DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

More often than not these days I carry my 649. Depending on where I go, I may grab my 3913 or Sig Ultra Compact. So, no, the revolver is not dead here. It is alive and doing well, surviving proudly as my normal choice when I leave the house. Through the years I have carried quite a few different pieces. I am now 'older', and quite comfortable with a 649.... Now, that said, if the poopie hits the fan, it is still going with me, but likely as a BUG....
 
Did the Single-Stack Nine Kill the Carry Revolver?
by Kevin Creighton - Friday, March 24, 2017

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"DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?"

Yes, at least it did a number on the CONCEALED CARRY revolver, such as the J frame.

Larger autos had already done the same to duty sized revolvers.

There will always be some who carry the J frame for various reasons, but for the most part, I doubt it will ever become preeminent again in the concealed carry market.
 
I carried a 4" .357 revolver for the last half of my career, and it was my CCW for a long time thereafter. I have always had a J frame around someplace as well. Events of the last few years have convinced me, however, that it is no longer "a revolver world" when you are out and about. I recognize that possibilities are not the same as probabilities, and I do not drive an MRAP to the grocery store. But I can upgrade my personal weaponry with less fuss, and have chosen to do so.

Even in these screwy times a J frame will likely suffice for most situations. Then, again, it may not. Like everybody else, I had to go Glock 19 to see if it was perfect for me. I tried; I now favor a lightly modded BHP that I shoot pretty well and carries even better. It's the most reliable firearm I own. Two 15 round mags give me six times the ammo of a J frame, which I like. Even though it's a steel pistol, in a minimalist belt slide I personally find it less burdensome than a 442 in a pocket holster was. Maybe that's just me.

I know about single stack 9s, but for the additional one or two rounds capacity I don't want to give up wheelgun reliability. Small semi autos don't seem to run as well as bigger stuff.

I've been impressed by the .45 Shield, but I'm almost convinced that a modern 9mm load is enough.

Still got a soft spot for that 4" .357, though...
 
I wouldn't say killed it, but at the current time its the popular option. Subcompact auto's and mouse guns sell like crazy right now. And the responses I see are what I'd expect for this question posed in a revolver forum full of those with a full on interest in revolvers as well.

But it all goes in cycles. Remember when .40 cal was the new rage? So much better than a 9mm. Bridges the gap from 9 to 45. Yeah, thats over. Can't give a .40 away right now, and is it any different than it was 15yrs ago when it was everyone's new "have to have"? Eventually it will swing again, and you won't be able to give away those pocket 9's either.

I have the worst of the bunch. A shield in .40. A caliber that nobody wants anymore in a compact size. Got it over a Smith snubnose because I knew the kids couldn't rack the slide on it where as they could likely get the trigger back on a wheel gun. Now they're old enough that it doesn't matter so much and here I am with this little fireplug of a plastic pistol wishing it was made of steel and turned when you pulled the trigger.
 
Despite what the many fan boys here say (and yes, I'm a revolver fan too), while the single stack didn't kill the revolver, it was the beginning of it's demise. Double stacks are what really brought about the revolver's death, at least as far as law enforcement is concerned. For every officer today carrying a revolver, including plain clothes, I'd bet there are 1,000 carrying semi autos with double stack magazines. I'd also bet that no service personnel have carried a revolver since Vietnam. Even the venerable J frame is seldom seen among either of these two groups of people.
 
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i'am sure $200 shields don't help the wheel guns cause, but I tend to agree, for me anyway, a nine shot shield is a better choice then a 5/6 round revolver, just from price point alone.
 
I am an engineer by education but my wife is the more logical of the two of us. Now that I have that kicked that nugget of information out there, here goes my story. I have taken my wife shooting handguns a number of times but this year she decided she wanted her very own home defense gun. She wanted to look at the various options again so I got out a Kahr CM9, a Glock and P series SIG along with a S&W M60 and a Ruger Security Six from the safe. I explain the manual of arms for all of them and showed her how to load and shoot all of them. This took a while and to be fair, she couldn't rack the slide on the Kahr by herself. At the end of this exercise she looked at me and asked why anyone would chose an autoloader for self defense. We then drove to the local gun shop and she purchased a new M67. This is a very nice shooting gun by the way.
 
