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Collo Rosso

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Didn't want to highjack another thread, but a comment was made not many have confidence in a digital scale. I'll say I do! Evidently cheap strain gauges (the heart of a digital scale) have come a long way in the last 5 years or so.
When I started reloading I picked up a MTM pocket digital for all of $20. Seemed to work fine as long as the batteries weren't run down. Bought as set of test weights and found that little MTM spot on. After awhile I came across a new in the box Lyman (Ohaus) M5 beam scale. Very nice scale but missed the ease of use of the digital. 2 or 3 years ago bought a Hornady LNL bench scale and it has been flawless. Calibrate and zero every time I turn it on, then randomly weigh a test weight and it's never off.
I'm not alone on this, am I?
 
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I have been successfully using an OHaus beam scale for 45 years of reloading. Two years ago I bought an inexpensive digital scale. It sucks!

It shows inconsistent results from drop to drop, plus even if I weight the SAME charge over and over. It won't even show consistent results with test weights either.

I threw it out.

BTW, I am a laboratory chemist that has been using precise scales and balances for 50+ years, so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. OTOH, maybe the one I bought was just too cheap.
 
I used mechanical scales for years until RCBS came out with their first eclectronic scale. I bought one and have never looked back. I agree that if you get a cheap electronic scale you are extremely lucky if it works correctly. But I and my friends have now used several RCBS electronic scales over the years and have never had a problem with any of them. I use check weights before and after each reloading session and they are always dead on with the check weight.
 
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If the digital scale was of good quality and accurate for the use of weighing powder, I could see myself using one.

However, your average digital scales are not the best quality, and often have a +-.02 accuracy. That is too much room when it comes to precise measure of powder in my opinion.

I have the RCBS 10-10 beam scale and use it exclusively. I just set it for the weight needed then adjust the Uni-Flow to throw that charge. It is as quick as sitting a dish down.

I have a digital scale, and tried it before to see if I could get accurate results. Let's just say I would not trust it.

Hey, if you have a good digital though, and it is consistently accurate, then more power to you. It all comes down to what works for you.
 
I don't know about older ones, but I bought a Hornady 1500 last year for under $40 and it seems very consistent. Haven't run the batteries down yet, but it gives very repeatable results and seems to weigh my test weights spot on every time.
 
Collo Rosso
Nice of you not hijacking that thread.

I guess you are talking about my comment.

First off I would really like to have a digital scale that I could trust.

I bought a real nice Lyman digital with the trickler for $149 when I first started off years ago.

I really liked it until I found out it was just a random number generator.

I found out that it could be off from +.4 grains to -.4 grains.
I sent it back to Lyman (at 3 months old) - they said it was fine - for me to just wipe it off with a rag and anti-static spray.

So I tested it. I have 3 beam scales that I can get to agree on a test weight. The digital sometimes is dead on sometimes not. I would have no clue when its right or wrong for a powder charge unless I compared it to one of my beam scales.

I searched and traded posts with many on this forum in an attempt to find a good replacement. Some had digital scales 10 years and claimed they were always dead on - but they also noted they didn't make them the same anymore. Most said to just use a balance beam.

If anyone has an accurate one I'd like to know about it - but I'd want at least a 10 year replacement warranty.
Hornady only gives a 1 year warranty on their electronic devices.

I do not have to use a scale for too long during a reloading session much anymore. I purchased a Redding 10x Competition Powder Measure and it has a micrometer metering device that I can record settings for different powders - different charge weights. All it takes is a few throws onto the scale to know the powder measure is set-up correctly. I've learned to trust this powder measure.
 
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I have a Dillon digital scale, about 4 years old. I can weigh the same charge several times and the result will differ. So for handgun reloading I went back to the RCBS 505. For rifle charges which are near 60 grains, I use the Dillon as it seems consistent enough for the bigger drops.
 
I use a Dillon Eliminator Balance Beam. It is OHAUS and pretty much the same as the RCBS I bought an expensive electronic from the company below but rarely use it.

If folks want a electronic scale the one I see recommended on another forum by folks who are in the know is the :

Gem Pro 250 it has 0.02 grain resolution

30 year warranty should be long enough:D

My Weigh GemPro 250... with FREE<br />Electronic Interference Suppressor
 
For ~$710 Canadian (~$530 US) the A&D FX120i is a mag force restoration scale that will make you put away the beam scales.

For ~$125, the GemPro 250 is likely the best (known/reported) performing strain gauge scale. You'll need to eliminate fluorescent lights and all other RF noise (and almost anything that transmits), but it can perform fairly consistently. It does not trickle well, however.

