Do recent events alter your perspective?

[fredj338]

Personally, I have never bought into 5rd pocket rockets as adequate. 5rds goes fast in a fight with a firearm armed attacker. Throw on most do not practice with of shoot their comfy carry gun, IMO, just not ready for any fight. In today's world of active shooters, I am glad I carry 10+1 & train & practice well beyond contact distance most snubs & pocket guns are used. Train, practice, repeat.

 

[sigp220.45]

And in the Wal Mart case the cretin threw his gun down and his hands up when confronted with harsh language.

 

[otis24]

I believe that most name brand semi-autos are pretty reliable. That said, I think one would be prudent to break in a new auto and then fire a judicious amount of ammo that one intends to use for self defense. I was for most of my life a wheel gun guy. And of the autos I liked, I never gave plastic guns a second look. I currently own a Shield 9mm and just purchased a Glock ,43x. I am first and foremost about utility. I've evolved from being an all steel revolver (with a hammer of course) to a J frame Centennial Airweght guy, to currently carrying a Glock 43X. The switch to auto was for increased ammo capacity. Shield Arm's offers a 15 round magazine for the Glock 43x without changing the length. At the risk of sounding like a broken record "we say it is better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it. I say it is better to have more ammo and not need it than to need it and not have it".

 

[Muss Muggins]

Based upon your real world experience?

. . . 5rds goes fast in a fight with a firearm armed attacker. . .

 

[delcrossv]

Regarding assault rifles. I'm a vet and former marine law enforcement. This is no longer about the 2nd amendment "if they take those, they'll take this"..this is about families getting massacred by weapons that make it easy to do so...the right to blast targets rapid fire at 100 yards, or the 'need' to have a loaded assault rifle by the bed 'just in case', does not override the right for good Americans to live their lives without getting mowed down at the mall.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin

Access to semiautomatic rifles is NOT the issue.

 

[JayFramer]

I believe we need to adopt an Israeli state of mind.

Our public needs to become accustomed to upstanding civil defense operators. What I mean, is widespread open carry of MSRs needs to become mainstream. Nobody in their right mind is going to waste time attacking a crowd when tons of good citizens are also carrying ARs and AKs. It needs to become as common as a woman carrying her purse, or a man his ballcap.

Until this becomes the norm, don’t expect these disasters to stop. Sadly, with our pathetically hoplophobic anti-gun society, this might never happen.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I believe we need to adopt an Israeli state of mind.

Our public needs to become accustomed to upstanding civil defense operators. What I mean, is widespread open carry of MSRs needs to become mainstream. Nobody in their right mind is going to waste time attacking a crowd when tons of good citizens are also carrying ARs and AKs. It needs to become as common as a woman carrying her purse, or a man his ballcap.

Until this becomes the norm, don’t expect these disasters to stop. Sadly, with our pathetically hoplophobic anti-gun society, this might never happen.

But yet you think a 5 shot J frame is enough. No offense. But it seems contradictory.

 

[JayFramer]

But yet you think a 5 shot J frame is enough. No offense. But it seems contradictory.

FOR ME I feel it is adequate in most situations.

But at these public events (which I don’t make a habit of going to) this would be the best deterrent possible.

 

[Ziggy2525]

A few years ago I looked research into mass shootings in the US versus mass shootings in Australia.

There were of course fewer overall and even fewer per capita in Australia, which is a low population density country with very few metropolitan areas. There are only 5 with more than a million in Australia and the largest is just over 5 million (compared to 53 over 1 million, and 9 over 5 million in the US). Australia has only 17 with over 100,000 (compared to 354 in the US). Given that violence is closely correlated with population density, it's no surprise that the US is violent.

But..what was interesting was the shootings and violent attacks in Australia that ended well short of the mass shooting criteria. WHen you read into those you find a much greater tendency for the would be victims to take down the assailant, even when he is armed with a firearm.

Here in the US we seem to default to:

"my responsibility is to defend my family and myself". What's left unsaid is "screw any idea of a social contract where I might feel I have a moral obligation to try and defend or save the lives of innocent civilians being gunned down".

Just food for thought, but if we're going to admit on one hand that when seconds count the police are usually minutes away but on the other hand claim the only responsible thing to do is wait for the police to arrive, then we're going to continue to have mass shootings with high death tolls. Meanwhile in Australia, they've established a significant deterrent by making it clear that if you want to attempt to launch a mass attack, your would be victims are going to beat the ever livin' bejeezus out of you.

We've become a nation of sheep and I'm starting to think we deserve what we get.

