Do I REALLY NEED THE MP 2.0 OPTICS 10MM?

[tjkoko]

Part of the desire for ownership of something is never having been able to afford it in the past.

 

[Dino1]

I kept kicking around the idea of getting the M&P 10mm, but the price just does not fit the weapon, My son kept pushing me towards one but I did not jump on it. I figured for the money I could get a better pistol.

So yesterday I purchased a Rock Island Tac Ultra with a threaded barrel. This gun is selling for 899.00 from any dealer that has them in stock, I got mine for 669.00 shipped. So it was a pretty good deal. This is a 1911 platform pistol that sports 16+1 capacity, has adjustable LPA rear sight, fiber optic front sight, skeletonized trigger and hammer, extended flared magwell, full sized guide rod, bushingless bull barrel, Ambi safety, speed bump on grip safety, out of the box. So this one has some nice upgrades all for the price of an M&P 10mm.

My son went out and purchased a M&P 10mm today, came home to show it to me it is a nice pistol, the grip needs sanded down, it is really rough and I can see it making your hand raw in short order. But that's not the worst of it, it has one of the most gritty triggers I have felt in an M&P. The problem ended up being the striker block. We replaced it with an Apex unit I had in my stash and and it is much better now. The original felt like their were burrs in the channel drilled in the slide, but the bore was smooth, it ended up being the block itself, it must have been slightly oversized as it was .001 larger than the Apex unit that replaced it.

 

[hunter5567]

I have the 4.6" model coming in today. I bought it for deer/hog hunting and will shoot the full power loads. I think that caliber is way too lite for defense against large bears and would want a minimum of a 44 Mag for that application but the 10mm is way better than trying to stop one with a 9mm. As far as lower powered loads, if I want to shoot something with lower power loads, I'll shoot a 9mm. The 9mm makes a great plinking pistol when 22LR pistols start to bore me.

 

[hunter5567]

Get it. I just picked up the 4" version today and it feels great in the hand. Mounted a Swampfox Liberty on it and can't wait to run some rounds through it

How did you mount the Swampfox Liberty on it? As in what plate did you use, etc. I'm wondering if the Justice model is 200 big.
I'm thinking about doing the same thing to mine.

 

[Frank Black]

I have the 4.6" model coming in today. I bought it for deer/hog hunting and will shoot the full power loads. I think that caliber is way too lite for defense against large bears and would want a minimum of a 44 Mag for that application ...

Well, you'd be wrong.

The 10mm Gen4 G20 is the Mil-issue sidearm of Denmark's Sledge Patrol Sirius units. The soldiers carry it for immediate use against Polar bear attacks in the arctic regions of Greenland. Polar bears are the most aggressive of the "large bear" (bruin) species.

The 10mm has also been repeatedly used by Alaskans in the bush to stop or turn charges by browns and Grizzs. (See attached pic).

So it's "not way too lite" for that application.

 

[The_Truth]

9mm penetrates more than .40? 10mm is too dangerous for self defense due to pass throughs, but too light for dangerous game? Rock Island better than Smith & Wesson?

Lmao I want some of whatever y'all are smoking...

I will absolutely buy an M&P 10mm eventually... but I have no use for an optics-ready compact 10mm. I think this trend of putting RMRs on compact guns is kinda silly and totally impractical, but also understand that some people may not be physically able to use iron sights due to sight problems. Either way, I will likely wait until they release a more plain Jane carry version.

I've seen what 180gr XTPs from Underwood do to a mature whitetail buck first hand out of a KKM 7" barrel (I was lucky enough to harvest one this year with my G40 using IRON SIGHTS) and I have little doubt about its capabilities against a bear, although the XTP would not be my bullet of choice for bear repellant. I would go with either the 200gr or the 220gr hard cast flat nose offering from Underwood for that type of duty use.

YMMV.

 

[sandog]

Ah yeah, no. That's an idiot statement.

Cite one instance involving a 10mm pistol where that's happened.

Threads like this bring up good points for or against and are interesting.
When some start throwing insults like saying someone made an idiot statement (indirectly saying THEY are an idiot), the mods will just close the thread.
This just happened with a thread on the M&P section about a left handed guy using the slide stop as a release.
One guy in particular was getting unruly and told another to have a "F'n"" New Year, bingo, thread closed.
I would have rather seen the offender get a warning and the rest of us could continue enjoying the thread.

If you want a "big stick" in a self loader, the 10mm is great.
I had a G20 for 12 years. I liked it, and would feel comfortable carrying it in Black Bear or Cougar country.
I don't doubt that Inland Grizzlies/Browns/Polar bears have been turned or a charge stopped by a 10mm, I'd change my mind too if someone was using one on me.

But having 15 rounds on tap is a moot point. If you've ever seen a Grizzly charge, you'd be amazed how quick they are.
One Yellowstone Grizzly charged from about 90 yards uphill from me.
He covered that downhill 90 yards in maybe 4 seconds, at 40 yards I had my M629 out and was trying to keep sights on his head as he leapt over deadfall logs across the trail to get at me.

What was strange was how quiet he was, had I not been looking in his direction when he started the charge, I'd have never known he was coming at me until it was too late.

