keith44spl
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I no longer wrestle, box or bar brawl..............
But, I can still defend myself, if need be.
But, I can still defend myself, if need be.
Do you train for hand-to-hand?
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When I had to start taking cumadin many years ago, the doctor told
me I couldn't get into any more knife fights. So, just to be on the
safe side, I try to not get into any kind of fights anymore. At 82 I've
been there & done that.
me I couldn't get into any more knife fights. So, just to be on the
safe side, I try to not get into any kind of fights anymore. At 82 I've
been there & done that.
Yes, I'm over 55.
Yes, I've trained in "hand-2-hand", which was used to some extent daily until I completely retired from cop-work 2 months ago.
Now, training mainly consists of staying in shape (weight control; regular cardio exercise program).
Luckily, my experience goes back ~40 years, however, in karate and kung-fu. I don't have advice for someone just starting out other than to just get what training you can or desire. Otherwise, consider some other non-lethal weapons too, such as, pepper-spray or some form of impact weapons (which can still benefit from actual training, however).
I still shoot regularly, often several times per week. All this makes for a busy-enough retired life.
Yes, I've trained in "hand-2-hand", which was used to some extent daily until I completely retired from cop-work 2 months ago.
Now, training mainly consists of staying in shape (weight control; regular cardio exercise program).
Luckily, my experience goes back ~40 years, however, in karate and kung-fu. I don't have advice for someone just starting out other than to just get what training you can or desire. Otherwise, consider some other non-lethal weapons too, such as, pepper-spray or some form of impact weapons (which can still benefit from actual training, however).
I still shoot regularly, often several times per week. All this makes for a busy-enough retired life.
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shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
This thread is over three years old. When it was still pretty new I posted that my age and physical limitations made running or fighting impossible (running) or impractical (fighting).
Now in a few weeks I'll be eighty. In addition to stage 3 COPD (no, I stopped smoking twenty-five years ago) I've developed three kinds of heart trouble. I have to use a four-wheel walker; my cane is no longer sufficient.
I'm pretty sure my situation is not unique on this forum.
I get out far less these days. I never go to bars, or knowingly visit high crime areas. But wherever I go, I am easy pickings for the kind of lowlife piece of excrement who likes to rob and/or beat the goo out of frail geezers.
Even more than when I posted here three and a half years ago, if I'm attacked my priority will be positioning myself so that my gun can be deployed. I pray it won't be necessary, but if it is that will be Job One.
I'm not ready to check out or be turned into a turnip. Not just yet. I'm afraid I would miss something interesting.
Now in a few weeks I'll be eighty. In addition to stage 3 COPD (no, I stopped smoking twenty-five years ago) I've developed three kinds of heart trouble. I have to use a four-wheel walker; my cane is no longer sufficient.
I'm pretty sure my situation is not unique on this forum.
I get out far less these days. I never go to bars, or knowingly visit high crime areas. But wherever I go, I am easy pickings for the kind of lowlife piece of excrement who likes to rob and/or beat the goo out of frail geezers.
Even more than when I posted here three and a half years ago, if I'm attacked my priority will be positioning myself so that my gun can be deployed. I pray it won't be necessary, but if it is that will be Job One.
I'm not ready to check out or be turned into a turnip. Not just yet. I'm afraid I would miss something interesting.
Rastoff
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No, not debating the definition. The point is, if it's a sucker punch, you won't see it coming. Therefore, you won't be able to evade or parry.
Rastoff
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I think this is key.
You are not alone, but neither are you defenseless. I don't think anyone on this thread expects anyone to be Jackie Chan. At least I don't. My philosophy is that you need to put some thought into empty hand defense even if it's only to position yourself to get your gun out.
It's really about awareness and proximity. If I can keep the bad guy at a decent distance, I greatly increase my chances of winning the altercation. If I can't keep that distance, how can I make some distance?
The point here is, just having the gun isn't enough. You have to be able to deploy it when it's needed. The fact that a person can stand and move around tells me that they can do something. It might not be pretty, but there is always something.