Our agency issues the Glock 23 (.40), the Narcotics guys wanted something smaller for their assignments and asked the chief for the Glock 43. From what I hear from those in Narcotics they really like the 43 and find it easy to qualify with. The reason I still prefer a revolver is b/c they are so much lighter than any single stack 9MM and weight is important to me due to back & hip problems.
 
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IMHO... The "single stack" 9mm did not kill anything. Yes, It took a huge bite from the amount of revolvers being used for EDC, but there are still lots of snubbies floating around the streets. Probably a lot more than you would think.

IMHO, yeah, I'm full of... Opinions... The snub-nosed revolver is like Harley-Davidson. There are more modern, cheaper alternatives that might perform better, but the snubbie has a dedicated fan base of older guys that grew up with them and will always have one in the collection. There are also a lot of younger people that "get it", realizing the snubbie does what it was designed to do VERY WELL.

Simply put... Harley-Davidson is not going anywhere, and neither is the snubbie.

Some days the Shield 9 gets duty, some days the PD340 with 5 x .357 gets the call. This time of year, it's the PD340 nine times out of ten.
 
No. A revolver still has, in most instances, a reliability edge and no sweat if the round doesn't light off, pull the trigger again.

Not even a G29 can equal the 610 ft lb punch of my Ruger SP101 using Buffalo Bore 158gr JHPs and the smaller cross section adds even more to barrier pentration issues. Don
 
In a sense I split the difference with a Kahr 9CM. 16oz, good sights, smoooth double action at 6lbs and a 3 second reload.

Very accurate, very accurate and 300 smackers out the door. Hides easier than a J Frame.
 

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Revolvers are simple, easy to use and, nearly idiot proof. As an LEO firearms instructor, I discovered it was much easier to train new hires on a revolver rather than a self loader. A semi-auto requires regular practice which, may or may not be available. I did carry a 1911 in the twilight years of my patrol work and shot it weekly. With that said, I always, always had a J frame second gun in my boot.

Texas Ranger Frank Hamer was quizzed about carrying a revolver and his reply was "Well if I needed more than five rounds, I wouldn't be very good at law enforcing".
 
It's still is, and always will be, hitting what you shoot AT. Carry whatever you feel comfortable with and practice. I carry a dink 380 Bodyguard which is better than anything I used to carry, which was NOTHING. It's a blast to shoot and it goes everywhere and is smaller than most wallets. I just pray I never have to use it, but I'm prepared. Friend has an LCP and has never fired it.
 
Everybody has an opinion, as well as a personal preference. So do I! I am an old revolver carrier and user. I have several, and among them are my favorite guns. I had little use for a semi auto for many years. When the striker fired semi autos appeared, I began to look at them more closely. The mode of operation as far as drawing, shooting by just pressing the trigger, and reholstering was little different from my revolvers. The semi's allowed easier carry and slightly faster reloading capabilities than did my revolvers, although by this time, I could reload my revolver faster from my loop loader on my service belt faster than most folks could imagine.

After I quit wearing the Sam Browne belt for a living and wore civilian clothing all the time, a six round loop loader on a belt slide was about the best I could manage, and those six rounds were pretty obvious! My first experience with a striker fired gun was a glock. Could not abide the shape and angle of the grip. I also had little use for revolver grips that did not fit my hand well because none of us can shoot their best with a gun that does not fit their hands well. I even flirted strongly with the 1911 platform during this time. My head was NOT programmed to manipulate the thumb safety as a part of bringing the gun into action. NOT GOOD! Yes, enough shooting and training could have changed that, but I was old enough and so set in my ways that I did not elect to put myself through that process. I tried several other striker and hammer fired DAO semi autos. I owned an S&W 4586 that was a dandy gun in all respects. But it was too big and heavy to carry and conceal every day. I tried others with out warming up to them. I bought a good used M&P 9MM fulled sized semi auto. I really liked it too, but it is a large gun to carry every day. I continued to carry my revolvers, vascillating between a Model 640-1 J Frame and two or three of my K Frames with 2.5" or 3" barrels.