Other than that, there are the beam scales. Just my experience, obviously don't know all the scales (other than the above) firsthand.
 
Collo Rosso

First off I would really like to have a digital scale that I could trust.



If anyone has an accurate one I'd like to know about it - but I'd want at least a 10 year replacement warranty.

This is what I use, it has a lifetime warranty. I've had mine for a couple of years and every time I check it, it's accurate. It has provision for battery or outlet power. I've never installed batteries. I also don't use it if my 6hp compressor is running.
My previous scales were the typical (fill in the brand) cheap digital that only used batteries and they were ok if the batteries were brand new. I also have an old Ohaus scale that I've had since the '60s as backup. BrianEnos.com Pro-digital Powder Scale

Edit: looks like this is the same as the Gem Pro previously mentioned. Except this has a lifetime warranty, but 30 years is pretty much past my lifetime anyway.
 
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I have the RCBS charge master 1500.. Love it. Fast and accurate and holds zero perfectly.

I also have a cheap battery powered hornady digital scale that came with a kit... Piece of junk, not accurate, doesn't hold zero, doesn't weigh the same charge 2x in a row the same.

Basically with digital scales I think you get what you pay for and if you go sub $100 in the digital scales that isnt much.
 
I also have found that inexpensive digital scales can fail to be trustworthy. But I have the RCBS ChargeMaster scale/dispenser combo that I check occasionally with my RCBS/Ohaus triple-beam scale and it is spot-on each time.

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However, the small digital scale in the foreground of that photo proved unreliable and went to a landfill years ago. On the other hand, another similar scale that was sent to me as a gift from a company has proven very reliable so you never know.

All you can do is try one and return it if it doesn't perform to to your satisfaction.

Ed
 
I have a 30 Dollar Frankfort Arsenal digital scale and it is accurate when first turned on and zeroed. However, after a period of about 45 seconds the Zero setting starts to drift. While I haven't spent any time plotting the drift on a graph my general impression is that this drift is in a Sinusoidal pattern, a type of behavior that is VERY typical for electronic circuits. The reason I don't trust my cheap digital scale is not that the zero drifts, it is that I have seen the zero drift by as much as 1/2 grain. That is IMO an amount that might be acceptable in a heavier Rifle charge of 40 grains or more but a bit hazardous in a Handgun charge only weighing in at 4 grains. So, I rely on an old fashioned mechanical beam scale to give me repeatable results and only use that cheap digital to confirm bullet weights or that I've set my beam scale correctly.
 
Dillon digital, but have Scott Parker "tuned" 10-10 scales, work great and no complaints/

-Snoopz
 
Lyman for me, no problem other than rarely utilize because it is slow. I tend to only use when testing new powder and loads, easy enough to cancel and click in new load data, away you go.
I purchased a Hornady progressive press with their powder drop setup and find it to be very accurate, I really like this setup for cranking out rounds.
 
I use a digital jewelers scale I bought on ebay several years ago. It has worked wonderfully...measures to .01gr.
 
I tried a couple cheaper elec scales under $100, pure krap. They Drift, don't hold zero, pretty useless imo. I have been using a Dillon for about 10yrs,always spot on, never drifts. The rcbs is also good as is the upper end Hornady. Suspect anything under $100, see scooter's post.
 
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For pistol a beam scale is fine check once and dump away. Small batches of rifle, ok too. Large quantities of rifle it's too time consuming. Dillon digital and a powder trickler was a big improvement. But, the Chargemaster Combo was the answer. Warm it up and it checks out every time. I've had it a couple of years now.
BTW, the fluorescent lights don't bother the scale. Perhaps due to the fact that I changed the ballasts from magnetic to electronic.
 
I have a AWS Gemini 20. I double check loads between this and RCBS Beam. I have found the Gemini to be so accurate a tiny dribble of powder shows up. If even a speck gets hung up somewhere it will find it.
 
My primary scale is Frankfort Arsenal that I got on sale for under $20. My test weights and Ohaus 1010 say it is trustworthy.
I've owned 2 much more expensive digital scales that required continual re calibration and would not hold zero for extended periods of time. I couldn't be happier with the cheap little Frankfort Arsenal scale and I guess many have turned to them since the price of them has almost doubled over the last few years.
 
My Cabela's scale is wonderful after it warms up. Accurate, repeatable and a good value. Have checked it against Metler high price scales and check weights and it comes in on top of them.
 
I bought a Gem-Pro two years ago, the first thing I found out was that it didn't like trickling, the second thing I found out was that it wouldn't weigh the same weight more than once and give the same value.