Good for me that he slammed on the brakes at 20 yards and ran away. I had the hammer just about ready to drop when he ran.
I'd have had time for one shot, and it had better have been a good one.
Imagine if that bear started his charge from 30 or 40 yards instead.

Even that .454 Casull or .500 Linebaugh will seem pretty wimpy when a big bear is "bearing" down on you.

 

[rosewood]

Do a search on the interwebs of Razor Dobbs cape Buffalo with 10mm. If u can put down a cape buffalo, I will never feel undergunned.

 

[sandog]

Did you see the professional hunter with the big double rifle get up to his left after Razor shot ?
It would be a bit more exciting, and the outcome not as sure, if Mr. Dobbs shooting at the Buff with his 10mm didn't have back up next to him.
Most of us would not have the luxury of someone standing next to us with a rifle that probably turns out 2 1/2 tons of muzzle energy in case things go wrong.

While not as much of a "stunt" as the guy in Alaska that shot a huge Brownie with a .17 Remington, and I'm sure that guy had someone backing him up with a "real" rifle too.
Just because someone did something once, under certain circumstances, doesn't mean it is commonplace or even wise.

I'll stick with the deer, Mtn. Lion and small Black bear that is suited to the 700 ft. lbs. (with top loads like BB and CorBon) the 10mm generates.
Man, I bet if T- Rex still roamed the earth, someone would say the 10mm would be plenty of gun !

 

[hunter5567]

I'd still rather have a more powerful caliber if I was in bear country.
Since they can outrun a quarter horse in a hundred yards and likely only get one shot on said charging bruin before he is chomping on your body parts, it needs to be fight stopper with that one shot. Where I live, I don't have to contend with polar or grizzle bears and have to contend with the occasional 500lb wild boar sporting 7.5" tusks and charging out of the palmettos at 20yards away, I still want more gun but do contend that the 10mm is adequate in those circumstances and a lot better than a 9mm.

 

[tjkoko]

........... .......I ........ have to contend with the occasional 500lb wild boar sporting 7.5" tusks and charging out of the palmettos at 20yards away.........

Like me you must be from either Georgia or north Florida. ...Dawgs and hawgs.

 

[Frank Black]

Do a search on the interwebs of Razor Dobbs cape Buffalo with 10mm. If u can put down a cape buffalo, I will never feel undergunned.

You mean this one?

And no PH in sight.

Shot it by hisself, the Dobber did. Some ya'll need to put your 10mm Big-Boy pants on and enjoy it.

 

[sandog]

You mean this one?

And no PH in sight.

Shot it by hisself, the Dobber did. Some ya'll need to put your 10mm Big-Boy pants on and enjoy it.

Jeez, you aren't going to see the PH in a still photo unless the PH was laying on top of the Buffalo.
Watch the video, right after the first shot and at about 40 seconds in the camera swings to the left and the PH gets up.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZBVnquaLXM&t=46s[/ame]
Having backup and an unsuspecting animal, that shot could have been made with many different handgun calibers.
All the bullet had to do was poke a hole in heart or lungs and wait for the bleed out.
Had the Buff spotted the hunter, Mr. Dobbs would have been counting on the PH to save their bacon.

I see nothing magical about a slightly lengthened .40 S&W.
It works well on 200 lb. humans and similar weight deer.
Using one on an 800 bear or Buffalo that can get up to 1900 lbs?
Have at it.

 

[Frank Black]

I see nothing magical about a slightly lengthened .40 S&W.
It works well on 200 lb. humans and similar weight deer.
Using one on an 800 bear or Buffalo that can get up to 1900 lbs?
Have at it.

And if you'd yank your head outta the sand long enough, you'd actually see that Danish soldiers up in Greenlandia use their 10mm G20s (occasionally) on much bigger, heavier Polar bears.

800lbs? ... In AK, the 10mm's on record for taking down the really weighty Moose, not just the big bruins.

But that's called doing the research on real-world cases.

 

[sandog]

Keep up the insults Frank, and yet another thread will be closed.
Bad enough that the OP's thread on the new M&P was turned into a bear vs. whatever thread.
My apologies marathonrunner.

 

[tjkoko]

Jeez, you aren't going to see the PH in a still photo unless the PH was laying on top of the Buffalo.
Watch the video, right after the first shot and at about 40 seconds in the camera swings to the left and the PH gets up.
............

"PH"? What's "PH"?

 

[Mebe007]

I'm digging mine

 

[hunter5567]

Professional Hunter

 

[hunter5567]

I'm digging mine

What optic do you have on yours?

 

[rosewood]

Jeez, you aren't going to see the PH in a still photo unless the PH was laying on top of the Buffalo.
Watch the video, right after the first shot and at about 40 seconds in the camera swings to the left and the PH gets up.
RAZOR DOBBS 10mm Auto Cape Buffalo Kill #1 - YouTube
Having backup and an unsuspecting animal, that shot could have been made with many different handgun calibers.
All the bullet had to do was poke a hole in heart or lungs and wait for the bleed out.
Had the Buff spotted the hunter, Mr. Dobbs would have been counting on the PH to save their bacon.

You know, even when you are hunting with a .416 Rigby or the like, there is still a PH there to back you up on these African hunts to save their bacon on a badly placed shot.

Rosewood