Do you rent or own your home??

Do you rent or own your home?

  • Want to own a home but unemployed and can't make down payment.

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  • Purchased a house a few years ago hoping to sell and make a profit but that is no longer an option

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Waiting till dad & mom die so I can move into their home

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    175
  • Poll closed .
I never understood those who prefer to rent and avoid taxes, maintenance and the other "joys" of home purchasing/ownership.

When you rent, you are also paying to cover those costs on a monthy basis to the landlord plus his profit margin. The diffence is that at the end of 10/20/30 years, you're still paying rent with nothing to show for it.

Am I missing something?
 
Not so much now, but years ago the house buyer seen his house appriciate in value. A rent payment just went up with the times. However, everyones situation is different. Many people need to move to get work or keep their jobs. When you rent you dont feel as tied down. What percentage of us would move tomorrow to another location if we had nothing tieing us down and everything you own would fit in your car? I lived like that a few years when I was young. Life was a adventure, even if I was broke. It was almost liveing like the old tv series, "Route 66". Come to think of it, I did it the same years the show ran. 1960 through 1964.
 
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I own mine, except for the small percentage Chase Bank still lays claim to. I would like to send them a final check, but so far, I haven't been able to get the wife on board. Maybe shortly.
 
I never understood those who prefer to rent and avoid taxes, maintenance and the other "joys" of home purchasing/ownership.

When you rent, you are also paying to cover those costs on a monthy basis to the landlord plus his profit margin. The diffence is that at the end of 10/20/30 years, you're still paying rent with nothing to show for it.

Am I missing something?
Yep, you certainly are.

1. When owning - you have to take care of any problems that come up, whether it be roof, water heater, siding, floor that is disintigrating, heat pump that goes out, entire back door that is rotting away and needs replacing.

2. If you can do most of the work yourself, then it isn't mostly a problem. But I don't do that. I just am not that type and would need to hire someone to do that for me. I don't make enough to do that. I hardly am able to even put anything away for any kind of retirement (like that's gonna happen).


So, yes, Renting gives me the knowledge of a set amount that will be going out the door each month (I lease so it is usually set for a year) so budgeting is easy. When something needs fixing at the place I am renting, I call the landlord and it is their problem, not mine.

Yep, so I may have nothing at the end to show for it, but I sucked at owning (house literally was falling apart because I couldn't come up with the funds for materials alone let alone someone to actually do the work. So not anymore. It isn't for me. See that as strange, but it is what it is.
 
I own my house. The mortgage is paid off. It feels real good not to have to worry about a mortgage. I just have to pay insurance, property tax, and utilities. Did I say it feels real good?
 
Technically I own my own home... but the bank now owns my fathers home... and I owe my father 50 large... So whats that called? :)
 
Think about it.
Do any of us really own anything?????? We start out as two incomplete cells-each contining 23 chromosonesthat somehow join and grow in an incredibly random cosmic accident and in the end-a breath of air blows away what is left of our decomposing corpses. In between we possess/use/sleep under/eat lots of stuff but what,if anything is actually ours that cannot be taken away on a whim by anyone or thing????
 
I never understood those who prefer to rent and avoid taxes, maintenance and the other "joys" of home purchasing/ownership.

When you rent, you are also paying to cover those costs on a monthy basis to the landlord plus his profit margin. The diffence is that at the end of 10/20/30 years, you're still paying rent with nothing to show for it.

Am I missing something?

A considerable amount, yes, all of which is rooted in the predictable cashflows associated with owning a home. Unlike what the banker and real estate agents tell you, a home is not an asset. A home is a depreciating property that provides a necessary utility and whose existence would be completely consumed by its use if no effort is put into its upkeep. I always roll my eyes when I hear "Your home is your biggest investment..." on the radio or TV. Aside from not needing whatever they're peddling, this statement is so far from truth as to be laughable. But very few people laugh.

What are these recurring cashflows?

(1) Taxes. Even on a home not encumbered by debt, the state has the power to claim deed to your property simply for failure to pay taxes. I've got friends in some of the ritzier suburbs of Columbus who pay the equivalent of $500/month or more in taxes. Some are paying closer to $1000/month in taxes. Think that's not "rent"? Think that you'll have "something to show" for paying these taxes? Think again.