I returned it.

I guess I got a lemon, but I decided not to chance getting another one.

My Chargemaster works just fine, and I cross check with my 1010 and check weights.

I also have a Micro Touch 1500 that I bought just for weighing bullets n cases n such, and the foolish little thing surprised me with how well it works, must have got a good one.

I have four scales and I cross check them against each other frequently.
 
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Digital scales are a hot topic on every reloading forum you go to. Guys love them and hate them. Beam scales aren't infallible, but they aren't affected by some of the things that can affect digital scales. Digital scales can be effected by battery vs AC adapter use because the adapters have to step the voltage from 120 down to 5 to 9 volts and change it from AC to DC. This process leaves a DC voltage that isn't as clean as battery can provide, especially if the adapter is cheaply made. Also, the adapters can be affected by voltage fluctuations. Very few power companies provide AC at a steady 120 volt average, and the adapter has to be able handle these fluctuations too. And you can't get a cheap electronic scale without a cheap adapter. The electronics in an electronic scale can also be affected by outside electric/magnetic fields, such as those created by the ballasts in fluorescent lighting fixtures. Again, this shows up more in cheap scales, but some higher priced can be affected too. Another problem area with electronic scales are how the scale's platform is mounted in conjunction to the electrical components used to measure and determine the weight. For example, the Dillon scale I have has four plastic posts that are used to transfer the weight from the platform to the inside of the scale. Moving a weight around on the platform will change the weight reading. One last item that will effect an electronic scale is air currents, even those created by the reloader him/herself moving. Because of magnetic dampening, beam scales are less susceptible to these currents.

If all this sounds like I dislike digital scales, let me say I don't. By understanding what can cause them to have problems, you can mitigate those problems. Eliminating the first few problems should be pretty obvious: avoid cheap scales. I've found the same advice holds true in other cheap digital products such as digital micrometers or the popular calibers. These aforementioned products may be close enough for some purposes, such as determining a bolt diameter, but for close work, quality pays, it doesn't cost. That's especially true when we're talking about powder charges. Consistency is a key when using any scale, and electronic units can especially benefit from this. Make sure the scale is level. Avoid placing it anywhere there are vibrations, like next to your press, or air currents, like near a ventilation duct. Again, beam scales are magnetically dampened, so these vibrations and currents will have less effect on them. Check the scale before use with a weight that is as close to the weight you plan to measure. RCBS makes a set of weights that are handy for this. And place charges consistently on the same place of the scale's platform each time. Following these tips will help ensure accuracy of any scale, but are more important for electronic than beam units.
 
I use an RCBS range master 750 digital scale that has always been spot on. I believe it's now discontinued though. With any electronics, let them warm up before you calibrate. The 750 will run on batteries also for portability.

For beams, I use a hornady beam scale. Pretty accurate but I made up a couple tiny teflon inserts that I place between the walls of the scale body and the balance beam, 1 on each side. They keep it centered and makes it very accurate. Thing with using beams is you need to always have your viewpoint the same each time. A little up or down and you read it differently.

In either case, I always throw a tenth or two short and then trickle in to finale.
 
That's news......

That's news about the MTM digital. I'm still of the mind that if you want a digital you'd better get a good one, usable scales starting at $79 on up (and up) so I haven't been able to fork out the dough for now.

When I had access to very fine laboratory scales (a rep came in once a month to check all of the scales in the lab) they were a joy to use. They ran from about $500 to a couple of thousand.
 
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IMO, anyone having "good results" with a cheap FA or sim has been very lucky or you aren't using it enough to see the issues. Drift is the biggest deal with cheap scales, I know, have tried several under $50. Weigh a charge, then remove the pan, wait 15sec & weigh again. Do that 10x, if it is always the same, you are gtg. If that happens for under $100, buy lottery tickets.
 
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Ha Ha Ha Ha.....

Very few power companies provide AC at a steady 120 volt average, and the adapter has to be able handle these fluctuations too.

Oh man, if that's not an understatement. That's like saying that the very best apples don't go into applesauce. Motors here often labor due to the low voltage. When I travel and plug in my hair dryer it almost leaps from my hand because I'm used to it starting up at home with a pu-u-uu-u-u--u-r. I was buying air conditioners for my workplace and kept sending them back saying they were no good because they kept breaking down. I got suspicious and monitored the line. It was running mostly near 180 volts on a 220 line! I didn't tell the people that were supplying the A/Cs. I think power conditioning is a good idea on important electronics. Especially when dealing with gunpowder.


Ok, maybe this is thread drift, but I had to share.:D
 
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