Do recent events alter your perspective?

[Walkingwolf]

Apparently not in my neck of the woods in western NC. In nearly 16 years living here, I can think of two I've come across.

I consider that a good thing by and large.

Asheville? Or somewhere in the hippy vicinity?

Around central NC it is very common. In fact most times we get rewarded with a discount at restaurants usually 15%. AFTER the shooting we stopped at a national franchise restaurant and to our surprise received LE discount 45%. Bill should have been $32 but was slightly over $16. No we don't look like LE. We are continually thanked for our carry, and some have stated especially in light of the recent shootings.

Thank God people in this neck of the woods respect the right to self defense, and the common sense to worry about their selves. Instead of getting worked up about the law abiding decisions of others.

 

[The Big D]

That moron is a red flag candidate...

...for certain. Truth.

Flame suit on...but if any person thinks this was a responsible activity given the events of last weekend he/she is also a moron.

Seems there are so called SJW’s (social justice warriors) on both sides...I despise ALL of them.

I applaud the armed citizen who addressed this situation.

Be safe.

The copy cats are on the prowl....

Who's the next dunsel to do an act of domestic terrorism ???

It can happen anywhere, anytime, anyplace. Be careful out there folks.


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The pie faced 20 year old in Springfield MO. now faces felony charges for his stunt,
wither he did it for the shock value or some twisted political statement,
it was the wrong time in the current climate of recent events.

From USA Today,

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. – A man has been charged with a felony for allegedly walking through a Missouri Walmart store with a body armor and a loaded rifle.

Dmitriy N. Andreychenko, 20, of Springfield was charged Friday with making a terrorist threat in the second-degree. That's a felony punishable by up to four years in prison. He is being held in the Greene County Jail.

Andreychenko allegedly said he was testing whether Walmart "honored the Second Amendment."

Police say Andreychenko went to the Walmart on Republic Road in Springfield, donned body armor and walked inside with a loaded "tactical rifle" and another gun.

Police say panic ensued and shoppers went scurrying out of the building as Andreychenko allegedly walked around pushing a shopping cart and recording video on his phone.

The incident occurred five days after a gunman killed 22 and injured dozens more at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

Andreychenko left the store after a few minutes and was held at gunpoint by an off-duty firefighter until officers arrived moments later, Lt. Mike Lucas, with the Springfield Police Department, said.

No shots were fired during the incident Thursday. Andreychenko was arrested after he was stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter, Springfield police said. No one was injured.

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[Muss Muggins]

A: Nobody has confirmed that the load bearing carrier he was wearing actually contained ballistic plates, so you’re making that up.

B: A visible weapon, even where illegal, does not make one a nut job.

C: He was not filming himself, he was videoing his journey.

I have a dash camera and a body camera. Does that make me a nut job?

Don't care. Visible weapon (be it rifle, knife, axe, or sword), plus body armor, plus filming yourself in a public location? That equals nutjob, and I don't feel like being nearby.

 

[blues7]

Asheville? Or somewhere in the hippy vicinity?

Nope. In the sticks of Transylvania County.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Nope. In the sticks of Transylvania County.

Town of Brevard?

 

[blues7]

Town of Brevard?

I said the sticks.

You must have me confused with someone you think you know, or know something about.

 

[LPD256]

Did anyone else see info about the anti-gun person that walked into the Wal-Mart in Florida, as a stunt, and asked where the guns are that can kill 200 people? Everyone thinks they are entitled to make a statement. At the expense of the rest of us. Yes, you can kit up and walk into a Wal-Mart. Yes you can shout “Where are the murder tools” in the sporting goods section. If your intent is to create a scene, you will. If you are a legit open carry advocate you mostly carry and don’t intentionally bring attention upon yourself. You exercise your right, and go about your business.

 

[Doug M.]

There was a real good article about 5 years or so ago by Gary Roberts about why the 5 shot J frame was a poor choice for personal defense after he had an interesting encounter with a group of miscreants while walking his dog. I don't recall the details of the incident, and he may have put on line in LF.

If one studies the actual efficacy of handgun rounds against a determined violent offender, the better answer is more rounds along with good accuracy. (I'm waiting to test a shield with optic before I buy one, but it would help overcome my aging eyes.)

