HK P7M8. Lamonaco was shot by environmental terrorists who wielded browning hi-powers against the trooper's 6 shot revolver.

4) The ISP switched to the S&W model 39 (8 shot 9mm). In that time period, there were at least one, if not a few, cases where troopers would have certainly died if all they had were the 6 shot wheelguns. There was one case where the suspect counted 6 shots from the trooper's pistol, and after the sixth, charged the trooper with his shotgun. The trooper shot the suspect with his last few rounds. The suspect told his attorney he swore the cop's gun was empty.

5) There's the case in California, where at least one trooper was killed after his K-frame magnum ran dry. When he took the knee to reload, the suspect executed him with a 9mm before the trooper could close the cylinder.

That's just five that I remember off hand. there are many more cases where 5-6 were not enough.

Other than Mr. Davis every case involves LEOs, not armed citizens...I agree there are cases where 5-6 rounds were not enough, but unlike a state trooper, I don't have to stick around to apprehend a bad guy.

Look at the story of Jason Hendrix for example, he hears a disturbance at the front of Wal-Mart and goes to resolve the situation. Me? I'll walk out the back door and not feel an iota of guilt.

 

[Arik]

Other than Mr. Davis every case involves LEOs, not armed citizens...I agree there are cases where 5-6 rounds were not enough, but unlike a state trooper, I don't have to stick around to apprehend a bad guy.

Look at the story of Jason Hendrix for example, he hears a disturbance at the front of Wal-Mart and goes to resolve the situation. Me? I'll walk out the back door and not feel an iota of guilt.

Just like the case where a lady shot her intruder 5 times with a J frame and nothing happened. Luckily for her, he didn't know she was out of ammo and decided to leave instead of getting shot a 6th time

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[American1776]

Other than Mr. Davis every case involves LEOs, not armed citizens...I agree there are cases where 5-6 rounds were not enough, but unlike a state trooper, I don't have to stick around to apprehend a bad guy.

Look at the story of Jason Hendrix for example, he hears a disturbance at the front of Wal-Mart and goes to resolve the situation. Me? I'll walk out the back door and not feel an iota of guilt.

There are times when running away are not an option. The Hendrix case could have happened to any one of us, LEO or not, given slightly different details at the outset. Had this not been a domestic, but the suspect was a mass shooter, we may be forced to return fire to protect ourselves and our dependents. I have a three year old daughter. I cannot run away from a firefight the same way I could if I were alone.

Explaining away these cases by saying 'That won't happen to me, because I'll just run away', doesn't address the real issue at hand: When you are forced to defend yourself and family, 5-6 rounds *may not be enough*.

 

[Watchdog]

This whole article really doesn't say anything or prove any kind of a point one way or another, and how many times have we heard this question asked in one form or another?

It's simply another "analysis" or opinion piece written by just another Internet blogger "gun writer" who really reaches no kind of definite conclusion. We've seen thousands of articles like this. This author brings his article to a close by basically saying it's up to the individual as to which gun he chooses. Insert huge yawn here_______________.

There is absolutely nothing new here, and really not one original thought in the whole thing. I don't think there's anything in the article that's going to make anyone here change their mind about their carry weapon of choice.

We've had better and more knowledgeable thoughts on this subject written by members of this forum.

Matter of fact, this little article isn't even about whether or not the single stack has doomed the revolver to extinction.
All it is is just another comparison piece...revolver vs. semi-auto. It actually sounds like a similar article written by the same guy wherein he talks about small semi-auto pistols.

Articles like this one bore the bejesus out of me. Makes me want to go back to bed and take a nap. Probably the best idea I've had all morning.