(2) Repair, maintenance, and improvement. Houses deterioriate and do so fairly quickly. A shallow shingle roof will only last 20 years; better shingle roofs may last 30. Mechanicals may be severely degraded or completely nonfunctional in 20 years. In 50 years, many foundations need repair or shoring. Windows, doors, floors, and fixtures all wear out.

How much are these cashflows? Unless your home is new, you should plan on budgeting between 1% and 3% per year for these items. (A new home only defers these expenses, but they will be upon you sooner than you realize.) The first time you quote this figure, those who can do a little math in their heads immediately protest. "Those values are much too high!" These protests are only the product of inexperience. Suppose you own a 50-year-old 1000 square foot ranch with a full basement and detached 2.5 car garage in, say, Columbus, Ohio. Current value of the home: $100k. Cost of some work:

(1) New roof: $3500.
(2) Sump pump installation. (Code didn't require them in 1960 and footer drainage degrades over time.) $7500.
(3) Suppose you have some old cast iron drain pipes that are plugged and then corroded due to repeated use of alkaline drain cleaner. Plumber time is about $100/hour. A simple repair will easily be $300.
(4) Air conditioner: $2000.
(5) Furnace: $1750.
(6) Repair and resurfacing of above-grade cinder block foundation: $1000.
(7) Asphalt driveway sealing: $250 each year or every other year.

Add these things up and you quickly see that 1% is probably low. These costs go up with the size of the house, which also have higher value, so plan accordingly.

The upshot? If you turn tax, insurance, and repair, maintenance, and improvement into a monthly cashflow, you're going to find "rent" written all over your spreadsheet. Suppose you buy a home and...

... pay interest on it for 15 to 30 years.
... pay property taxes for 40 years.
... pay insurance for 40 years.
... pay for repair, maintenance, and improvment to maintain a certain standard while you live there
... pay a bunch of money to renovate the home prior to its sale
... and finally sell the home.

What do you think you'll "have to show" for it? You'll have some money, yes. But was it worth it? The answer to that is answered by an analysis of alternatives. And the spreadsheet would show that you paid *many* times over the purchase price of the home to live in it for 40 years. In short, you paid rent but you simply didn't realize it, choosing instead to deceive yourself that you're doing something financially beneficial. Well, probably not.

Your statement said "... except you're still paying rent." You are always paying rent, even if you own. Furthermore, the silliness of this statement should be obvious in the scenario I outlined above. If you sell the home, you no longer can live in it. Guess what? You'll be spending "what you have to show for it" on another property or... renting!

The idea that rent is wasting your money is believed only by the innumerate, which is to say, most of the American population. Rent is only waste if there are other smaller cashflows that could provide similar utility. You can become quite wealthy renting your entire life because your ability to build wealth is not dependent upon home ownership but rather, what you do with the money that you *didn't* spend on housing.

Even if your house shows a net positive return in four decades net of inflation (which is highly unlikely), it will be small. Furthermore, if your paid-off house is the largest store of wealth you have by the time you retire, you're in deep doo-doo. House as an investment. Bah! Humbug!

My wife has a cousin in his early 20's who just got married. In January he told me he and his wife were looking at condos to "stop wasting their rent". We had a very lengthy chat about the things he must assume to make this statement and how they aren't true. I encouraged him to keep renting because he doesn't know what life will hold for him in the next few years and mobility is far more impactful to his long-term wealth than any home he could buy right now. He smiled when I told him it was easy to get caught up in the excitement of the purchase, especially the dreaming of what it's like to be with your bride in your new house. I told him that this doesn't change whether you're 24 or 44. But don't get caught up in it. It will suck his current and future wealth away faster than he realizes. We'll see what he does.

My name is on the deed to two homes, one of which I call my residence. I bought very little home and now that we have three little guys who didn't exist when we bought the home, it's more crowded than it was when we bought it. Still, we choose to be content with what we have, knowing that our frugality provides freedom to other things with our money, including build true wealth outside of the house.
 
