Dimpled Replacement Mags, Shield 40

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Has anyone ordered mags for their Shield 40 from S&W lately? If so, are they the new style with dimpled mag catch cutouts? I need some mags but don't want to spend money on the original version.

My Shield 40 hasn't had any mag drops, but for peace of mind, I'd like to get the new mags. I dimpled the 6 round mag that came with the gun but the 7 round mag cracked when I attempted to mod it...

Ultimately, I'd like to have three of the new style 7 shot mags. Once I get those, the gun will get a crimson trace laser and I can start using it for carry. Until then, I'm on hold (and have been for some time).
 
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Peace of mind nothing, don't listen to the nonsense in here. Your shield hasn't had a problem. Keep your thumbs away from the mag release and you won't have a problem. If S&W sold "dimpled" mags, I'd be pissed as they wouldn't properly fit in my gun.
 
Peace of mind nothing, don't listen to the nonsense in here. Your shield hasn't had a problem. Keep your thumbs away from the mag release and you won't have a problem. If S&W sold "dimpled" mags, I'd be pissed as they wouldn't properly fit in my gun.

I agree with him.........My .40 hasnt given me a problem at all. I probably have a few thousand rounds through it at the moment. And after tomorrow i'll add another couple of hundred to it.
 
Forgive me BUT
why would you want to exchange mags if you have not had a mag drop problem? I have well 1,000 rounds with my shield 40 bought in May 2012 (and 9) without a single mag drop issue. I also doubt this is a problem. I would not risk returning mags that WORK maybe to get mags that malfunction. I guess in other words, Dont fix whats NOT broken
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Thanks for the opinions so far. My point is that since I need 3 seven round mags anyway, I might as well get the dimpled versions if they are available. My question was to find out if anyone had gotten the new style mags from stock. Anyone?
 
These prior posts seem to be from people that have never had the 40 mag drop issue. The way one was written, it sounds like they don't believe there was or is a mag drop problem, it was all operator error (shooters that are pressing the mag release button, while shooting).

What you are asking is a legitimate question. Even though you have not experienced a mag drop, if the dimpled mags solve the mag drop problem, then they would add an extra margin of safety to a gun that has not had the drop, as they hold the mags in more securely. I can't answer your question if S&W is shipping dimpled mags, as I have not ordered mags from S&W. I would also like to know the answer to that question.

I wrote a complaint letter to all S&W's top executives, back in August. I received an October dated letter from S&W's legal counsel, and they acknowledged what they called a "minor" mag drop issue. They called it a "fit issue". This letter went on to say that their engineers have now made improvements to the Shields from "field returns" which will "enhance the overall fit of the magazine well and magazine catch".

So for those of you that think it is an operator issue, you are WRONG. If you follow these threads, you will find that the vast majority of the mag drop issues are with the Shield 40. However it is documented that some Shield 9mm owners have also had the mag drop issue.

The known issue is that "some" Shields have excessive side to side play with the magazines inserted into the mag well. In the act of firing the gun, the magazine catch fails to hold the magazine in, and the magazine falls out. S&W wants to call it a minor issue, but who really knows what that number really is? Is it 100, 1000, or 10,000? Who really knows, other than S&W, and you know they are not going to release the figures. I asked S&W what is the final fix, for the mag drop issue, and did not get an answer. We do know the "dimpled/bumps" on the magazines was one fix. Others think they have had the magazine catch replaced, but are not sure.

Even though S&W's letter to me stated that they had "enhanced the overall fit", some people buying Shield 40's with the fired casing date of middle October and later, are still having the mag drop issues. So it is not totally fixed. I find it unbelievable that a company the size of S&W has not got on top of this issue. They are still selling defectives guns after five months of fixing defective Shields. My gun was shipped to S&W back in June.

Yes my Shield 40, which I purchased in late May, had the mag drop issue. S&W had me send the gun in for repair. They had my gun for seven weeks. They did nothing internally with my Shield, but returned the gun with the dimpled mags. This did fix my mag drop problem. My 40 is now a super concealed carry gun, now that it no longer drops the mags.

For those non-believers I can assure you there was a problem and it still exists on some Shield 40's with the test fired casing date up through at least mid October. I had the problem and sent off a letter to S&W's company executives. I got a reply from S&W's legal counsel. I doubt I would have received a reply from S&W that acknowledged there was a mag drop issue, if there was none. I doubt I would have received dimpled mags from S&W, if there was not a mag drop problem.

Bob
 
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Thanks, Bob!

Bob,
I just want to say your posts are always helpful and informative... I ran 400+ rounds through my Shield .40 with no mag drops and then the next 100 were drop after drop. Did I all of a sudden change my grip (or whatever)? Probably not. Sent it in and my mags came back dimpled. Shot 100+ rounds on Sunday without an issue.

Your posts made me realize it was probably not just me - now I have a gun that is working properly. And thanks to S&W for excellent customer service and a turn around of 10 days!
Doug
 
Bob,
I ran 400+ rounds through my Shield .40 with no mag drops and then the next 100 were drop after drop.