Actually you are. Textbook definition of a sucker punch is an unexpected punch or strike. That in no way indicates to me that it cannot be defended. Irregardless of what it means to you, most schools do teach sucker punch defense and usually differentiate between it coming from the front, side or from the rear. Debating semantics doesn't have any value.
otasan56
US Veteran
I am a 61-year-old handicapped USN Vietnam veteran. My Glock 17 is loaded and ready for all altercations range 0-100 yards. My numb right leg makes me vulnerable to hand-to-hand stuff, so I'll just shoot him/her.
Whitwabit
US Veteran
many of us that have been hurt in a work place accident caused in my case by a negligent employee's unsafe act don't have a choice ..
It's a hell of a lot better then being dead !!!!!@
Whitwabit
US Veteran
to answer the question .. many of us older people ( I'm 67) have more ailments that limit mobility and ability to fight off an aggressor in a hand to hand combat situation ..
COPD a lump together of all breathing ailments with no cure affects 10 million of us with 70% over the age of 45 .. many don't realize how bad it is effecting them till it reaches stage II of III stages and they are in their late 50's and older .. would limit any one with it from running away .. many with COPD are on O2 and lug around a tank or O2 concentrator ..
many of us have ailments that they are unaware of .. such as 4-6% of the male population that has smoked have abdominal aorta aneurysms of various size that if they were hit in the abdomen could rupture .. many families don't find out their loved one has one till it is the cause of death !! I've lost 2 friends with one in the past 10 years .. one while surgeon's were trying to repair it .. Rupture of the AAA occurs in 1–3% of men aged 65 or more, the mortality is 70–95%
High blood pressure and other heart ailments can make it harder for the older population to do any kind of exertion that would raise their heart rate .. pace makers, stints and other electronic devices are implanted for heart conditions that would have killed you just 15 to 20 years ago !!
The list of ailments the elderly have is quite long .. I could go on but won't .
An instructor I took a class from told an elderly man that in some cases it might be best to fight from your back lying on the ground fending off an attack with your feet till you could draw your weapon .. instead of trying to run and being attacked from behind or standing taking punches to the head or body !!
COPD a lump together of all breathing ailments with no cure affects 10 million of us with 70% over the age of 45 .. many don't realize how bad it is effecting them till it reaches stage II of III stages and they are in their late 50's and older .. would limit any one with it from running away .. many with COPD are on O2 and lug around a tank or O2 concentrator ..
many of us have ailments that they are unaware of .. such as 4-6% of the male population that has smoked have abdominal aorta aneurysms of various size that if they were hit in the abdomen could rupture .. many families don't find out their loved one has one till it is the cause of death !! I've lost 2 friends with one in the past 10 years .. one while surgeon's were trying to repair it .. Rupture of the AAA occurs in 1–3% of men aged 65 or more, the mortality is 70–95%
High blood pressure and other heart ailments can make it harder for the older population to do any kind of exertion that would raise their heart rate .. pace makers, stints and other electronic devices are implanted for heart conditions that would have killed you just 15 to 20 years ago !!
The list of ailments the elderly have is quite long .. I could go on but won't .
An instructor I took a class from told an elderly man that in some cases it might be best to fight from your back lying on the ground fending off an attack with your feet till you could draw your weapon .. instead of trying to run and being attacked from behind or standing taking punches to the head or body !!
Rastoff
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This is, and always has been, my point. There is always something you can do.
People make claims that they cannot fight. That simply isn't true. What Whitwabit said is true, there are plenty of people who can't afford to raise their heart beat or stress level on a regular basis. Even so, that doesn't mean they are completely helpless.
What it does mean, is that they need to learn alternate means of defense. Laying on your back and kicking could be one such method. Since I don't know what ailments everyone reading this has, I can't suggest methodologies. It would take too long. But, you can find a self-defense instructor in your area and work with them. Any self-defense instructor worth their salt should be able to guide you in alternate methods.