Then one day I had a chance to hold, handle, shoot and carry a Shield 9MM. My friend, the owner, allowed me to carry it for a few days. I was very impressed, so I bought one and started carrying it some as well as continuing to shoot it regularly to discover how reliable it was. At some point, I began to carry it regularly. It was easier in some ways to carry than my revolvers. With 8 +1 rounds in the gun and a single 8 round mag on my belt, I had about the same number of cartridges as I did with my K Frames and two reloads and more than the J Frame with two reloads. The semi auto reloads were more readily accessible than my revolver reloads and were easier to conceal. The Shield was also flatter and lighter than my steel framed revolvers. And I could shoot it as well or better than my revolvers.

Now what I am telling you is my own experience. I don't say it does or should mirror your experience. It took me a long time to admit that I could find no good reason not to carry the Shield other than my personal preference for the revolvers. I can say honestly that I now own two of the 9MM Shields )one is my wife's). I have also bought into the Shield .45. That one has made the difference for me. I have not carried either my revolvers or my 9MM Shield since. I am perfectly comfortable carrying +P .38 Special or good 9MM premium ammo for my personal protection needs, but I like the bigger heavier bullets very much.

I have fired thousands of rounds through the Shields as well as a full sized M&P9 and M&P 45. I have not had one personal experience that has diminished my full faith and confidence in any of them. At this point, I trust them as much as my beloved revolvers. And I can carry as much or more ammo for the semi's as the revolvers more easily and reload them more quickly. And I can carry the semi autos more comfortably as well.
So my revolvers get shot at the range and stand by for back up or house guns and occasional sentimental carry. But my EDC is the Shield45.

For me, the old argument about the reliability issues between a good revolver and a good striker fired semi auto are moot. Everything we do and every choice we make involves compromises. And for me the additional rounds, the ease of carry of both the gun and the extra ammo, and the speed and ease of quickly reloading the semi's have tipped my scales slightly in favor of them. If I couldn't shoot them well, they'd be gone by now. I can, at least as well as I can shoot these days. If my britches or even short pants are on me, so is my EDC, and with few exceptions, that will be the Shield45 these days. I have looked hard and long, and I personally find no reason to change that at this point.

I'm not saying what you should do, except that you should carry what you like and can carry the easiest and what you shoot the best. I will not carry either platform if there is a question in my mind about the platform or the specific gun. My Shields are as they came from the factory, well broken in and smoothed and slicked up by lots of rounds down the pipe. They are my current choice and will be as long as I have this confidence in them. But I haven't and don't intend to get rid of my revolvers either, because I have the same confidence in them. Actually, I'm kind of in hog heaven here. What's not to like? I think a man ought to carry what he likes the best IF he can do good work with it and if he trusts it. That's the best advice I can give. You gotta work that out for yourselves! My story is what has worked out for me, and over a pretty long period of time. I ain't lookin' for anything else today for EDC or personal protection. Am I still looking? Yeah, but mostly only at older fine S&W revolvers!!! I've got all the semi's that I need .... but in my world, there is definitely room for both platforms!
 
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YES

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Or do you win because you have more J-frames?

Seriously, I don't personally think single stack 9mms "killed" the carry revolver, but posting up a picture of your vast collection with the word "NO" does not somehow automatically vindicate your position.
 
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It definitely put it on the ropes, though I think the LCP sized guns were a bigger factor.

I shoot at least once a week on an indoor range. I haven't seen a revolver (other than mine) there in months.

I have to do a geezer qualification once a year for LEOSA. You'd think it would be a bastion for revolvers, but last time my Detective Special and another old coot's Model 60 were the only ones there.

Here in the echo chamber revolvers are still relevant. Out in the world I think its a different story.
 
I love revolvers, but I do think the 5 shot snub nose is getting eclipsed by the plethora of small and reliable 380 and 9mm.

The main reason for the 5 shot snub was pocket sized reliability. There was a time when reliable small autos were few and far between. Today, the newer small autos are very reliable.

Also, 5-6 rounds may not be enough today. Multiple attackers, terrorists with rifles, and mass public shooters with long arms are a real possibility. When the 5 shot snub was popular, a good guy was most likely going to up against bad guys with revolvers. Now, bad guys will have 18 shot pistols at a minimum.

You can find many cases of police officers (both on and off duty) and armed citizens who either died or lost a gunfight due to running their 5-6 shot wheelguns dry. Many of these situations were much like what a private citizen might face (mall shooting or the like).

7-9 rounds of 380 or 9mm, with a fast reload, beats 5 shots of 38 and a slow reload.
 
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