Take a look at the backgrounds and publicly expressed motivations of these recent high profile killers (Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton) and they are all based on bias of some kind. In the US, while Jihadists are not a zero threat, the extreme right white supremacists are far more of a threat.

As for open carry and the buffoon in the Missouri W-M, I suspect he was less violative of the law than he is being treated now, BUT his judgment was poor. I want to get left alone more than I want to test things, so O/C is a no-go for me. I'll admit I loathe it. We have a new population of kooks showing up in our county offices now trying to create scenes, and then filming the events. They are doing it only to provoke a problem, and one has already gotten it by doing this in a courtroom and then resisting his arrest for contempt. Utter fail. Is filming wrong? Nope. Not even close. Could it be an indicator of something more when combined with other things? Yup.

 

[Wise_A]

If one studies the actual efficacy of handgun rounds against a determined violent offender, the better answer is more rounds along with good accuracy. (I'm waiting to test a shield with optic before I buy one, but it would help overcome my aging eyes.)

Honestly, I wouldn't want to have to use a handgun to fight a guy with a long gun, regardless of capacity. Although I do agree that, at least in my personal case, a J-frame is more than a little less accurate than some other options. That said, spree killings are so rare that I'd be better off worrying about lightning strikes.

 

[keith44spl]

I personally like my snubnose to be of the N frame variety and chambered in 44 or 45....

But, with that being said, a close personal friend once interrupted a
convenient store robbery and shot the shotgun wielding suspect with
his off duty bug, a S&W model 60. In addition to being a trooper,
my friend was also a member of the state SRT team.

So, no matter the size or number of rounds, it's practice, tactics / skill that carries the day. IMHO

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[petepeterson]

Yes, even before the latest incidents I dumped my 5 shot J frame for a 10+ shot P365 and never looking back. 11 or 13 rds on tap as opposed to 5 for basically the same size and weight. Why wouldn’t I?

I'm in the same boat. I made the same switch awhile back.
Whatever nostalgia I feel for revolvers shouldn't override the fact that, for me, there's a better tool for the job, while giving up nothing but the previously mentioned nostalgia.
Pocket carry is a different story- I still throw a J in there for that.
I know a few of you will say that you shoot a J-frame better than a subcompact auto, and I'm not disputing your claim, but I'll bet with equal practice time, you would shoot a P365 (or something similar) every bit as well, if not better.

 

[biku324]

People who insist on pushing to the extreme edge of our civil rights ultimately ensure that those civil rights will be curtailed. With liberties come responsibilities, but some folks only want liberties and bitterly resent responsibilities.

Shame on anyone who OCs where he or she knows ordinary folks will be scared.

 

[keith44spl]

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Originally Posted by keith44spl View Post
More insanity yesterday in Missouri.
It's getting crazy out there.....Man at Wal-Mart scaring folks.

Armed off-duty firefighter holds suspect at gun point till police can arrive.

Armed off-duty firefighter halts armed suspect at Walmart store in Missouri, police say | Fox News

The followup headline may ultimately read "Armed off-duty firefighter faces assault and unlawful detention charges for pointing gun at man engaged in lawful activity . . ."

Just from what I've read in local news sources and from talking to a couple people I know in that part of the state, this seems to be an open carrier gone wrong. He was videoing his stroll through the store. When the alarm sounded, he, like the others, left via an emergency exit. Most active shooters don't come in and get a cart, but then again, most open carriers don't wear body armor (or what probably was just a tactical vest, we'll have to wait and see).

I don't care if you want to open carry or not, but in lots of areas of the country, even where it's perfectly legal and has been for years, if you sling a rifle in a crowded place, you're gonna face a significant chance of causing an evacuation and getting a pistol or three pointed at you . . .

The suspect has been charged with a felony, I don't see any repercussions befalling the firefighter for stopping what is now being charged as a 2nd degree felony of making a terrorist threat by the suspect.

The prosecutors may or may not reduce the charges upon a plea bargain, who really knows.
I personally don't think a DA would touch a charge against the firefighter with a ten foot pole...


