Do all M&P's come with Fired Round? Pic's Too.
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handgunner356
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Are the dealers required to turn them in at time of sale there?
I have no idea. But if they should have it, i'll be phoning in the morning.
1bdvet
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I own three M&P, all them came with small envelope with empty shells.
The dealer, might have toss them, not knowing what they used for, by S&W.
The dealer, might have toss them, not knowing what they used for, by S&W.
N4KVE
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The purpose of the fired empty case is just Gov't intrusion. In commie states, the gov't will keep the round in a file with the ser # of the gun. Every gun leaves slightly different marks where the firing pin hits the primer, & where the extractor touches the case. Sort of like the fingerprint of the gun. So when empty casings are found at the scene of the crime in a commie state, the police try to match the empty casing with the casings on record. In most normal states where the Gov't doesn't collect the casings, they stay in the box with the gun. So if you didn't get the empty shell, the Gov't has it. GARY N4KVE
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Do you have any proof to back this up? It seems so unrealistic that I just have to ask.
Firing pins are changed, extractor replaced. These parts also wear as they are used. I would think it to be an impossible task to try and match a single original round to a weapon. I have never heard of it, so I'm asking to learn.
Is it just internet hogwash?
N4KVE
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Since I sell guns for a living I know this to be true. Just read the thread below. GARY N4KVE
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N4KVE
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Do you have any proof to back this up? It seems so unrealistic that I just have to ask.
Firing pins are changed, extractor replaced. These parts also wear as they are used. I would think it to be an impossible task to try and match a single original round to a weapon. I have never heard of it, so I'm asking to learn.
Is it just internet hogwash?
CoBIS (Combined Ballistic Identification System) was recently repealed in NY in favor of a national system.
http://publications.budget.ny.gov/eBudget1213/fy1213artVIIbills/PPGGArticleVII.pdf
N4KVE
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Yeah, Ontario is a very friendly gun province. [not] On the other hand, if they don't collect the empty casings up there like some states do here, then there's no reason to put an empty casing with any gun that goes to Canada. I did see Ontario, but wasn't sure if the OP was in Cali, or Canada. GARY N4KVE
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danysw
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I had an FFL dealer tell me manufacturers fire a round to leave a rifling finger print which means the fired round would need to be retrieved and logged into a scanned database like the FBI fingerprint database.
I have never read any reports to validate the claim nor have I read where a crime was solved using such technology but it does make for an interesting topic of discussion.
We may laugh at creating a rifling database, but I read a few years ago then Senator Clinton floated the idea to require every round to be serialized.
Russ
I have never read any reports to validate the claim nor have I read where a crime was solved using such technology but it does make for an interesting topic of discussion.
We may laugh at creating a rifling database, but I read a few years ago then Senator Clinton floated the idea to require every round to be serialized.
Russ
Twoboxer
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From Ruger's Instruction Manual for the SR22P:
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WHY ARE WE INCLUDING A FIRED CARTRIDGE CASE
WITH EVERY RUGER PISTOL AND REVOLVER?
Certain states and jurisdictions require that all newly manufactured pistols and
revolvers must be accompanied by a cartridge case, which has been test fired
from that gun at the factory. The case must be placed in a sealed container
bearing certain information concerning this test cartridge.
At the time of retail sale in those jurisdictions, firearms dealers must forward
such test cartridge to a designated destination such as their State Police
Laboratory. As independent distributors of Ruger® firearms have nationwide
markets without territorial restrictions, we have decided to include a fired
cartridge case with all new Ruger pistols and revolvers, to minimize the
possibility of inadvertent non-compliance with these laws.
Retail customers located in other states, where laws or regulations do not require
the dealer to so act, may be assured that the fired cartridge case they receive with
the firearm at the time of retail purchase is proof that your new Ruger firearm
has undergone our normal test firing procedures during manufacture.
===========================
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WHY ARE WE INCLUDING A FIRED CARTRIDGE CASE
WITH EVERY RUGER PISTOL AND REVOLVER?
Certain states and jurisdictions require that all newly manufactured pistols and
revolvers must be accompanied by a cartridge case, which has been test fired
from that gun at the factory. The case must be placed in a sealed container
bearing certain information concerning this test cartridge.
At the time of retail sale in those jurisdictions, firearms dealers must forward
such test cartridge to a designated destination such as their State Police
Laboratory. As independent distributors of Ruger® firearms have nationwide
markets without territorial restrictions, we have decided to include a fired
cartridge case with all new Ruger pistols and revolvers, to minimize the
possibility of inadvertent non-compliance with these laws.
Retail customers located in other states, where laws or regulations do not require
the dealer to so act, may be assured that the fired cartridge case they receive with
the firearm at the time of retail purchase is proof that your new Ruger firearm
has undergone our normal test firing procedures during manufacture.
===========================
I called my dealer and he didn't really have an answer for me. I was under the impression that ALL M&P's had a round or two fired and that the brass was put into the package. Why would the dealer remove them? Yes, i'm from the People's Republic of Ontario, Canada. Not a Gun Friendly Province.
Okay I guess I thought you guys were nuts, but I should have known...
It's the government so why should what they do make sense?
This is pretty stupid if you ask me. I just can't believe you can look at a factory fired shell casing from a 1960 gun and then look at one from the same gun 30,000 rounds later and see anything that links the two casings....
It's the government so why should what they do make sense?
This is pretty stupid if you ask me. I just can't believe you can look at a factory fired shell casing from a 1960 gun and then look at one from the same gun 30,000 rounds later and see anything that links the two casings....
N4KVE
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I would ask other Canadians who have purchased pistols of any brand if the rounds came with the gun. Maybe it's just not required there like it is here. Or maybe Ontario keeps the empty case like the Commie states here do. Ask your friends. GARY N4KVE
George9
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Also the case itself where it goes into the chamber leaves a quick fingerprint of that gun and it's chamber when it's extracted along with all the firing pin and extractor marks.. Tons of info on a case.. Yes some states require them to be put on file with ser# of the gun dealer and buyer as said... For all us law abiding people no big deal and may help in some case of gun thefts and cases of crimes involving guns. Give them a place to start. Not really a bad think depending on how you look at it! 
George
George
Maddmax
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Here it's just a test fired case that comes with the gun. All mine are still in the case under the foam liner still sealed in the envelope.