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No, just asken. I owe on my home given to me. Not a smart Guy. No not.me. just wondering how normal folks on this site are doing. How can anything on the web be considered nosey? Just asken
Folks on this site may not be "normal." Many of us own a bunch of guns we don't need (not referring to the five or six guns each of us maybe does need). We have the money to do this. For reasons of age, good fortune, or whatever, many of us have a reasonable amount of "disposable income." We also mostly belong to a culture which values self-reliance. I am not surprised that the clear majority (93 to 5 at time of this reply) own their own homes.
 
Life is a **** shoot. No matter what position we take on whats smarter, buying or renting we can come up with figuers and storys to support it. If single the alternative to renting or owing is a job with a barracks or bunkhouse, maybe the overpass or jail. In my case I had a good paying job with tons of OT for 35 years. Yet looking around me I see young people in huge expendsive houses that no way would I ever have considered buying or renting in my finest hour. I feel like knocking on their doors and asking them how did you get to this point or level? Where do you work and what does it pay? I feel I must have missed something somewhere. One thing I do take exception to is this: I have seen people that I knew, even executives, that have went bankrupt or walked out of houses, NOT BECAUSE they lost their jobs or even because their income went down, but because the houseing market went down and now their house is underwater, upside down. Their once $300,000 house is now worth $150,000s. Well, they feel justified in stiffing the lender because in theory they can get a like house for half the payment. Good math but bad morals in my book. They have the same job and income that was used to qualify and still have it! That type person that defaults on their debt, (without medical disaster or the like) to me is no better than a thief.
If you dont have a paid for house when you retire, you better have one hell of a retirement income comeing in!
 
Swore I would never own a home but when rent on a 1 bedroom went higher than the mortgage on a three bedroom house, I felt it was something I had to do financially.
 
Mortgage paid years ago, but I still have to rent/taxed from/by the State, County and City.
I'll never have property FREE & CLEAR.
 
A contented renter. It would be nice to own my own place and have more space-which I would fill with more stuff. I have worked on my share of "fixer uppers" to know how much work is involved, if I have a maintenance I problem I place a service call. Not into gardening or landscaping. I have known-and know at present-too many people with underwater mortgages or have houses they can't sell.
 
Cool Home GA1911. I live in a small so called "shack". Can't complain though, keeps me warm and dry. Not worth much and as some have said, yes, it does for sure cost to upkeep. To me that's part of the fun. I just cannot imagine living in someone else's house. Did it for several years and ended up building a $250 8x8 shelter out of plywood one day after work on my moms back woods property prior to living in my current home. Lived there over a year, no power, water, potty. did have a small wood stove to cook on but in the winter my nightly water glass would freeze solid, I can take the cold. Had a few gal friends and parties up on that hill though. Lots of wild life did not like my presents though. OOPS! Now when the fed's or lawyers do a check on me when I get in trouble they'll now know where I was during that period and my old girl friends will know that they were not the only ones!!!
 
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Homes -- a great place to store your stuff and have a little privacy but often overrated. We own several (handy if you have 6 dogs as we do),
but I have been as happy or happier the times my residence was a cot in a tent in the middle of nowhere and everything I needed was in 2 duffel bags. I even lived in a stadium (LSU's Tiger Stadium actually has dorm rooms on the exterior, under the seating areas -- non-air-conditioned but with a fan, very comfortable.) Lived in a palace (a real, certified palace) in Iraq -- we used to say "See you around the palace"
as an end of day salutation (kind of an inside joke to us) -- only time in my life that I've been able to say that.
 
I've owned a couple of houses over the years. Bought them on contract from the owners, after I got into them found out why they wanted out from under them so cheap. Now, I don't mind working on my house, I just wish the owners had been a bit more forthcoming with some of the hidden problems that they had so I would have been a bit more prepared. As of the moment, one house was bulldozed by the city as an eyesore.(true fact there), another one I gave back to the owner so he could do what he wanted to with the money pit, the other as far as I know is still standing, I turned it over to the wife in the divorce as it's 6 1/2 hours away and I don't feel like messing with it anymore, plus she wanted it SO bad... it's just a shanty in a small Kansas town that's dying, if they haven't bulldozed it already they probably will.