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[Muss Muggins]

. . . Just from what I've read in local news sources and from talking to a couple people I know in that part of the state, this seems to be an open carrier gone wrong. He was videoing his stroll through the store. When the alarm sounded, he, like the others, left via an emergency exit. Most active shooters don't come in and get a cart, but then again, most open carriers don't wear body armor (or what probably was just a tactical vest, we'll have to wait and see) . . .

As promised, here’s the follow up. Still no word on whether or not he was wearing actual body armor or just a load bearing vest . . .

Armed man who caused panic at a Walmart in Missouri said it was a 'social experiment,' police say - CNN

 

[Muss Muggins]

If this stands, wherein a man is convicted of making a terrorist threat for doing nothing but pushing a shopping cart with a slung rifle in a Wal Mart, in a state where open carry is legal, we have moved way beyond shouting “fire” in a crowded theater. He made no threats, made no threatening, angry moves, was not carrying the rifle in his hands, and as far as I know, interacted with no person. It was a stupid thing to do, I’ll grant you that, but this act was legal a couple months ago, and the laws haven’t changed. That should scare everyone much, much more than a slung AR in a Wal Mart . . .

The suspect has been charged with a felony, I don't see any repercussions befalling the firefighter for stopping what is now being charged as a 2nd degree felony of making a terrorist threat by the suspect.

The prosecutors may or may not reduce the charges upon a plea bargain, who really knows.
I personally don't think a DA would touch a charge against the firefighter with a ten foot pole...


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[Ziggy2525]

If this stands, wherein a man is convicted of making a terrorist threat for doing nothing but pushing a shopping cart with a slung rifle in a Wal Mart, in a state where open carry is legal, we have moved way beyond shouting “fire” in a crowded theater. He made no threats, made no threatening, angry moves, was not carrying the rifle in his hands, and as far as I know, interacted with no person. It was a stupid thing to do, I’ll grant you that, but this act was legal a couple months ago, and the laws haven’t changed. That should scare everyone much, much more than a slung AR in a Wal Mart . . .

Not in Missouri, but if it's like my neck of the woods (from what I see on the news), stupid guy will be offered and probably plead no contest to a totally unrelated misdemeanor like "disturbing the peace." It never seems to be about right and wrong. It's more about how the system works once you get thrown in it.

The prosecutor gets a win. The defense attorney declares it a win for his client. Stupid guy gets whacked on the wrist for his stupidity.

 

[ladder13]

I'm in the same boat. I made the same switch awhile back.
Whatever nostalgia I feel for revolvers shouldn't override the fact that, for me, there's a better tool for the job, while giving up nothing but the previously mentioned nostalgia.
Pocket carry is a different story- I still throw a J in there for that.
I know a few of you will say that you shoot a J-frame better than a subcompact auto, and I'm not disputing your claim, but I'll bet with equal practice time, you would shoot a P365 (or something similar) every bit as well, if not better.

Like I’ve said many times “why not carry the 365 with 2x+ the load in the same package”(size) over a J. I like J’s too but “why not” ?
I have over 1300 rds thru my P365, reliability is a non starter.

 

[Walkingwolf]

People who insist on pushing to the extreme edge of our civil rights ultimately ensure that those civil rights will be curtailed. With liberties come responsibilities, but some folks only want liberties and bitterly resent responsibilities.

Shame on anyone who OCs where he or she knows ordinary folks will be scared.

Maybe, but that is exactly what some groups outside of gun owners did to get their rights/privileges drastically changed in their favor.

 

[Erocksmash]

I often grow complacent with life and my carying responsibilities... not that I carry whenever convenient (my cary is a part of my every day cant leave the house W/o thing) but more so what I carry .... in light of recent events it often reminds me that maybe what I carry capacity wise may not be enough ??? So I my self am changing alot

BETTER TO HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT THEN TO NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT

 

[keith44spl]

As I see it...
It's not the fact the young man was legally armed, it's the fact that his action(s)
caused such alarm among the public as to result in panic and a mass exit of persons
in such a manner as to endanger said public.

His lit'l so called 'social experiment' was conducted in a manner (in light of recent national events) that
would have or could have put his own life in serious jeopardy.

I guess this is all just conjecture on this subject anyway,
we'll just have to see how it plays out in the up coming proceedings.......

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