Protected One
Member
May I presume you have that 4th Dan and are now working toward "Master" level? (5th Dan)
johnt671
US Veteran
I'm too old to run (not that I would), lost some speed due to bad knees and back to mess with hand to hand. Plus I don't want to get all sweaty. That's why I bought a hand gun.
sigp220.45
US Veteran
When I was a military cop I only had two moves when my charm failed. Move One was to hit the offending party in the face or forehead with my radio. Those of you who remember the old Motorola brick can imagine the effect when it was swung lustily enough. I would then gracefully transition to Move Two, which was a rear chokehold, also applied with vigor. If I could maneuver myself behind him first, I would just go directly to Move Two.
These two moves were viewed with favor at the time. I once was enthusiastically choking out a hardheaded young brawler at the entrance to the NCO Club when my soon-to-be bride walked out with some friends from her office. Hi, honey, said she. Hi, dear, said I. Grrrrrkkkkkllllllkkaakkk, said my new friend. She stills laughs about it.
Sadly, such antics are frowned upon today. Radios are tiny things, and necks have grown weak and collapsible. In later years we just resorted to the law enforcement dog pile, which is quite the bonding experience but led to me getting hurt more often by flailing arms, legs, and handcuffs.
Then tasers brought the fun back, but I was never issued one.
Now as a semi-retired gentleman of leisure I use common sense, my considerable charm, foul language, and a gun, in that order. (Though I am thinking about carrying around an old Motorola, just for old time's sake.)
These two moves were viewed with favor at the time. I once was enthusiastically choking out a hardheaded young brawler at the entrance to the NCO Club when my soon-to-be bride walked out with some friends from her office. Hi, honey, said she. Hi, dear, said I. Grrrrrkkkkkllllllkkaakkk, said my new friend. She stills laughs about it.
Sadly, such antics are frowned upon today. Radios are tiny things, and necks have grown weak and collapsible. In later years we just resorted to the law enforcement dog pile, which is quite the bonding experience but led to me getting hurt more often by flailing arms, legs, and handcuffs.
Then tasers brought the fun back, but I was never issued one.
Now as a semi-retired gentleman of leisure I use common sense, my considerable charm, foul language, and a gun, in that order. (Though I am thinking about carrying around an old Motorola, just for old time's sake.)
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otasan56
US Veteran
I am going out to the range now to practice with my S&W 629 with my WC bowling-pin loads. The next match is on Sat 28Oct2017.
Reminds me...
...of my crime fighting career.
One 'dogpile' stands out, for certain. We were fighting a BIG guy on PCP or some other drug that made him immune to pain (at the moment) and quite impossible to control. Eventually there was a moment when it was likely we could get the cuffs on him and someone said: 'Cuff him' as all of us reached for ours. 'Course he was thereupon loose...and the battle started anew. 
It ended relatively well for all involved...including the BIG dude. Lotsa uniform items needed replacement, though.
For those not in LE or fighters, you cannot 'win' if you can't hurt your adversary. And LE is a contact sport, absolutely.
Be safe.
...of my crime fighting career.
One 'dogpile' stands out, for certain. We were fighting a BIG guy on PCP or some other drug that made him immune to pain (at the moment) and quite impossible to control. Eventually there was a moment when it was likely we could get the cuffs on him and someone said: 'Cuff him' as all of us reached for ours. 'Course he was thereupon loose...and the battle started anew. It ended relatively well for all involved...including the BIG dude. Lotsa uniform items needed replacement, though.
For those not in LE or fighters, you cannot 'win' if you can't hurt your adversary. And LE is a contact sport, absolutely.
Be safe.
AJ
US Veteran
I know what to do. I taught it at one time. Heck even put it to practice a time or two........However, those days were 35 - 40 years ago. Nowadays I steer clear of those areas. If I have to use it, I guess I will rely on "muscle memory" and pray for the best.
This is a 6 yr old thread. But entertaining and relevant.
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Pushing ten years, actually. Stay safe out there.
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