When I moved to Missouri I was tired of home ownership, I'd rather pay more for someone else to have the headaches. I have a great landlady who will take care of any problem that I find, so no complaints there. That being said, when the wife gets her workmans comp suit settled, we will be heading back into owning a home of our own since I now have a wife that's worth a **** and knows which end of a hammer to use. Nothing fancy, we're looking at buying up 50-60 acres of forest so we can hunt and shoot as we want, probably just clear out just enough trees to get a mobile home in there and a nice shop for me to tinker in.
 
In my life span I have owned and sold 9 homes. When the ball & chain and myself moved back to Penns Wood in '84 we took the profits from our Montana home sell and paid cash for the house & remodeling of our current place. But, in todays market you couldn't pay me enough to buy another house.

With the way the housing market is now I would hard pressed to make much of a profit on this property as it seems to deceasing in value every year. This is an old 8 bedroom three story farm house on a fair amount of land and now that children are out of the nest and on their own this house is toooo big for our needs and we are only using the first floor of the house unless the kids and grand kids stop by for a stay. 2 years ago we put the house on the market for chuckles and giggles just to see what type of offers we would recieve (we would have sold to a reasonable offer)...Everyone that looked low balled the price offering about 45 to 50% of the value of this property.

We told everyone up front that the house was paid for and we didn't need the money..the only reason for the sale was that it was too big. We still own it and we decide it time for a smaller place it will either sell for it value or I have the house tore down and just pay taxes on undeveloped land. I refused to be ripped off.
 
3100 sq feet with basement plus 1500 sq foot shop sitting on 6 acres in the Ozark Mountains. Had a 30 year mortgage that we doubled up on and paid off in 10 years. Not having a monthly payment is a form of finacial freedom if you ask me.


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My worth is in myself, not what I "own". Just a thought...................(no offense to anyone that chooses to "own, or own big".)
 
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Think about it.
Do any of us really own anything?????? We start out as two incomplete cells-each contining 23 chromosonesthat somehow join and grow in an incredibly random cosmic accident and in the end-a breath of air blows away what is left of our decomposing corpses. In between we possess/use/sleep under/eat lots of stuff but what,if anything is actually ours that cannot be taken away on a whim by anyone or thing????

Doood ....

Oh wow, Man ...:cool:
 
My work history has been spotty at best. Drafter for a longtime but changed careers due to too many up and downs in architecture. But bad luck and bad timing; went to school got a degree in Physics - Clinton became president and all the defense jobs dried up; went back to school for a software programming degree - IP crazed went bust and dumped all those computer people on the market. Then got sick and had to go on disability. So, forever a renter.

The other reason is the cost of real estate here, where I want to live. Faulkner ranch would be appraised at around 2mil atleast. A three bedroom rambler would be appraised at 1/4 mil; even in this market.
 
I would say the government owns mine. If I don't pay the taxes, they take it. Hey buckeyechuck, my shingles cost me $5000.00 alone. I lucked out, we just had a hail storm and my 23 year old roof was replaced by insurance at a cost of $9000.00. I'm only talking 35 squares too.
 
How about those of us that own the house (mobile home) but rent the lot it sits on ?

Renter = Pay the man Shirley whichever man it is you're always giving your paper money to somoeone. I wouldn't mind living in a huge bus/camper and living on the sides of beaches in CA.

Peace Out~
 
another thing to consider in the own vs. rent argument is that not only do you have to cover all the landlords expenses and give him some profit, in many cases a landlord pays more taxes on the same property than a home owner would.

however, in some areas of California at least, you can't make home payments for what you can rent a place for. Its an odd situation that can't last forever.
 
I would say the government owns mine. If I don't pay the taxes, they take it. Hey buckeyechuck, my shingles cost me $5000.00 alone. I lucked out, we just had a hail storm and my 23 year old roof was replaced by insurance at a cost of $9000.00. I'm only talking 35 squares too.

And this is why my homeowner's insurance has skyrocketed in the 8.5 years I've owned my current residence. I'm subsidizing everybody else's roof and they all cost a *lot* more than mine because they are all larger and/or more complex.

At least your roof lasted 23 years. The roof on my house was built to minimum code (like everything else in the house) and the pitch is low enough that the roof just won't last past 20 years.
 
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