Unfortunately, that approach didn't work out well for Joseph Wilcox in the Las Vegas Walmart shooting. Sounds like his death had a huge impact on his family too.

Las Vegas Walmart Shooting - YouTube

From my perspective, as a civilian permit holder, if I was trying to evacuate a mass shooting and I ran across a shooter who's actively killing people, of course it would make sense to engage the shooter to stop the threat.

What doesn't make sense is for a solo civilian to actively try to clear the aisles of a 100,000 square foot Walmart to track down and stop an active shooter. Makes even less sense when there are a couple thousand people running out of the store in the opposite direction to get out of the store.

 

[SRG]

My carry habits haven't changed since 1995. I carry a hi cap semi auto and a spare mag. Prior to 1995, I usually carried a 1911 and two mags.

 

[Walkingwolf]

It only takes one well placed shot to end a shooting. OTH mag dumps rarely accomplish anything.

 

[Whitwabit]

I carry according to my surroundings. Here in Western Washington the crime is rampant. Of course it’s a sanctuary city. :

I carry a semi auto with one reload. If I lived in a small town somewhere, I’m sure I wouldn’t need too.

Living in a small town makes no difference .. Smaller towns have just as much drug traffic as larger burgs .. Where there are drugs there are gangs and where there are gangs there are guns and crime !!

I live in a town of 17K with ever increasing amount of crime with in our city borders .. Just 8 miles away is a town of 115K that has someone killed about 3 times a month in random shooting or gang violence !! With Shot Spotter recording nightly gun fire .. That violence is starting to spread out side of its boundary's .. I have the need to be in that town several times a week ..

And yes I carry my Beretta Px4 Sub Compact 13+1 .. spare mag on left side all my waking hours and at night its just
2 feet away !!

 

[Walkingwolf]

I believe we need to adopt an Israeli state of mind.

Our public needs to become accustomed to upstanding civil defense operators. What I mean, is widespread open carry of MSRs needs to become mainstream. Nobody in their right mind is going to waste time attacking a crowd when tons of good citizens are also carrying ARs and AKs. It needs to become as common as a woman carrying her purse, or a man his ballcap.

Until this becomes the norm, don’t expect these disasters to stop. Sadly, with our pathetically hoplophobic anti-gun society, this might never happen.

There never was a mass shooting, or any shooting at any OCT event leading up to the change in Texas law. No robberies or felonies of any kind.

OTH the shooter's manifesto pointed out that he was seeking unarmed victims.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Here in the US we seem to default to:

"my responsibility is to defend my family and myself". What's left unsaid is "screw any idea of a social contract where I might feel I have a moral obligation to try and defend or save the lives of innocent civilians being gunned down".

I musta' lost my copy of that contract. My moral obligation is to keep my family alive first, and then second to keep me alive so I can continue to support them in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, thereby avoiding my family entering onto the public dole upon my untimely demise trying to fix society's ills. Here endeth the contract . . .

 

[SRG]

It only takes one well placed shot to end a shooting. OTH mag dumps rarely accomplish anything.

Why is it that anytime someone mentions a hi cap semi auto the terms "mag dump" or "spray and pray" come up. How about the ability to deliver 15 "well placed shots" instead of 5 or 6.

It has also been my experience in the shootings I have personal knowledge of multiple shots are more often then not required.

Just my .02

 

[ladder13]

Yes, even before the latest incidents I dumped my 5 shot J frame for a 10+ shot P365 and never looking back. 11 or 13 rds on tap as opposed to 5 for basically the same size and weight. Why wouldn’t I?

 

[keith44spl]

I have considered, in light of recent events, to maybe add an
additional magazine to my rig when going into the city.

I think, I will go back to practicing a lit'l more....I do have the luxury
of having my own pistol and rifle range where I can shoot off'n the
veranda while having my morning coffee.

I might even consider putting the 300 blackout
back in the pickup, just for the ideal of it.

Even though I'm retired.....Once sworn, always sworn.


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[bmcgilvray]

Serves to reinforce my notion that full-size and weight "fightin'" handguns are preferred for defensive carry rather than small and light stunted handguns.

 

[fredj338]

And in the Wal Mart case the cretin threw his gun down and his hands up when confronted with harsh language.

Because he wanted an audience & trial. Most mass shooters though want to die, even kill themselves.

 

[fredj338]

It only takes one well placed shot to end a shooting. OTH mag dumps rarely accomplish anything.

Sorry that is waaaay to optimistic. So now all we need is a single shot? Even well placed shots don't end fights with dedicated killers. It may take more & if the distance is close, the attacker will likely kill you before he dies of his well placed shot.