This type report is concerning for a defensive pistol. My Shield 40 has maybe 200 rounds thru it. If the dimpled mags ever become available as spares, they are what I'd prefer to go with. I may just shelf this gun until next Spring and see how it plays out. I'd rather carry an M&P40 in cold weather where concealment isn't and issue anyway.
 
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I have read other posts of people having no problems with their Shield 40's and then the gun starts dropping the mags. Something is wearing down to allow this to happen. I purchased my Shield and on the way home from the gun shop, I stopped along the road (out in the country) and fired off 5 shots. The mag dropped on #2, so I watched where my thumb was, and it dropped on #5, both with 6 round mag.

When I got home I saw the mag would drop with just a slight pressure on the release button. So again I thought I must have brushed against the release during recoil. A week later at the range I found it was the gun and not me. I knew I could make a fix with tape on the side of the mag, to hold it tight against the mag release, but it was a new gun and S&W should fix it right. I figured they would put a deeper holding mag release, but got the dimpled mags instead.

I wrote the letter to S&W because of issues like yours, where guns were working fine and then they started dropping the mags. My letter stated that all owners should be notified of the problem. Would S&W be libel if someone was injured or killed in a SD situation, if the mag dropped and S&W did not notify the owners. My letter also stated that the way S&W was handling this mag drop issue had " tarnished your reputation and questioned the reliability of the S&W line". S&W did not issue a notice to the Shield 40 owners. Not a good situation for a gun specifically designed for SD.

Bob
 
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I have read other posts of people having no problems with their Shield 40's and then the gun starts dropping the mags. Something is wearing down to allow this to happen. I purchased my Shield and on the way home from the gun shop, I stopped along the road (out in the country) and fired off 5 shots. The mag dropped on #2, so I watched where my thumb was, and it dropped on #5, both with 6 round mag.

When I got home I saw the mag would drop with just a slight pressure on the release button. So again I thought I must have brushed against the release during recoil. A week later at the range I found it was the gun and not me. I knew I could make a fix with tape on the side of the mag, to hold it tight against the mag release, but it was a new gun and S&W should fix it right. I figured they would put a deeper holding mag release, but got the dimpled mags instead.

I wrote the letter to S&W because of issues like yours, where guns were working fine and then they started dropping the mags. My letter stated that all owners should be notified of the problem. Would S&W be libel if someone was injured or killed in a SD situation, if the mag dropped and S&W did not notify the owners. My letter also stated that the way S&W was handling this mag drop issue had " tarnished your reputation and questioned the reliability of the S&W line". S&W did not issue a notice to the Shield 40 owners. Not a good situation for a gun specifically designed for SD.

Bob

You really have to push down on my mag release for the mag to drop. There is also a pronounced tactile and audible click when the mag is seated.
 
That is the problem. Some Shields are fine and then there are others that are not. S&W had or still has a manufacturing problem with tolerances. When they got it right, there were no problems with the magazine dropping out. When they got the tolerances over specs, then those guns had the mag drop problem. It would be a design issue, if all mags dropped. Since that is not the case, it is a manufacturing issue that not all guns tolerances meet the maximum allowed.

Bob
 
Trust

Bob
There is definitely a different feel and sound when inserting a mag compared to before the "repair". It is possible that S&W also replaced my mag release lever but I'm not sure. Trust? Not so much.

They stated that they replaced my mags but I installed a Talon grip on my Shield (which includes the extended mag) and the "replaced" mag still had the Talon grip tape on the mag. So I am supposed to believe they removed the Talon tape and applied it to the "replaced" mag. Trust? Well, no.

I will need to put another 500+ rounds through my Shield before I trust it. Trust S&W? Probably never at this point.

I do appreciate your work in getting S&W to handle this issue correctly. Maybe they will. We will see.

I plan on buying an AR-15 within the next 6 months. I was planning on one from S&W but now? No.

They have lost my trust...
 
On my 40, (its newer)

Looking down the mag well, the mag catch sticks out very far,
farther than I have seen with other pistols.

I think that this was part of their fix

I am nearing 200 rounds (vast majority through the extended mag)
And not a mag drop yet
 
Update on New Mags

My LGS ordered two new extended Shield 40 mags for me. I picked them up today. Can't tell any dimensional difference between them and the one that came with the gun. No dimples either... :( Oh well, my pistol hasn't dropped a mag yet, so I'll shoot it some more with the new mags and see how it does.
 
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New Mags Checked Good!

Put 75+ rounds thru the two new 7rd mags today. They were flawless. I did have one failure to extract but I think its an ammo issue (WW white box). The extractor grabbed the case but it appears that the brass was to soft or the pressure to high. That is the only bobble in approx 300-350 rds fired to date. The gun is accurate and reliable. The dimpled mags would have been good for peace of mind, but the proof is in the pudding. The gun runs like a champ.

Next up...a CT laser and potentially modifying the safety for more positive actuation.
 
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